that link is stretching things dwight jones killed those people over a divorce. 2 victims where psychiatrists, 2 were paralegals at the law office his ex wife used for the divorce and the other 2 were personal friends or acquaintances of his.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/05/us/arizona-killings-investigation/index.html

Thanks CNN..

the scramble on the other side is real, its like watching tectonic plates shift

i think what is going on in arizona is such a huge mess that it is possible for two giant catastrophes to happen at the same time.

this dwight guy was pissed because his kids were taken away from him for no reason and under strange circumstances, and we know this is a problem already in arizona. there were large protests last year by parents, and multiple scandals with no change from the department besides in name.

his videos were censored or otherwise taken down, an elderly couple with an odd background with no connection to him were just kindof assigned to him as the murderer without explanation.

do you know how the VOP stumbled on the camp in cemex? i am going to keep bringing this question up. Because someone had to go in that cemex property through the gate unless there was a hole in that fence along the highway.

I read there was a psychologist, 2 paralegals, this elderly couple, and someone else maybe the lawyer. Quite a spree.

Quite a strange tale, I want to know the whooooole thing.

Someone give me more links....

Incredible, thank for doing this!

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1671298

Okay, so, the guy who predicted this says that he saw Gifford's bullet wounds first hand.

Lends credibility or no?

Yes. That thread is from 2 years ago. It was a prediction of this occurrence.

Gabrielle Gifford

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Tucson_shooting

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The connection is that the poster predicted this over a year ago, and claims to have been insight to deal with a politicians gunshot wounds.

Implies that they are possibly LEO, political affiliate, or maybe just a bystander or emt.

Could also imply that a larper planned to create this situation in 2017, and told a follow up lie to enhance credibility.

1.2 years ago*, but still, the point is just as valid. That's seriously wild

Another anon from that thread:

"Tucson Randolph Golf Course is a vile place too. The First Tee operates there at night and has several statutes on the grounds that indicate children lover, pyramids, and underground screams are heard. If you look at a map of the Randolph golf course, you will no doubt see that the entire community recreational area is packed with secluded structures with entrances to tunnels underneath. The Arroyo Chico Watershed project is a crucial area of investigation and maybe a transport service or link to more interesting leads"

voices from underground? more about tunnels here.

1 1/2

that link has a lot yikes, the golf course? voices? just commented about it then scrolling down, the link to the band at tempe taverne named royal blood line....gosh i was really hoping i would find some wholesome rock and roll for the love of pete sampras

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BN3J1KmCEAMylR8.jpg

Oh wow. I did not dig that deep into the links. Voat pizza gate threads get kinda bizarre when people start reaching.

The prediction and the statement about Gifford were as far as I was willing to go.

Best to look before you leap there.

A medical examiner says it's an adult skull.

Sex slaves are incredibly valuable, so anyone in human trafficking wants to keep victims alive so they can be pimped and sold repeatedly. That said, they do abuse and take their victims as part of breaking them down psychologically.

http://pimasheriff.piopost.com/view/human-remains-located-in-the-desert?s=MzU2Mgt

Bodies decompose, wild animals move body parts around. Or it could be something sinister. I'm just sharing what the news reported as an FYI.

Could have been a border crosser who didn't make it. Could have been a human trafficking victim who was offed. Could have been an American murder victim. Doubt TPD will run a DNA analysis.

this episode of RadioLab interviews a scentist that studied why bodies disappear in the desert so fast. He got two pig cadavers, dressed them in human clothes and placed them in positions that dead bodies tend to end up in according to interviews with illegals that crossed the border.

Either a man would become ill, sit in some shade and die. Or if someone died in a group the others would bury him under rocks. The scientist came back a few days later and the bodies were gone and only from trial cam footage was the scientist able to figure out what happened to the carcasses.

Long story short vultures will carry bones away and ants will devour bones and bring them back to their nest. so it is possible the mandible and the teeth could have been removed by the local fauna. also he learned if you bury a body under rocks in the desert the rocks will help cook the body and it will disappear faster then a body left under a tree.

Not sure if that is the case with this skull located today.

