Very interesting. I need to read more about the energy conspiracies.

http://www.infinite-energy.com/images/pdfs/mitcfreport.pdf

https://np.reddit.com/r/C_S_T/comments/4833mc/oil_prices_have_dropped_because_investors_know/

It would cost a huge amount of money to develop and then would cost some of the most powerful people in the world to lose money.

Of course it is being stifled.

Then the stepping stones necessary to develop the tech. Assume methods have application in other areas as well. What cascade of developments come out of the ideas that work here? Anything else with disruptive potential? Destructive potential?

Nuclear power development created power for the collective efforts of one country to destroy the planet. What happens when we move to develop the power for a singular individual to destroy the whole planet? How long before someone crazed takes up that potential? Hell, imagine zero point energy were actually tapped? The lesson learned is that maybe sufficiently advanced technology needs to be locked away as long as possible to prevent proliferation and risk of misuse.

Typical knee-jerk top post of no substance.

Totaling just over a half-billion dollars, the bill sends about $200 million to an international research project based in France, and $305 million to domestic research programs – effectively restoring cuts incurred over the past two years.

And then this is the question to humanity - are we to cease progress and evolution because a few greedy-shithead humans would rather make money?

The few greedy-shithead humans think so.

The military tech is always 50-100 years more advanced than the public’s - William Cooper (paraphrased).

I totally think UFOs are advanced military tech. And think it might be tied to a 4th Reich.

It's no secret that America had a lot of the nazi scientists working for them. Say what you want but those nazis made some of the biggest progressions in science ever during that era.

*had Nazi scientists working for them. Do you think they live forever? If they were in their 20s when we brought them here in the 40s, that makes them 90+. I'm calling bullshit.

So your correcting my 'had' to had?

Thought it was has. 🤷‍♂️ I guess so.

The people die, the ideology lives on.

Einstein died quite awhile ago. Does that mean we lost everything he helped develop? Lol...

The missiles go up

Who cares where they come down?

That's not my department.

Says Wernher von Braun.

+1 for Tom Lehrer

I'm a simple man, I see a Tom Lehrer lyric, I upvote.

They lost

The Russians acquired a bunch of Nazi scientists too, but no one seems to be suggesting that they have advanced technologies no one has ever seen before.

No, the Soviets did. And their country went to shit. But yes, the Russians probably have too although not as advanded probably since they had less time and money to invest on it.

21 trillion sir. 21, the size of our national debt.

He's talking about unaccounted for money, not our national debt.

21 trillion is unaccounted for, it just so happens to match the debt

Ah, did not know this. Good call, then.

The numbers are the same. So technically, we're 42 trillion in the hole. If you printed that off in $100 bills, it would weigh 462 tons.

Boy, you gotta carry that weight
Carry that weight a long time
Boy, you gonna carry that weight
Carry that weight a long time

Shit! Thanks.

The military tech is always 50-100 years more advanced than the public’s

Very doubtful. WWII ended in 1945. This would mean that nuclear weapons existed since 1895. And it would mean that stealth technology, GPS, personal computers, etc all existed in WWII.

50-100 is a stretch. But 15-25 years is pretty realistic.

I don't think it is. Academia usually knows the knowledge needed to make tech. They just aren't paid to put it together. For instance, stealth technology was widely known to be possible among relevant academics. They just didn't have the budget to do it like contractors did. Any released discovery follows a similar pattern.

We were irradiating things since the 19th century, so in a way, yeah nuclear weapons did exist.

We were irradiating ourselves with the sun before we were humans. Checkmate!

No, that curve may have started well after ww2. Also, it isn't necessarily true for all sectors of tech

Then the claim is unfalsifiable, because it hasn't even been fifty years yet.

...since ww2?

You said well after.

Fine, just "after" then. Point is a lot of government r&d started during & after ww2 so obviously the rule about secret tech being way ahead of public tech wouldn't have applied during that era

Can you name some examples?

Just off the top of my head, this . The sr71 has already been mentioned. On mobile & at work but I will try to look for more later, however if you're interested I feel like this should be relatively easy to Google

Also there was that unmanned space drone.

Note: I'm not backing the 50-100 years claim, I'm not even sure how you'd measure that, just the spirit behind the quote

I totally think UFOs are advanced military tech.

At least historically, there's some foundation for that. On the campaign trail, Carter promised to open UFO files that the federal government was holding. Once he got into office, he went back on that promise for national security reasons. There is speculation that the UFO sightings he refused to release were of stealth bombers test flights at night.

This is what $10Trillion looks like.

Lockheed Martin are confident about creating a retail fusion reactor. Given their other clients, it makes you wonder what they are providing for the deep-pocketed military.

