He is a hard core liberal--and yet--he has figured out that Obama, Hillary, the MSM, and the Democratic Party are even more evil than Trump and the Republican Party.

A lot of us "hardcore Liberals" have been following Dore since the Primaries. He was calling out HRC's bullshit back then. This is something people need to recognize- Left and Right are allies in this. HRC, Obama, and the Deep State are Corporatist Neocon/Neolibs...they are NOT the Left.

The real Left is busy trying to storm the Party from the Grassroots. We've taken 8 State Parties from the Corporate Dems so far, and are gunning for more.

This is done by the weakness of the Dem Party itself. The smallest organizational unit of the Party is the precinct. Any registered Dem can show up and vote for their Precinct Chair. Precinct Chairs vote for Country Chairs, who vote for State Chairs, who vote for National Chairs. This is how we take the Party back from the cold, dead hands of the Corporatists.

Left and Right are both engaged in a death struggle, together, for the Republic and against the Neocon/Neolib malignancy that has infested the halls of DC for at least 40 years, with the true rot going far deeper.

The Democrats abandoned the "little guy" in the 80's when they lost 3 straight elections to Reagan and Bush. Clinton ushered in the "New Democrats" based all on deregulation and Neoliberal policies. Since then both Parties have been absolutely the same, except for petty social issues they feed as red meat to the masses.

The Party of FDR died with Bobby in '68.

fdr was for the rich white guy. you've been lied to about him.

He was and he wasn't. FDR was a Capitalist, and his New Deal was set out to save Capitalism from itself. If FDR hadn't done what he did, there might have been a Socialist revolution in the US back in the 30's. Social Security created a retirement age and pension, stronger Unions allowed the post war boom to be equitably distributed among the workers and the bosses, and infrastructure projects like the TVA modernized the country.

FDR didn't want to destroy Capitalism, and he was an Elite who sought a compromise between the People and the rest of his Class.

those are all lies!

FDR made Unions stronger. In 1956, 53% of all American workers were union members. Wages rose steadily with profits, and the incredible wealth of the post-war boom was spread equitably- bosses still made more, but their workers got their fair cut of it.

Social Security was radical- never before had the concept of a "retirement age" been culturally enshrined. Europe quickly followed suit. SS dropped Elderly poverty from 70%+ to less than 30%, though after years of repealing legislation and rising inflation, this number is creeping up again towards 50%.

The infrastructure projects of the 30's did modernize the country. The New Deal plumbed and wired the countryside, so that these were standard commodities in most US households by the mid 40's. The TVA was just an example of that.

out of curiosity, was the new deal funded by borrowing money on the principle of profitable returns from the investment to the fed, or through taxation? either way, it seems a prudent investment that did create returns. just wondering where the revenue for the projects originated from (and the status of that debt if it was not locally organic/ was ww2 part of repaying this debt?)

A lot of the debt was mere deficit spending- which had never been tried on such a scale before. Back in the 30's it was a radical idea (and dangerous) to decide to spend money on a national scale in order to make it. The New Deal itself wouldn't have ended the Depression, it just established the conditions for the equitably economy of the post-war era. WW2 and its jump starting of production and full employment are what fully pulled us out, then the New Deal helped create the "rules" for the new economy, imo.

The revenue was collected through taxes but it was also printed, this is why FDR suspended the Gold Standard from about '34-'45, so that deficit spending could be allowed. The boom from the War and its after-effects allowed this debt to be easily payed for- something we would have to figure out if we were to do it again.

No, War isn't usually good. But WW2 was an aberration, which makes people think all wars are good for the economy. WW2 was good for the US because it destroyed Europe and Asia, which meant that in '45 the US produced 52% of all global goods- it was great for the US because it let us rebuild Europe and Japan and have them buy our shit. But War is generally disastrous.

when they lost 3 straight elections to Reagan and Bush

The importance of this phrase cannot be overstated. When you vote for the oligarchy, you make the opposition become more like it.