The mandible is only held on to the skull because of ligaments. The ligaments are just connective tissue, and decay much much faster than bone. In skeletal remains like these there's nothing to hold bones together.

Wild animals do more than just move parts around, they've been known to bury something as large as a calf: (Watch a badger bury a calf carcass.)[ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsHiOwR7cfc ] After seeing this recently, I can't help but wonder how many badgers have been unwitting accomplices to murder.

This is usually done to prevent medical record ID of the victim/dead person.

Do you have any source on this? I've never heard that before. Mandibles are connected to the skull in only two relatively weak places, it's very common that skulls are found without them.

It could be a young teenager.. I had all my adult teeth before I turned 12

The medical examiner is likely looking at more factors than just the teeth.

Fwiw I'm just sharing what the news reported. I supported investigating the camp and am upset it was bulldozed.

A likely story... 🤓🤓

That was quick...

This is a drug running route through the desert. Finding skulls is not anything new, whatsoever.

Guessing they'll try and make it mockable or "unpopular" to discuss it in the coming week, like with most others.

They are already trying. I'm trying to make heads or tails of the argument. It goes like "this is just the regular children that get shuffled through and die in regular, normal camps" while it is also, according to Chelsea Clinton. "Pizzagate 2.0". Where does Chelsea think these kids end up? What does she think happens to them? How does she think they can dial the fucking number she tweeted out?

even if it wasn't a child holding cell, that underground space, it is obviously a migrant camp and evidence of the horrific conditions and systemic nature of illegal immigration into the united states.

someone was in that cell and wasn't having a good day, chelsea is remarkably callous wouldn't you say?

Look at this article I found:

They're trying to make us seem like lunatics

But there was never any evidence that the claim was anything more than the product of an overactive imagination and online conspiracists. Certainly there were no victims. And when Tucson police came to investigate, they said they found no sign of trafficking in children for sex or anything other than a homeless camp.

We need to prove them wrong. We need to only stick to provable facts that we can easily search and pull up. Or else they're going to keep spearheading that all this is fake.

The update on the child skull is...that it's an adult skull. That's what they said.

The Pima County Medical Examiner determined late Thursday that it was an adult skull. It turns out Veterans on Patrol found the skull while searching the desert west of Marana, about 20 miles northwest of the homeless camp where they claimed to have found a child sex-trafficking site. It’s in a migrant- and drug-smuggling corridor where dozens of sets of remains have been found over recent years, among the 2,800 that have been found in Southern Arizona since migrant deaths accelerated after 2000.

Look, they've been looking at our sub:

They are convinced they’ve found what conspiracists have been looking for since 2016 — a place where they can imagine children are trafficked for sex on behalf of villainous global elites, like “the Rothschilds.” And, yes, the fact that our mayor has a last name of Rothschild is deemed somehow significant to the conspiracists.

https://tucson.com/news/local/steller-column-sex-trafficking-conspiracy-catches-fire-despite-lack-of/article_b6b6c798-22a3-5ccb-9fb2-99cdccfc73d9.html#tncms-source=infinity-scroll-summary-siderail-latest

We need to be careful. They are looking at us with a magnifying glass. If any of us make mistakes or show inaccurate information, call us out on it.

I wish someone would pay for people to come and check the ground for bodies: https://www.gp-radar.com/

Ground penetrating radar. Would make it much easier to find bodies.

You're welcome. I'm glad to help. Check out my other comments. I recently discovered some information on some small businesses. Now I'm not saying these businesses I selected do this. But I am saying it has been often discussed that small businesses are often used for money laundering.

A common way you can use to legalize illicit funds is by setting up various businesses that exist for the sole purpose of blending dirty money with legitimate incomes. While the companies set up are legal in nature and can operate like ordinary businesses, they can overstate their income, which comes from over-invoicing to allow inflow of ‘dirty’ money. Businesses that are on cash basis like nightclubs makes the inflow even more difficult to trace.