Non-Mobile link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_Compact_Fusion_Reactor

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What do they do with it though? If they were using it in Iraq or whatever surely we'd have heard about it? Do they keep it hidden away just in case?

Something that uses a lot of energy. Submarines and warships come to mind (i.e. anything currently fission powered), but as there is virtually no radiation risk you could put it on something that is airborne. Maybe a lorentz effect aircraft.

Non-Mobile link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_force

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Why are we seeing this now?

To be fair; This was already known last year.
Lockheed Martin Release New Details About Compact Fusion Reactor (July 10, 2017)

Also, regarding the tech spreading to other countries; Lots of countries are already cooperating on fusion energy.

For example:

In southern France, 35 nations are collaborating to build the world's largest tokamak, a magnetic fusion device that has been designed to prove the feasibility of fusion as a large-scale and carbon-free source of energy based on the same principle that powers our Sun and stars.

Thousands of engineers and scientists have contributed to the design of ITER since the idea for an international joint experiment in fusion was first launched in 1985. The ITER Members— China, the European Union, India, Japan, Korea, Russia and the United States —are now engaged in a 35-year collaboration to build and operate the ITER experimental device, and together bring fusion to the point where a demonstration fusion reactor can be designed. https://www.iter.org/proj/inafewlines

Not saying you're not on to something here, but I've yet to see convincing evidence of it being "held back on purpose".

Fusion reactions are really hard to control. And they take lots of energy to contain, making the issue about finding a way to harness it so that more energy is produced than required to maintain the reaction.

Yeah I'm guessing they've already considered this?

The point i’m Making is it’s harder than even sixty years of research to get past. I’m not a physicist but I was a chemist, and I went to a few presentations by leading fusion researchers a few years ago. These are really smart, really dedicated people. It’s just really damn hard to contain the reaction in a way that generates net energy (and doesn’t level the research facility).

theres no formula that you can use to see how long a discovery will take. It could have been discovered 40 years ago or we might still need another 1000. My money is on us having figured it out already though

The thing to consider here is the aspect of DARPA and all the hundreds of billions spent every year on black budget programs. Consider how the Manhattan project was compartmentalized and kept secret, only revealed to the world after the bombing of Japan. The us military has no tactical reason to reveal it's research to the world, quite contrary, that would be best kept secret. Every year the US patent office declares thousands of patsnrs national secrets, which takes ownership of ideas away from their cresrors and leaves them with no recourse, they can't even talk about the idea without the threat of long prison sentences.

Every year the US patent office declares thousands of patents national secrets,

TIL, although wired says the number is fewer than 100 per year. That’s still way too many in book.

I wonder why no-one has brought an eminent domain lawsuit here?

I just ballparked the number, way off I guess. Someone told.me about that long ago. Still the terms of the declaration preepmt any and all legal action. Sounds like one loaded legal solution.

Even at 2 per year it’s a scary proposition.

Like OP said, we've had 60 years to address this issue, it's not like that wasn't thought of.

We had hundreds of years to address the issue of human flight, which in the grand scheme of things was far easier to achieve than break even nuclear fusion that can produce useful power.

Yeah, and looks what has happened since we developed flight. If fusion is on the same scale, we're way behind.

Maybe someome had an airplane before the Wrights invented it or whatever story is sold as the "first to invent"

Y'know, not every single thing has to be a conspiracy.

Exactly what a debunker would say

I said maybe?

Davinci did have a good understanding of aerodynamics, so it is possible.

Im aeare of the ornithopter. Some claim it was just theoretical or something.

There's something called materials science. You aren't going to build any sort of futuristic technology until advancements in that area are designed first. For example, the Oxcart program had to create multiple new materials and composites to build their jet. It was also the first all titanium airframe ever built.

Turning theory into a working product takes years and in some cases decades of design and iteration to get the breakthroughs needed to achieve particular feats of engineering. That's why you're seeing F-22s and F-35s being built now and not 30 or 40 years ago, because there were multiple programs that needed to be successful first, F-117, B-2, Harrier Jump Jet, to name a few.

That's also making my point. If you think there are not programs out there that have not been developing thin exact thing, you're ignorant. The only difference is we don't see it, unlike Jets and their technology. What we see when we see it has probably already been developed 5-10 years prior.

Not ignorant just realistic. It is incredibly difficult to harness a sustained fusion reaction for energy production. The idea that the government or powers that be having a working design currently shelved at the moment is laughable. There have been thousands of people working on fusion reactors for almost six decades now all over the world. Most of the work they have done up to this point is confirming theory and designing/testing possible reactor prototypes.