I partially agree. For example: How is it the party that wants to empower the little guy--is the party that wants to disarm the little guy?

Because the modern Dem Party doesn't stand for the little guy...and many of us on the Left, like myself, believe in gun ownership and own weapons. How else can I call for National Healthcare and College/Trade education if I don't have the power to ensure the government does it?

I see giving more power to government as giving more power to the NWO. They would like for all of us to be as dependent on government as possible.

That's both parties my friend. The Republicans just want you to vote every 4 years and forget about it- leave it to them to take care of business, ignore their corruption, and let them "run government" so you don't have to. The Republic was designed to be run by a civically active citizenry.

Neither Party represents the People of today.

For example, the black community has been neutralized by government dependency.

Which has its real roots in the 90's, with Clintons bipartisan "Welfare Reform", which added Welfare cliffs and made it virtually impossible to get out of the system once in it- because instead of tapering benefits they immediately stop them if you make 1$ over the line, which is insane bullshit. Both Parties supported this.

I'm not disagreeing with you on the desire to limit power, however both parties are all for huge govt. Look how both parties put money into the military. We're already spending more than the next 10 countries combined and I'm not exaggerating. Unfortunately the time to fight back with mere guns has long gone. Both parties have pushed the surveillance state and it does seem they're hell bent on ever tighter control of the common folk. To what end we can only guess. Thanks for this post OP - from a leftie who is prepared to join up with like minded righties, I applaud your willingness to have an open mind about the political divide.

Agreed - I'm swinging anarchist myself but I've got a lot more to learn.

Yup, and getting people to believe this is like pulling teeth. I mean if you are a black democrat and after 8 years of a black president and your life is the same as 8 years before you have to start to wake up a little bit that both parties are the same.

I personally advocate for Libertarian-Socialism/Anarcho Syndicalism, which calls for Direct Democracy at the local level, Direct Action of the Citizens and Workers, Democratic ownership of the Economy ( through worker co-ops and stock buybacks) and power centralized in the Commune and not the Federal government- the Commune being usually the Municipal level. But I believe that this organization of society can also have egalitarian goals- the administration of Healthcare to all, the administration of Education to all, etc;

So yes- I think that is possible. Though it's a difficult future to see actually happening under current circumstances.

Wouldn't local entities and federations of local entities be sufficient to provide education and healthcare?

Ideally, yes, eventually. But in the interim Social Democratic policies are a good stopgap. Stop the bleeding, then move forward from there.

through worker co-ops and stock buybacks

We are still competing against companies that employ slave wage labor & import into this country with non-existent tariffs.

Those companies kill themselves though, it's the classical Marx critique of capitalism. They reduce the value of wages to such a degree there is no longer enough people which can afford to buy the product. Co-ops would produce a loyal base of consumers which has plenty of wealth to not spend at multinationals but rather at their own or other co-ops.

While they kill themselves co-ops scoop up the aftermath and wins the war, even f the battles are tough.

Not actually waiting though, not politically active but working on getting a skill that is worth something.

I think there is plenty of places doing it but I cant name you any. But I guess Mondragon Corporation would be an example, but not a great one(I think, don't really know enough about it).

Government could make it easier without dismantling anything also, give good tax incentives. Like instead of filing your tax as a corporation you do it as a Co-op, with accompanying tax-benefits. It's still completely in line of free market and capitalist ideals but since it removes a power from corporations government would never do a thing like that. Unless it's a Ron Paul/Bernie Sanders type populist in government.

I guess, I don't know tax laws though so take nothing I say as truth. I'm not in theory against taxation either, as it's an effective tool to pool resources for necessary things, done right you can make it a solid foundation for society. But since the point is you're not withdrawing a profit but simply pay wages for workers who own it collectively I don't see why not really, but would you trust the IRS to not suddenly change routine to mess with something that threatens corporate hegemony?