Shell companies that are set up without any significant assets or operations can also be used for money laundering. These companies simply create fake transactions similar to normal businesses to allow inflow of cash. The funds can be cycled in a few more companies before reaching your pocket as legitimate cash.

https://www.quora.com/What-are-common-front-businesses-for-money-laundering

GPR is pretty difficult to work with, especially dismounted in the brush like those guys are. Anything 'man portable' isn't going to have meaningful resolution beyond a few inches, and even then, GPR isn't something you just pick up and use. You need to know what you're looking for and what you're looking at which requires a not insignificant amount of time and effort.

The equipment is expensive, the training is expensive, thus the labor is expensive. Oh, and you're looking for tunnels? In a region littered with abandon mines? Good luck.

Did Tim Stellar literally just cut and paste his whole column from canned comments from this forum?

Rofl. Probably.

And one of those "canned commenters" was bitching at me for linking something of poor journalistic quality when my link was intended to document an event, lmao. Wow.

They'll do anything to discredit. along with spreading misinformation. That's just part of the game.

It sickens me that many people don't want to believe that child sex trafficking is real. It's a whole other world out there and it is in fact real

There's a difference between believing child sex trafficking exists and believing in that this place was a child sex trafficking camp.

good points

btw did you see this?

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/116357459/#q116360099

im trying to find the comment where i clicked it but i can't lol

so glad to see this getting a proper discussion, i do soundly believe that the VOP are going to already be infiltrated and steered by mucky mucks, however my gut says there are some good guys there and that this isn't something the mucky mucks would ever choose to start up, as for them, it's actually an internal gang war.

there are a force in the usa at work that wants to make it such that the oligarchy is a permanent aristocracy that is itself held to a different law that is actually a lot like no law at all.

so they build a system inside the system, a little like tor actually. in such a big system there are so many nooks and crannies.

but the problem is, the vast vast majority of people will not stand to be ruled by people who live in tall buildings and require a steady supply of children.

and so we are at somewhat of an impasse,

pizzagate and tuscon(and for Ms Calderon, Devani, and for Lori Handrahan, her own daughter) are the spectacles that arise out of this impasse.

The skeptical were right about JFK and 9/11 all along, that's the thing here, the people who believe pizzagate are the skeptical people so the national media is flipping the script, and now they sound like, 'c'mon, why would a guy named rothchild, the clinton global initiative, an israeli concrete subsidiary, the richest man in the world who happens to be named Carlos Slim, a school and casino with long-known pedorast symbology, and human traffickers with a makeshift child prison, have ANYTHING to do with each other?'

This is all toooootalllly norrrrrrmaaaaal stuff. (roflmao)

Just last friday bill maher mocked pizzagate by summarizing it completely, absolutely, incorrect. They cannot talk about pizzagate on the teevee or on wikipedia except that they mutilate the factual narrative and completely ignore 99% of the actual relevant information.

This all only makes it more suspicious. I know there is something going on, I'm done being trusting and giving the benefit of the doubt.

Done.

You know some shit seriously is going wrong when the first thing you google about this is a snopes article on why this all is guaranteed to be false.

Because high ranking politicians are involved. Simple as that.

I find it strange that this story has gotten so big. This is 100% not organic. And when you look at the Russian bot farm agenda the past couple of days, you can def see why it has gotten so big.

there were a lot of people on the fence about pgate but who are a little suspicious, this is dry tinder for anything that confirms it.

those symbols on the school and casino didn't go up yesterday, those have been there for a long while

It's not strange at all that Snopes jumped on this and dismissed it. Snopes is propaganda garbage. They started off as an interesting site that delved into urban myths, but around the 2016 elections, it quickly became focused on shaping the narrative around political "conspiracy theories". They are relying on their credibility established from the past to protect establishment politicians and their dirty dealings.

and even they can't find a reason to say that the charges against trump from the 13 year old who was raped by him and epstein in quick succession, are wrong or false.

that is a real accusation from a real person who was threatened with murder if she didn't drop the case, her lawyers confirm

trump is himself an abuser of underage at least women, don't expect any support from up there, rather expect him to use it to go after the clintons and other enemies.

don't be stooges, we are working for the children, who those of us who have done the thinking on this know are in danger as we speak.

i am looking any information on the tunnels under the cemex cite and if any entrances have been found, or if there is a known drainage sewer between cemex and the diamond casino.