Those are just the projects we actually know about. here is the lockheed patent for Fusion propulsion in a jet-engine sized package. https://patents.google.com/patent/US20180047462A1/en?oq=2018%2f0047462 If they have this, They have already worked their way down from a full sized reactor.

First off, this patent is for only one major component of a fusion reactor. Second, you can submit and be awarded patents without actually having built anything, companies do it all the time, especially when they are planning to begin working on major projects with new technology. Also, this patent isn't specifically for a fusion powered jet, that is just erroneous assumptions by individuals who do not understand how patents are submitted in the US. It says what it is in the title, Encapsulating Magnetic Fields for Plasma Confinement . It is quite literally a design patent for a plasma containment vessel.

Furthermore, putting a fusion reactor on a jet at this point in time is closer to Star Trek and other science fiction then it is grounded in reality. Lockheed Martin simply did what any other aerospace company would have done and included aircraft as part of the scope of what is protected under the patent. And when Lockheed Martin manages to get a working reactor the size of jet engine, if that is even physically possible, which is highly unlikely. It'll probably be past the year 2200 at which point jet engine propulsion will probably not be the desired means of propulsion for an aircraft.

Fusion reactions are sci-fi

FTFY.

Stars and hydrogen bombs aren't real?

Stars don't produce fusion, false equivalence based on erroneous assumptions.

Interesting, could you elaborate, please?

Yes they do.

Prove it.

Gold exists on Earth because fusion happened in a star.

Yeah yeah that's what they say, but you can also transmute elements by bombarding them with neutrons so necleogenesis is just a theory.

In essence yes, when fusion happens new matter is created by the fusion of electrons to atoms.

Stars are fusion. They turn hydrogen into helium. It's how stars work.

That's the theory.

I know I'm going down a rabbit hole, but do you consider spectral lines to be experimental errors, or is the whole of astronomy a fiction?

What is the evidence that stars are "cosmic anodes" and what cosmic features are the cathodes? Can I guess? I'd go black holes.

Spectroscopy isn't foolproof.

Prove it.

Simple, the sun is overwhelmingly positive, it's main emission is protons.

Kids can build fusion reactors...

• fusor is a device that uses an electric field to heat ions to conditions suitable for nuclear fusion. The machine generates an electric potential difference between two metal cages inside a vacuum. Positive ions fall down this voltage drop, building up speed. If they collide in the center, they can fuse. This is a type of inertial electrostatic confinement device.*

They take more energy then they release but it is fusion.

Positive ions fall down this voltage drop, building up speed.

So basically a particle accelerator.

Every field is a particle accelerator in that case. Gravitg, electric, magnetic

It's all electromagmetic, now you're getting it

When Ponz & Fleischman discovered Cold Fusion, they were pushed out and laughed at by the establishment... would the deep state be so foolish as to ignore such a breakthrough and not pursue it on their own?

Many different possibilities here.

Their research wasn't repeatable, so they didn't discover anything aside from experimental error.

The fact that you think so shows that the powers that be did their job well. Yeah there was a smear campaign. But their work was repeated. Some couldn't, some could repeat the results.

They deserve credit for discovering a legitimate phenomenon.

Some couldn't, but some could repeat the results.

That's by definition nonrepatable.

Oxford says:

Repeatable

adjective

1 Able to be done again.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/repeatable

Wasn't reliably repeatable then

You do realize that there are six countries that are close to commercialisation of Lern? Maybe they weren't reproducing the experiments with the correct loading? You might need to do more research before you speak here.

Steven E jones helped the government suppress cold fusion. also notice how he is involved with 9/11 truth! he is a controlled opposition cunt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DEccFO7EiI

Free energy is just the tip of the iceberg. All of science has been misdirected and corrupted from the top. It's all upside-down to sense. Nobody can figure it out because we are working with very little real understanding of mechanics at the quantum level.

So you are saying that conservation of energy is wrong?

No. Of course the conservation of energy is not wrong. Would you say the same to some scientist working on hot fusion even though they're working on an over-unity energy technology -- meaning we get more energy out of it than we put in by tapping the nuclear energy and turning it into heat. We use the passive energy stored in nuclear bonds to get more energy out than we put in. That doesn't violate the conservation of energy.

The trick is in realizing that there are other, more efficient ways than hot fusion to passively tap into stored nuclear energy and turn it safely to heat.

That's the narrow answer. The broader answer is that there are other sources of energy surrounding us that science has no idea exists, let alone how to tap into those sources. At least, the science which is publicly paraded around and which is a subtle but powerful misdirection from the truth, which is hidden.

. The broader answer is that there are other sources of energy surrounding us that science has no idea exists, let alone how to tap into those sources.