If I were to do it I'd do it while paying taxes and being a really good sport about it, don't give them fodder for something.

If we clump all repubs together they are getting clumped with the party they enjoy fucking over.

Yes - everything you said. I'm still incredibly angry over the primaries and I know a lot more. Way of the Bern is full of people like us.

I fucking love WOTB. I spend most of my posting time here in r/conspiracy but I use WOTB as my go to for info regarding the fight against the Party Corporatists. There's really no better sub for getting to understand the complexities of the Corporatist/Progressive civil war: I say that for those who are unfamiliar with r/wayofthebern. I seriously recommend it.

Lol yes it's the best. I'm surprised it's maintained a relatively shill free status so far.

They're small enough to fall under the radar of TMOR and subs like them, because they focus on con and TD. They also just have some kickass mods and a userbase that is willing to engage with people of all stripes- but not willing to take Shill BS.

We could learn from that here

Agreed.

Come hang out there, post specific (non-doxxing) scenarios & ask how the wotb participants would tackle the shill/troll problem in your scenarios. Some crazy-creative thinkers there.

well bad news, you guys might have just changed that by bringing attention to it here lol.

TMOR already knows about WOTB, they just don't find time to give them shit because they are too distracted with con and TD. But posts from WOTB have made the rounds on TMOR in the past.

ESS (Enough Sanders Spam) is typically the guilty party in that sub.

Not a fan of WOTB to be honest. I was banned from there when I live in Vermont and have been supporting Bernie longer than most people.

I don't feel like they truly represent Bernie.

proof you were banned?

Bernie isn't a demogogue. Those of us at WotB are Bernie fans because he's walk his talk and stood for the principles most of us WotB subscribers have always held. When Bernie diverges from those principles, we're gonna call him on it. Supporting Hillary is going to turn out to be an even greater disaster than what many of us tried to tell Bernie at the time. The Clinton domino hasn't fallen yet. The Russia nonsense is going to bite Bernie.

It's pretty hard to get banned from there.

Please let /u/fthumb know when you were banned. The list of banned users is in the single digit range, it's "a thing" at wotb to not ban until very last resort.

They show up nowhere in any turtle or ban list.

They may show up on a bokbok chicken list (they deleted their comment).

(they deleted their comment).

They knew they were busted lying and deleted their comment to cover their tracks. We've seen a lot of people who want to trash us claim to be banned without realizing we don't actually ban people.

r/ChapoTrapHouse (though the Russia infestation has encroached even that sub)

I have found for years that Dore is exactly where I am at with almost everything.

Jimmy on JRE

^ Definitely worth watching.

So the only way he could gain popularity is to hide his hard core liberal tendencies. Really makes you think.

Jimmy ' the young Turks' dore

https://youtu.be/nWs7VUI4gPI

https://youtu.be/LGmnTILNaPM

He certainly looked like a part of the young turks when he spat on Alex Jones' face.....lol

Spitting in someone's face is not only assault, but is disgusting and immature. The victim being a dick is no excuse.

Also his Wikipedia says he still works for tyt.

Jimmy dore is also controlled opposition.

no he is not. you dont even know what that means and you are clearly talking out of your asshole.

Any media organization or personality who takes money from soros is compromised.

Quite simple really.

again, talking out your ass. do a little research before spewing your ignorance.

Do you believe cenk uygur and tyt are controlled opposition and disinformation agents, considering their stated views on soros and tower 7?

Cenk used to work for cnn ffs.

Has it occurred to you that maybe I've done plenty of research about this?

is cenk jimmy dore?

Does Jimmy dore work for cenk?

dude, youre out of your element, go do your math homework and then its bedtime.

It's a simple question.