Any word on that? good job good post btw keep it up

It can be deemed false because people who actually have knowledge know what this site really was. The problem is people really want this to be a pedofile site and they're not going to drop it until there satisfied. The only thing is they will never be satisfied

i believe but cannot prove that sometimes they use names with 'isis' in them to be able to loop people onto lists/investigations and make a digital case that someone is a tewwowist

so yeah, immediately blocking, although there is no reasoning with palantir and if it ever were to lead to a case no judge or lawyer is going to understand reddit username tech details.

so yes, obvious shill trying to say nothing to see, which in my book means, clearly: We are onto the truth

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Thats not strange at all. Snopes writes their stories with search engines in mind, so it guarantees when you type in certain keywords it gives their story as the top result.

That's really clutching at straws.

http://www.humaneborders.info/app/map.asp

you can use this map to see where other bodies have been discovered in southern arizona. Pick a year before you search, seeing all the results is depressing.

this isn't as helpful as it could be

what we have is one stop on the trip, what happens is the people are driven in from the desert to this location, sometimes with children

so if we look for the deaths of females everywhere between this location and the mexican border, give or take 20 degrees in either direction, we are going to find the path. if they are bringing children, they are coming with women, it won't be a bunch of bros and just kids.

and sometimes those women won't make it, and so anyone actually investeigating this would search for female bodies found in that general vicinity.

strava is our friend...

but this site you have to search for people by name, it didn't accept * as a wildcard, am i doing it wrong? can you find the list of female deaths in the last 5 years in that corridor?

This whole thing reminds me of True Detective

they need UNARMED boots on the ground

only veterans who can handle weapons

In the same paragraph.

Lol

WE SHOULD DONATE GO PROS AND LIVE STREAM THIS!!!

here is a video of the SEAL that showed up on Tuesday from V4CR that inspected the site. He has some valuable first hand information.

Thanks for sharing the vid, he gave a lot of important info and seems to be a pretty level headed observer

Here's an article and video about this guy, Navy Seal Team Six member Craig "Sawman" Sawyer, from March 2018.

KGUN9 Local former Navy Seal's mission to help eradicate sex slavery

After watching this, IMO he does seem to have a lot of knowledge about child sex trafficking, so this lends credibility to his assessment.

And in this video he discusses his team's assessment of the camp further after hours assessing it along with a former Navy Seal colleague and a former CIA member / "federal criminal investigator." They also had a film crew so it seems there should be better footage somewhere. He says they can't say for sure but the camp has all the signs of a waypoint on a human trafficking route.

KGUN

1. Adult skull. Found in an area were literally thousands of migrants have died.

2. Nowhere near the camp.

3. The idiot larpers actually kicked it around before taking pictures.

This is even dumber than pizzagate at this point.

Man. Lol. Why do people like you spend so much time in a conspiracy sub. Lol.

It’s their job?

The Pima County Medical Examiner determined late Thursday that it was an adult skull. It turns out Veterans on Patrol found the skull while searching the desert west of Marana, about 20 miles northwest of the homeless camp where they claimed to have found a child sex-trafficking site.

https://tucson.com/news/local/steller-column-sex-trafficking-conspiracy-catches-fire-despite-lack-of/article_b6b6c798-22a3-5ccb-9fb2-99cdccfc73d9.html

The medical examiner was able to determine it was the skull of an adult.

https://arizonadailyindependent.com/2018/06/07/human-remains-located-in-pima-county-desert/

Adults don't have teeth that haven't yet erupted through the gum. This is a child's skull.

See the tooth in this picture?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfI2mQdVMAAbZbM.jpg

It's on the lefthand side. That's a child's skull.

Medical examiner is the easiest post to shill-up.

Exactly, “adult”.

Yeah, to the f'n' pedos.

Ok, I didn't think adult skulls were smaller than a water bottle.

Boy all the media “nothing to see here” is awfully reassuring don’t you think? I’m just going to go play video games since everything is all under control.

Find it interesting that yesterday people were commenting how the straps were clearly hammock straps. Hahah wtf??? Couldn't mislead people anymore with such a ridiculous statement.