Then how do you know they exist?

Looking over my remarks, I realize I exaggerated by saying that science has no idea this energy exists. They call it "zero-point energy," but they've completely mischaracterized or misunderstood what it is and what its source is.

For one thing Fermilab isn't quite done yet. While CERN is doing their thing with the LHC, the guys in Batavia are planning on repurposing the Tevatron as part of a newer type of frame-dragging accelerator. This might also lead to some fun stuff if they ever focus their efforts on Majorana Fermions.

Then it might be getting into stuff like fields that carry the acceleration component that gives things inertia/gravity and weird stuff like that. Stuff that sounds more sci-fi than what's involved with usual energy production and projects dealing with more known things like the usual fusion models. This may also tie into revamped efforts to either detect or produce dark matter. It's like another side topic to delve into while the other accelerator at the forefront is more focused on antimatter and researching its behavior and properties.

But who knows if that relates any to what's gone on in the black sector research that taxpayer dollars just disappear into. (If so, they're comparatively late to the game.) Seems the secretive part of the government has still been able to keep a pretty good lid on that compared to what happened with fission based nuclear research.

For one thing, Majorana Fermions don't exist. . Stuff that sounds sci-fi probably is sci-fi. In fact they've misdirected mainstream physics to such a degree that it often sounds like science fiction. That is on purpose. All of the stuff you are talking about in your comment is part of the mainstream misdirection.

For another thing, mainstream science has no idea what dark matter/energy is , so how can they go about detecting or producing it? It's just a fudge factor they use to make their equations work. And even though by their own calculations dark matter/energy constitutes 95% of the universe--in other words, we are completely ignorant about what makes up 95% of the universe--we are supposed to believe modern mainstream science is the pinnacle of knowledge and enlightenment.

Except... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-28/microsoft-edges-closer-to-quantum-computer-based-on-elusive-particle

There is nothing to stop there being cosmic energy which we can tap into. Unless of course it doesn't exist.

Yes

Yes

Evidence?

There's a website somewhere full of designs and schematics for free energy tech, people can make it themselves.

There's one that's like a metal plate that stands on a pole which takes energy from the atmosphere, some guy built a crude version of it and it charged his phone.

Usually, those are just big antennas. It’s not free. We just pump a bunch of EM around, so there is plenty of “available” (not “free”) energy to harvest.

Some Guy should be just raking in the Nobel Prizes, then, or at least be making a ton of cash, and I totally believe you since Some Guy is such a well known and reliable source.

Don’t worry about the haters. I understand all this and completely agree. The only thing about free energy is if third world countries get access to this, over population will happen at a much more rapid pace

Thanks! I have to wonder how much overpopulation would be a problem in a world with cheap, limitless, clean energy. Also, historically, increased living standards have gone along with a lower birthrate, not a higher one. So it could very well slow the growth.

I’m going to respectively disagree. Sure maybe some Facebook post said “millennials arnt having kids” blah blah. But at the beings of the 1900’s the industrial revolution raised the standard of living and population levels through the roof. If third world countries had there own industrial revolution we would not have a decrease in population.

This has nothing to do with Facebook posts and nothing to do with millenials. You are right that the industrial revolution was accompanied by a huge population growth. But what we've seen in the US, European, and other developed economies in the last century is that economic prosperity has been followed by a reduction in the birthrate. In some countries the birth rate is even below replacement levels. So the relationship between economic prosperity and population growth is not so straightforward. It seems to be more of an inverted-U shape, contributing to population growth until some point then lowering it. I guess it's an open question of what impact free energy would have on population growth in the short run, but in the long run it should reduce it.

Free energy also means we can clean up pollution for less cost. We can desalinate water. Etc, etc.

All of science has been misdirected and corrupted from the top.

Examples please.

Watch the documentary THRIVE (don’t discredit it because it talks about crop circles) it explains how this free energy exists and how big oil and the CIA go out of there way to suppress it. I mean they can build bombs from splitting atoms but the idea that free unlimited energy exist is sooo crazy? Lol I mean come on. Don’t trust a government when it’s citizens blindly trust the establishment.

it explains how this free energy exists

Where is their production 100MW grid tied facility located at?

Honestly it’s been awhile since I’ve seen the documentary. I don’t really recall the 100MW grid. But you quoted me on “it explains how this free energy exists” they show time again and again how many scientists/physicists have had the knowledge to do this. So what exactly was your point

My point is that despite some saying that free energy exist no one is actually using it to power a damn thing.

Use it to power a 100 watt light bulb for a month then we can talk.

