I'm not sure if anyone has suggested this about lulzsec before.
38 2011-06-14 by militant
lulzsec seems to have very good luck naming targets and hitting them clearly and cleanly. I almost am drawn to wonder if they are not what they claim, and are in fact intended as an excuse for internet crackdowns from the start. Would anyone be surprised these days?
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25 [deleted] 2011-06-14
I was wondering the same thing myself. It stinks of False Flag.
8 militant 2011-06-14
Always easiest to just manufacture things such as these. Army or other electronic warfare and so on, tests etc. They are openly naming targets before hitting them, and not missing any yet. I know of at least one case of it and am somewhat aware of another instance or two.
3 Magzy 2011-06-14
Everyone at LulzSec is either an angsty teen or a manchild who kept too much interest in Anonymous without going into the Scientology protests. Their 1337 hacking kit most likely involves Tor, LOIC and a green-on-black reskin for command line. If you ever step into their IRC (irc.lulzco.org #lulzsec) you will see what is meant by this.
16 [deleted] 2011-06-14
I've been saying the same thing for a few days now. Anon's are supposedly being busted everywhere while Lulzsec do some actual damage and are still merrily hacking away? Oh, and Anon challenges NATO, while Anon's 'president' (huh? president?) is arrested in Spain..Uh-huh...
Internet crackdown incoming..
4 doobiedowner 2011-06-14
Yesterday, they opened an apparently-untraceable phone switchboard, and invited incoming calls. 614-LULZ-SEC
4 [deleted] 2011-06-14
Yeah, I know, I almost called it though gmail, then realized that'd be a bad idea, them getting my real name or whatnot lol. I wouldn't have had anything nice to say.
12 hanumanCT 2011-06-14
It's a little too coincidental that the Cyber Security and American Cyber Competitiveness Act of 2011 is going to be voted on pretty soon.
7 Magzy 2011-06-14
hmm just like the patriot act after 9-11
11 Magzy 2011-06-14
Amazing that @LulzSec can run a busy switchboard, a Twitter feed on PCB, hack governments, companies gaming websites and still evade the consequences 24/7. They are just too good and too well organised. They even use all the memes so the /b/ anon DNA is in there to make it seem legit.
Either they are:
1) A paramilitary funded FBI /CIA false flag to bring anarchy and thus, an end to the free internet by making citizens demand internet controls, filters, snooping, governance etc
OR
2) They're a just doin' it for tah LuLZ
Either way, both prospects are chilling...
moar on lulzsec
2 militant 2011-06-14
I was thinking it's a practice run by some electronic warfare unit or program cloaked as lulz .. and a damn good excuse for protect ip etc.
10 calzenn 2011-06-14
Well lets see how this goes:
Priceless... watch, up next will be something like Facebook and some other top level sites, a bank that loses all their money... something big and the Feds will be right on it with a convenient control mechanism, which - thank god! and just in time to stop the bad hackers...
0 lurchpop 2011-06-14
then they let the machines take over
8 Hypo_Luxa 2011-06-14
i dont know why these ppl are wasting their time and talent going after dumb shit when they could obviously be fucking up monsanto and the koch bro's shit.
6 pigferret 2011-06-14
Gov-op to discredit anon and garner public support for "OMG STOP THE INTERNET!"
5 deerB 2011-06-14
many people have been saying this. if it isn't this, i've been thinking the advertisements are more of a cloaking device so that everyone's attention is diverted while they go after their real targets.
5 alla-akbar 2011-06-14
this guy: http://endthelie.com/2011/06/13/latest-target-in-flurry-of-lulzsec-attacks-senate-gov/
said that already lol
5 [deleted] 2011-06-14
Very good question indeed. I'm not so sure that getting themselves labeled war criminals/traitors/cyber-terrorrists is good for the overall acquisition of lulz, seems like that would a bit of a lulzblocker, actually.
8 redditarded42 2011-06-14
being arrested and investigated by the FBI tends to infringe on the lulz
5 nubanx 2011-06-14
It is not impossible, but unlikely. Prolific hacking groups have been around for decades, and many have sat on large quantities of "booty".