Several posts related to this story have been heavily down voted. People were passing on their opinions as facts. That is the worst with me. Hate that.

you'd have to find where there was a half stack and then camp it out, see who took them, follow those people, see what they were up to

i dont want to give anybody any ideas though....

wow

the motherlode

people who refuse to see this are really just refusing to think.

nxivm is cafritz and guess who is the number one funder of James Alefantis's (rothchild), cafritz.

Snopes won't even touch the alefantis rothchild claim, i wonder what they are going to say about this mayor now? does anyone have links on this guys background? this great mayor?

i would post the alefantis dox but i think that is bannable now? just lookf or them they are all over the place.

Wow, WTF!? Who did this and why? Someone quickly bring me up to speed please.

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I'm incredibly confused as to where the whole 'child sex camp' thing comes from. What exactly is the evidence for that over it just being a camp where homeless people live?

The person who built the camp has already come forward and was interviewed by the feds. It's not a child sex camp - it doesn't even look like one.

im not homeless anymore...I left this camp last nov,..// Someone had attacked me in this camp (tried couldn't find me I was hidden in the bottle,,I had the bottle just looking lika ton of piled branches...you couldn't see it ) they moved into the camp, their camp ( we had been sort of friendly previous I told them I was leaving, ect...) // The guys shooting guns...shoot guns every day....they are in a mining pit firing in to the cliff wall....safely. /// There were three "septic tanks on the site......one was out of the sun and pristeen ,it was by the tower..at night I rolled it to where ...I buried it its bullet proof ok ...all the shit I buried it with. .logs steel junk ect.....people bring anything like plastic surface into a camp ( I didn't have any stuff around, because, you don't under stand, people can see that when their scavenging, ....Its not good to have other people knowing where your camp is, ..they are drunks and crack addicts, people wont leave your camp....you don't know...anyway the mats , table tops sometimes are childrens effects ..they're light enough to carry...all that shit's from the dumpsters behind little Ceasers.....I have photos of myself in the bottle { septic tank}....0n my Facebook...I have to defend this........

Comment from OP of this video

I mean I know that, I'm more curious of where the accusation even starts. Why do they think it was a sex camp?

Childrens effects were found there, like barbie dolls which are almost identical to what the OP of that video is holding. OP is obviously a really weird dude so it's easy to believe they built the camp and kept all the weird junk there.

Your entire post stands in direct contradiction to the people in this video who claim to have built it 3 weeks ago.

https://youtu.be/Jaw7RBxabkQ

That's really strange, the plot thickens.

So this is the third or fourth person to speak out about it being "their" camp LMAO. It's my camp actually you guys can stop now

That first camo just literally looks like a homeless camp. Do you think that there's just not any homeless kids traveling with their homeless parents? The concrete tube of doom looks like a fucking cool shaded place to sleep. The "restraints" found around the camo could have been for pets. I'm just not seeing any definitive evidence that it's some sex dungeon trafficking ring.

can we just stop posting about this without any proof?

how do we know that it's a trafficking camp?

I honestly have to ask about the cemex thing. Do people honestly think there is a child sex ring that is also involved in using blood in concrete or something? Just putting it out there that it be a lot cheaper and easier just to by blood from slaughter houses.

Please understand I'm not saying what was found and is continuing to be found isn't some horrible child abuse ring. But I do remember when the shills came during the pizza gate thing and boiled down everything that was found into 'they have kids in cages in the basement of a pizza place in DC'. And once that happened no one took it seriously. I don't want this turning into 'they kill kids to use their blood in concrete'

I'd read the patent before making assumptions. Blood has a lot of iron in it.

Not to be that guy but examining concrete doesn't mean you know the chemistry inside and out. Hell we can't even recreate concrete as good as the Roman's made 2k years ago.

Hell we can't even recreate concrete as good as the Roman's made 2k years ago.

From what I understand we actually can, we just opt not too because it is much more expensive. The options we have for concrete now aren't made to be everlasting like the Romans because we don't need it to be like they did. We have a much easier time building stuff and repairing stuff compared to them, who just wanted to build it and never have to worry about it again.

i'm sure tearing up old asphalt and putting down more is expensive as fuck, they should probably check the math again.