Yes because it gets suppressed by the elite and corporations that own the patons. A good example is Telsta and J.P. Morgan burning his lab down

Who is doing the suppression in Russia, China, Iran, or other such places?

And who is stopping someone from building one on their own land?

You just named like the most corrupt places on earth lol but come on man just go do your own research and come up with your own conclusion

You ignored my second sentence.

Actually I did several times but it’s okay you sound like a very insecure person. Just open your eyes and conduct your own research instead of instigating responses on reddit. Peace.

Asking you to support your statements is research. Leading with a personal attack appears to show you aren't really all that confident in your ideas.

Obviously I’m not confident I’m what I’m saying. That’s why I’m simply saying “hey go do your own research and come up with your own ideas.” Human ignorance is unbelievable and why the world is in the state that it is.

Then why did you state as factual something you have zero supporting evidence of?

Is this how you normally converse with someone?

"People drive planes, typically"

"Oh yeah? Show me a city with a personal plane in every driveway."

Asking you for examples of free energy existing is perfectly normal. If you told me you had violated other accepted physics I would have asked for examples as well.

It is interesting that every free energy person I speak to gets this way when I ask where the actual power plants are using their tech, hell they get upset when I ask why they use them to power their storage building...

I'm not OP.

But... Suppressed doesn't mean implemented with copious examples available to the public.

It means suppressed. Either 'they' use the tech in secret for their own benefit or not. The point is we don't have access whether there are functional power plants or not, because it's suppressed - get it?

Well, start with Stephen Hawking. This researcher shows persuasively that the real Stephen Hawking was replaced at some point (probably early 80's) by someone with some resemblance but different enough to be easily distinguished. The photographic evidence he provides is decisive. You can go to the same researcher's website if you'd like to learn more real physics. Once you see the real thing, you begin to realize what a hash mainstream physics is and that it did not happen that way by accident.

Your second link is something...

He literally says that everything in physics, almost, is wrong...

I mean he says Complex numbers were invented to hide something. ...

Yes, he basically says that almost everything in physics is wrong. Though in many cases the errors that result are rather small. The problem though is that even small errors tend to compound over time, so he had to go back to the beginning to fix what was wrong. So he never shows what is wrong without fixing it and moving forward. The discoveries he makes as a result are astounding.

Wow, I'm impressed you already made it down to the 170th paper he posted there. That was fast. But if you had read the paper, you would know what it is he says complex numbers are being used to hide. Here I'll quote the relevant paragraphs; the key is in the second one:

Now, the reason this sort of math works in electrical engineering and in quantum electro-dynamics is that this expansion into ordered pairs gives you four dimensions from only two initial variables. You get a sort of matrix with four degrees of freedom. As a heuristic device, it is clear why this would be useful. But it is also useful as a device of mis-direction and obfuscation, since two of these dimensions or degrees of freedom can exist in the dark, undefined and unnoticed. This serves to hide the mechanics, and the very existence of the mechanics. Because these dimensions are imaginary, no one asks mechanical questions about them. The math hides real interactions under confusing variables or functions, and no one ever looks at them. This is just one more reason that the foundational electrical field or the charge field has been defined as "virtual." It is smashingly easy to turn the switch from "imaginary" to "virtual", since they are basically the same thing. Virtual particles are imaginary particles, ones that do the mechanical fudging where the imaginary variables did the mathematical fudging.

But why would physicists want to hide the mechanics under confusing math? Because they know how to do the math, but they don't know much about the mechanics. They have fit the math to the data after the fact, but can't explain the data mechanically. To be specific, they have followed Lagrange in this creation of extra degrees of freedom out of nothing, and it is because, like him, they recognized they needed them. But since neither Lagrange nor anyone since could assign those degrees of freedom to anything physical, they have hidden the physics. They have buried the physics under the math, so that students of both math and physics would not ask them the hard questions.

To be even more specific, no one has seen that both the data and the math require a second field in physics beyond the gravitational field. Or, if they have seen it, they have not been able to say what that field is. So it was best to hide the fact. But the field is just the charge field, as I have shown in dozens of papers. The old equations already contained it, including Newton's gravitational equations, the Lagrangian, Laplace's field equations, and so on. What is more, the electromagnetic equations have also been unified all along, containing gravity. Coulomb's equation, like Newton's, is already unified. That is why both celestial mechanics and electromagnetics have required these extra degrees of freedom: the math of both has to represent the unified field, whether the mathematicians and physicists can assign the variables or not.

Wow, I'm impressed you already made it down to the 170th paper he posted there

Is it really necessary to be that way?