The amount of vulnerabilities and exploitable platforms have risen to epic levels.
Yes, it could be a nationally backed syndicate, yes there could be mafia ties and all that organized cybercrime chewy nuget filling. but in the end, it's apparently all for the lulz.
3 militant 2011-06-14
I think it's highly likely it's for the lulz indeed. I know the groups and activities you're talking about. But it's very much worth it to at least consider and look into other possibilities.
5 somewhatenlightened 2011-06-14
After this latest round of 'lulz' (attacking minecraft.net for example) I think it is more and more obvious that they are a DoD (or some other official acronym) initiative to infuriate large sections of the internet and usher in more regulated internet for the great unwashed. That will also be more monetized too.
Whether it will work out is up for debate.
1 Magzy 2011-06-14
won't work. /b is currently on the hunt to expose them
5 killzy707 2011-06-14
Exactly my thoughts. Glad someone said it.
5 The_Sumerian 2011-06-14
"We will lead all opposition to us"
First you develop what you need to be put into place and then you implement a problem to justify the predetermined solution.
Order out of Chaos.... the americans can never work it out so it is unstoppable
4 TescoFinestThrowaway 2011-06-14
To be honest, I've worked in InfoSec for about six years now and I have no trouble in believing that they can remain truly anonymous for this long - the technology certainly exists, and political implications mean that it isn't always easy getting the international jurisdiction required in order to catch such people.
This was posted in /r/netsec about a week ago, and I make no claims for its authenticity but it's interesting enough: http://pastebin.com/RBjzDQbS
This shows an international organisation (one of them, interestingly, works for 2600.com which was actually assaulted by LulzSec due to a disagreement over IRC I think) attacking international targets used by international users. If this is a false flag then obviously a truly global crackdown is expected, and if you go down the conspiracy route then attacking popular services such as Minecraft and EVE Online, as well as leaking personal details, is just going to rile people up and demand that action is taken. Hardened conspiracy theorists might call this a "psy-op". As for the guy in Delaware, if the listing is authentic then why haven't the FBI picked him up?
They're very open and brazen despite being alarmingly successful which is probably why some people (myself included) are asking very serious questions about who is really behind it and why. If it is a false flag "psy-op" or whatever, then you can bet your bottom dollar that LulzSec will be thrown to the dogs once they've outlived their usefulness, given crazy prison sentences and the whole thing is swept under the rug for another day.
2 ILikeCandy 2011-06-14
Lamo? Really? That is very interesting.
2 [deleted] 2011-06-14
He's part of some shit, that's for sure. Ever seen the interviews where the guy looks totally drugged out of his mind? Weird stuff. You see a video of him at a conference, speaking quite eloquently, then an interview of him at his home where he looks fucking lobotomized. Might just be owned by someone.
4 quantifiably_godlike 2011-06-14
Cyber False-Flagists
3 Spooge 2011-06-14
I'm very skeptical about the recent hack on the so called Black and Berg Cybersecurity website. I mean, the page still hasn't changed? It seems too obvious that no ones going to 'own up' for a measly $10k, leaving me to believe that its another psuedo-hack.
2 [deleted] 2011-06-14
Its a double false flag : this post is lulzsec sowing the idea that lulzsec is benefiting from government aid.
Well played, lulzsec, well played.
0 tankjr 2011-06-14
MOTHER OF GOD
0 CuntBagFaceJerk 2011-06-14
Conspiraception?
1 [deleted] 2011-06-14
AMERICAS NEXT BOGEYMAN
THE INTERNET
1 Magzy 2011-06-14
interesting that the MSM are painting a divide and conquer "Lulzsec v Anonymous" picture in this article: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/security/there-is-no-security-hackers-take-down-cia-site-20110616-1g4om.html
2 militant 2011-06-14
I was thinking it's a practice run by some electronic warfare unit or program cloaked as lulz .. and a damn good excuse for protect ip etc.