Well the strongest Roman cement actually requires contact with seawater (for a chemical reaction that keeps it strong), so I don't see that happening any time soon for our roads.

that's not the main thing, just another sketchy thing on a huge pile of sketchy things

it's not like podesta's email form that lady with the kids in the pool giving their ages alone would be anything, but then you look at the guys artwork and it's all half naked minors in positions of various distress, and so why not look at his connections, past, and omfg then there is spirit cooking and the artwork on the walls of comet, and my spidey-sense is going off. Would you let your kid hang out at a pizzaparlor with that on the walls? Then let anyone tape them to a ping pong table like they were in a bdsm flick and laugh about it ha ha?

at any rate, the blood/concrete thing just sounds like spirit cooking, like do you think if a bunch of occult sadists are going to build their temple with special powers they AREN'T going to put blood in the concrete?

c'mon this is basic occult crap, blood magic(k) is a thing with bad people, get used to it. hell, jesus is blood magic(k) with his sacrifice to save everyone and having us imagine drinking his blood to remember? (i reject this btw, he just wanted us to drink red wine and hang out with friends, not ritualize anything)

i, for the record, reject all blood magic, as that is what is known as 'necro' or 'death magic(k)', known in some popular tales as 'death eaters', or the grim reaper or whatever that thing was in Paranormal Activity, etc etc.

I'm on the pro-life side of things, pro-rationality, pro-statutory laws that protect minors from the sexual advances of adults, art, peace, consensuality, things like this.

Hope this sheds some light, good question.

Well I will tell you they AREN'T going to patent the idea.

Why not just gather all interesting and relevant data and paint a picture?

You know what mucks up that process the most?

We have to consider evidence. We often do not know the whole picture. So, we cannot commit to belief nor disbelief honestly. It is easier on the mind to do so, but it leads us away from the bigger picture into tangents into which we are emotionally invested.

So, that they have an interest in putting blood into cement doesn't mean anything yet. It can be used as a support for speculations, but this thread doesn't seem to be worth examining too much at this time. It has plausible explanations and nothing to contradict them yet.

So, it is what it is. It is foolish to make conclusions with incomplete evidence.

You guys need to think of it like the dude from stranger things 2. If it's so out there the public won't believe you don't focus on the unbelievable parts.

I don’t think I’ve ever read anything from professional conspiracy redditor /u/spiritual_war that wasn’t cringe worthy, sensationalist, witch hunt thinly veiled behind this dude’s suspect personal political agenda. Seriously... this dude posts all day every day. At least he stopped with the super annoying three sentence, mock haiku format he fancied for a few days there.

Why is the photo of the water bottle and skull so insanely pixellated? I'm sorry but that is suspicious in and of itself. If you are trying to prove something, don't take a picture of it that is so pixellated that you can barely even make out that there is a skull and water bottle in the photo, let alone that it's a child skull, when we all know that everybody has a 12 megapixel camera in their pocket or at least somebody there does.

Donald Trump comes out trying to weasle Russia back in G8 and this is the top posts huh

No matter what is actually going on there sex trafficking/ coyote movements/etc, the part that sickens me is that I drive past this everyday. I had absolutely no idea. It's scary how they can hide stuff so well, in such plain sight.

Alex Jones level nutty. This is propaganda to discredit the sub. Nut jobs.

Do you have an update? It has gone totally quiet on the issue

Incredible, thank for doing this!

I wish someone would pay for people to come and check the ground for bodies: https://www.gp-radar.com/

Ground penetrating radar. Would make it much easier to find bodies.

Oh wow. I did not dig that deep into the links. Voat pizza gate threads get kinda bizarre when people start reaching.

The prediction and the statement about Gifford were as far as I was willing to go.

Best to look before you leap there.

Well the strongest Roman cement actually requires contact with seawater (for a chemical reaction that keeps it strong), so I don't see that happening any time soon for our roads.

So this is the third or fourth person to speak out about it being "their" camp LMAO. It's my camp actually you guys can stop now