No, it isn't. But you have to understand that I've had many discussions on-line where the other person is able to quickly dismiss or quickly refer to some deeply buried point as if it was at the tip of their fingers. Sometimes it's to dismiss the findings of a 40-minute youtube video within 5 minutes. In this case it's not so clear cut but still hard to grok. I don't know how you managed to wade through the work so quickly. It's a good but imperfect sign of a disinfo agent. Another is the lack of substantive content in your remark. If I am wrong, then I apologize for my snark.

Or because it is very difficult technology to get to work in an energy positive fashion.

There have been plans for nuclear powered missiles for 40+ years starting with Project Pluto in the late 50's / early 60's.

Fusion is much more difficult to achieve than fission. And we make fission hard enough on ourselves that we're shutting down US plants left and right.

Source: I am a nuke engineer

energy positive fashion

lol

?

Why are we seeing this now? Because just a week or two ago the Russians claimed to have a nuclear powered cruise missile with unlimited range. This fusion fighter patent is probably the US reaction to the Russian claim.

Boom.

Except we, the US, had plans for nuclear powered cruise missiles in the 50's and 60's.

On May 14, 1961, the world's first nuclear ramjet engine, "Tory-IIA", mounted on a railroad car, roared to life for a few seconds. Three years later, "Tory-IIC" was run for five minutes at full power

They want to keep everyone oppressed because there is much less need for them if you have your own energy. Look at all the states that don't allow you to have solar panels and use rain water. Almost every city has a law requiring you to use power and water. They force you to use their utilities or they will condemn your home.

I'm usually a bit skeptical that the elite are more than maybe a decade ahead of us, but I gotta admit that article has my head spinning.

The claim against fusion is always the massive amount of input energy required to start a successful fusion reaction, which currently (if we believe what we're told) can only happen in a few (or really only one) massive lab, and even then, really doesn't create a self-sustaining reaction. If this article really is true, and this patented design both works and is fielded soon, then your premise is correct - we'd have been able to produce power via fusion for at least a decade.

I'm reminded of my school days, where we were told fusion was just on the horizon - that was back in 2013. Course, they also told us we were on the edge of a nuclear Renaissance, which was a lie, so I never really believed them about fusion either.

Why do you think a fusion reaction would be "self sustaining" ?

That's not how it works.

The claim against fusion is always the massive amount of input energy required to start a successful fusion reaction

Cold Fusion though.

Also how do you get any energy out of a tokomak? Do the side walls start heating? I just have never heard a rationale for it

Stars are powered by nuclear fusion, and they run just fine.

Because they have extremely high temps and pressures where fusion occurs in the star. That's why it is so hard to do here on Earth.

Well we’ve achieved nuclear fusion on earth many times, the problem is maintaining it for long enough for it to produce energy.

Decades ago we couldn’t do it at all. Now we are perfecting it, every test lasting longer and longer. It’s only a matter of time before we can do it for long enough to use commercially. Just because it’s taking a while doesn’t mean it won’t happen.

SMH that's the whole point of this post. If this patent is real, and a successful jet fusion reactor is constructed soon, then it would mean that we would have been able to do it commercially for a long time now, but that the tech was withheld from us. If we can't create an exothermic fusion reaction in the lab, how could we do it in a jet? The reverse is true as well - if we can do it in a jet, then obviously we can do it in a lab, or in a power plant, etc.

Of course! I’ll try to keep this brief. A friend sold tech to Raytheon about 12 years ago. The tech is disturbing and another conversation for another day. During negotiations there was reportedly a 4 star general in the room. One of his partners was discussing the 25,000 Chinese soldier march that was a popular email at the time. Basically China could line 25,000 men of fighting age on their beach and march them into the ocean and drown them. They could do this into infinity one line after another due to their massive population. The discussion revolved around how this had to be disconcerting for a military leader. The general said, ‘we could wipe China off the map in 7 minutes’. The partner, brought up that it takes like 28 minutes for a full nuclear exchange and how was that possible. The general replied, ‘nuclear?!, you’re thinking way to 1960 son’ and would say no more. That was 12 years ago.

Does it surprise anyone here that there is a significant amount of suppressed technology when we can’t even get truthful news about the days events?!?!!!

He was probably referring to nukes in space. I'm sure the US has all kinds of orbiting nuclear weapons, ready to drop at a moment's notice.

They don't even need to be nuclear. The US Navy has railgun technology already, if you get a 10kg tungsten slug getting a gravity assisted impact at an already incredible speed you'll do some damage from a potentially almost undetectable source. Now add in a relatively quick RoF or a battery of weapons/satellites and you can saturate an area in minutes.

The more likely explanation is the many ballistic subs that can be parked off their coast undetected. Each boat has a boatload of missiles and each missile has many independent Hbomb payloads.

I’m not doubting nuke missiles in space, I’m just doubting they’re in sufficient quantity. Plus, you risk irradiating your own country trying to send them up if the rocket fails to deliver.

I'm doubting nukes in space. Governments can tell when other governments put stuff in space. Rocket launches are not discreet. Putting nukes up in space would not go unnoticed, and it would not be without political repercussions. Do you think China and Russia would just stay quiet if they noticed the US putting nukes in space?

Orbiting death ray.

Lol as someone who knows a researcher who was 1 degree from that whole project, it was more about getting research funding from.a gullible president than a tangible system.

Nuclear weapons from space, being able to fry their optics from earth using a laser and ABM countermeasures are the game chargers. Turning satellites into floating debris using just a laser is crazy when you think about it.

/r/thathappened

😂 I love that sub. I wasn’t there so can’t verify, but he is a trusted source.

Do tell more of his fun tech

I would love to hear more about this friend of yours.

Would live to tell you about him. Interesting dude.

I was thinking recently how the past 20 years we've heard how we're always on the verge of making medical breakthroughs for many different conditions but it seems no medical breakthroughs ever happen.

I bring this up all the time in the science Reddit page every time I see some bullshit about cancer cures and being close to finding one I always mention the dude from Canada and a few other doctors ,and of course it always gets down voted.

there's nothing bullshit about the suppression of cancer cures, 100% there are alternatives out there that would help us immensely compared to radiation treatment. Do you know how much money gets put into cancer cures, treatments + charities? It's just common sense that they will slow down the progress but still release shit at a slow pace to make it look like they're not suppressing.

30 years ago a breast or testicular cancer diagnosis carried an iffy proposition for survival. Today, they are routinely survivable. I had a problem shoulder fixed with stem cells. Medical advances are happening routinely.

it seems no medical breakthroughs ever happen.

The survival rates of most of those conditions show that improvement are being made at a rather decent pace...

https://youtu.be/w_SCuPId8KA

The USA had developed nuclear powered cruise missiles back in the 1950s with unlimited range.

Sustained fusion is happening right now at several research centers worldwide. What isn't happening is a net positive fusion reactor - one in which more energy is produced than it takes to sustain the reaction.

It's taking a long time because it's very hard, not because TPTB are suppressing it. Otherwise there'd just be no research at all.

Not gonna lie. This is one of those conspiracies that has just plain been lurking in my head like “well, that would explain why so much money is missing, and wouldn’t even be evil, really.”

Very probably why Pons and Flieshman were treated with such contempt and outright fraud. They discovered something that was really inconvenient for the deep state.

They discovered their own experimental errors. Their paper and protocols are still available, but their experiments are not replicable.

It was poorly conducted science, not the deep state.

Out and out fraud. Not an honest mistake. Pons and Flieshman's experiments have been replicated for decades all over the world. Read about some of the merciless, un-professional attacks leveled against these two. It becomes extremely clear

Seems plausible. Note that they were electrochemists rather than physicists, and so they werent aware of what they werent allowed to propose. All nuclear deep theory needs to remain obscured as a born secret, maybe.

There is no money in free energy, of course it's being suppressed. I'm honestly surprised how much electric vehicles are starting to catch steam, I guess with Elon money you're harder to intimidate? There is a safe somewhere with patents of awesome and world changing technology, but they are owned by governments on controlling elites who will not see profits or control diminished.

You could say that about a bunch of things, like cheap ways of electrolysis to get hydrogen out of any kind of water for unlimited clean energy. There have been breakthroughs for many years, yet nothing ever came out of it.

Aliens

There's no way you go 50 years without making any real progress in any area of technology.

They have made unbelievable progress on fusion technology.

Progress doesn't mean going from zero to a workable design. If that's your definition though, then you have to admit there are thousands of examples without scientific breakthroughs from long periods of time. Gonna have to choose one. Both can't be true.

Alright. Go

Nope, because self-sustaining fusion is not possible. There is a conspiracy, allright, but it is not merely about hidden reactors.

About a year ago I read a story that the scientists had figured out the theory to real fusion power. The main problem now is actually building it, that they still don't know how.

I was watching a periscope by Scott Adams, the creator of Dilbert. He talked about that story and said he called a scientist friend of his who was in the know. He asked him about how long it would take to figure out the tech side, the friend said 5 years tops because once you figure out the theory the physical side is just a matter of time.

Let's get back to this thread in 5 years. And see how it still is 5-10 years away.

Next clear day, go outside, open your eyes and turn your head toward the brightest thing in the sky. Now tell me self-sustaining fusion is impossible.

A silly assumption that is. Much more scientifically accurate models exist for said phenomenon.

self-sustaining fusion is not possible

Is this a flat earth, sun is fake thing or something else?

We haven't experienced energy producing fusion yet so there is no reason to suspect such exists.

The sun or any other star is enough evidence to discredit your fusion is fake theory

believe it or not there is not any evidence to solidify fusion sun model over many of the laternatives.

What shape is the earth?

Yes, there are better more predictive models available than fusion sun....

I asked for a source not your saying yes.

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Portable energy generally is heavily suppressed because of how its significant advancement would make inevitable the withering/devolution of other advanced individual-agency-enhancing technologies (especially personal flight), which our society (and The State it manifests) is fundamentally incompatible with.

considering the billions that have been spent on trying to achieve fusion (all wasted) and the ease with which we can have solar power, what would be the better option?

Also economically speaking, solar is decentralized, and adds jobs to the local area instead of funneling it all to some central point.Most likely it will need to be backed up by wind power but that is easily accomplished.

Update me when we cure the common cold

Not 20 to 30 years away, but a mere 10, according to MIT

http://www.wbur.org/bostonomix/2018/03/09/mit-nuclear-fusion

It's as if, none of the people in this thread have heard of a tokamak reactor before.

Or Iter, which is an experimental reactor under construction right now in France, that the US is providing funding for. Oh and by the way, it's huge and fucking expensive and they don't even expect to get a 1:1 fusion reaction. The reactor is purely experimental and for research purposes, because reliable man-made Fusion in practice is still based on theory.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/tech-and-science/science/usa-budget-bill-doubles-funding-for-iter-nuclear-fusion-project/article/518441

Patents don't mean you actually have to build it, just come up the the idea and describe it.

Feynman tossed off dozens of patentable ideas during the Manhattan Project, for which the US government paid him $1 each.

You think we have had fusion for several decades, but you have no evidence other than a claim based on logic and the natural progression of things.

I think it's more likely that groups have been over selling for grant money.

Yeah for anyone saying they don't have this technology yet...Take a look at the google patent page and tell me they done have this down to a science... They have probably been working on Fusion propulsion for 30 or so years. If they are able to create a system that can fit in a jet, they already built a full size reactor for testing. Patent: https://patents.google.com/patent/US20180047462A1/en?oq=2018%2f0047462

Thorium-fueled fission reactors really need to become a thing in the meantime... However it will continue to be surpressed because it isn't useful as a weapon.

The thing to consider here is the aspect of DARPA and all the hundreds of billions spent every year on black budget programs. Consider how the Manhattan project was compartmentalized and kept secret, only revealed to the world after the bombing of Japan. The us military has no tactical reason to reveal it's research to the world, quite contrary, that would be best kept secret. Every year the US patent office declares thousands of patents national secrets, which takes ownership of ideas away from their cresrors and leaves them with no recourse, they can't even talk about the idea without the threat of long prison sentences.

DARPA also has the largest budget to snatch up through best and brightest, who won't be ever speaking at conferences about their classified research

who here knows about the scum bag Steven e jones who helped the government suppress cold fusion technology?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DEccFO7EiI he also help suppress the involvement of energy regarding the destruction of the buildings on 9/11,

This is absolutely retarded, one of the stupidest conspiracy theories I’ve heard.

Read about fusion energy. Do some research. Just because you don’t understand why it’s hard, doesn’t mean it’s being held back.

The main problem with your theory is this: fusion energy offers complete energy independence, no more reliance on fossil fuels. There’s nothing the government wants more than free, infinite energy. That goes for every government, bar the few oil producing countries. It would absolutely screw over Russia and Iran for one. Every corporation, except for those in the energy industry also want nothing more than infinite free energy.

So ask yourself, if almost every government is desperate for it, and almost all of our corporate overlords are desperate for it, why the fuck is it being held back? Answer... it’s definitely not. Especially as our energy needs grow infinitely and our resources shrink.

Usually, those are just big antennas. It’s not free. We just pump a bunch of EM around, so there is plenty of “available” (not “free”) energy to harvest.

Some Guy should be just raking in the Nobel Prizes, then, or at least be making a ton of cash, and I totally believe you since Some Guy is such a well known and reliable source.

50-100 is a stretch. But 15-25 years is pretty realistic.

We were irradiating things since the 19th century, so in a way, yeah nuclear weapons did exist.

No, that curve may have started well after ww2. Also, it isn't necessarily true for all sectors of tech

Fine, just "after" then. Point is a lot of government r&d started during & after ww2 so obviously the rule about secret tech being way ahead of public tech wouldn't have applied during that era

That's the theory.