Call me crazy all you like, but your inability or unwillingness to answer speaks volumes.

alright, i was really trying not to feed the troll... but go look into it. look into the rift between JD and TYT. they are NOT on the same page. JD has his own youtube channel and hes pretty fucking clear about what he thinks and how he differs from cenk. JD is a legit progressive and he doesnt kowtow to anyone, let alone cenk. he is not controlled opposition like you say. and there is a huge problem with people like you spreading straight up FALSE bullshit.

the rift between JD and TYT

doesnt kowtow to anyone, let alone cenk.

This whole 'rift' narrative is horseshit.

It's basically professional wrestling.

Cenk is still his boss. https://tytnetwork.com/2018/03/14/aggressive-progressives-mar-14-2018-2/

Literally the textbook definition of 'controlled' 'opposition'

And as stated before, tyt had adamantly defended and received funding from George soros.

Here he is saying police are worse than isis.

https://youtu.be/ah3d73l9RFE

Certainly fits into the soros / antifa / blm / civil unrest narrative.

And here he is white washing and deflecting with tyt in regards to mass gang rapes in Germany by Muslim refugees.

Don't forget that soros is a big fan of the refugee crisis in Europe and open borders.

“His plan treats the protection of national borders as the objective and the refugees as an obstacle, our plan treats the protection of refugees as the objective and national borders as the obstacle. ”

people like you spreading straight up FALSE bullshit.

Have look in the mirror.

FYI trying to dismiss someone as a troll is an ad hominem and intellectually lazy. It actually weakens your argument not strengthen it.

But honestly, what can I expect from someone who is barely 20.

jesus, so you arent a troll and you really think JD is controlled opposition. got it.

Yep.

Pretty well articulated too.

Anyone who takes money from soros is compromised.

When will you kids learn.

Jimmy Dore is still on TYT. This is a video of Jimmy Dore hosting Aggressive Progressives yesterday.

Been following Dore for years. He represents the rise of left-leaning libertarians. I hate labels, but that's really the only way to explain it. There's a movement of left and right leaning libertarians and freethinkers who agree fundamentally on the wisdom of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These two factions may disagree on some details, but they are on the same page overall regarding who the real enemy is: the amoral, agnostic, and apolitical plutocrats, who only really care about wealth, power, and control.

Now, if only these two factions could get together and form a real coalition, the elites of both political parties would be in serious trouble. I think this is why they're focusing so much on sowing division. United we're unstoppable.

That's why labels are limiting. Call him a left-leaning freethinker then. I based my comment on this quiz: https://www.politicalcompass.org/

I took it and scored as "Libertarian Left". And since I agree with many of his opinions, not all mind you, I made the assumption that he would score similarly.

The point is that there are a lot of people, both on the left and the right who, if they would get together and agree on some basic fundamentals, could form a very powerful coalition to dismantle the current establishment - from both parties.

they are asking if the government should divy up their tax spoils based on who needs to buy child torture victims the most.

Very well said. In a way the painful process of the 2016 primaries was what I needed to be shaken into seeing just how caged we are. There's a movement on the Left rising from the ashes of the Sanders campaign but more radical. We need to find a way to unite with the anti establishment of the right - basically Trump voters in a lot of cases, and take this country back from the technocratic elite. It heartens me to see posts like OP's because it means people are pulling off the blindfolds slowly but surely.

Great show

I have said this in countless threads about this guy, but i will continue to do so.

I do not agree with the man politics one iota, but because he is intellectually consistent and honest, I watch him regularly and find I don't disagree with much outside his political preferences. Amazing how that works...

Right? Adults can disagree on a great many things, and mature people can change their views over time. The politicians and MSM would rather make us fight to the death.

I'm one of those crazy conservatives who likes sharing a country with liberal minds like Dore because I think the push and pull give us a good middle ground.

I miss when the furthest left people were people like Dore, Rogan and Mahr.

Mahr is the best example of why Secular Jews are actually worse than religious ones. his views on israel and islam are just disgusting.

i miss the days when being a moderate in the middle was treated like a good thing instead of being worse than the anti-christ like it is these days.

Yeah, I've been listening to him for a few years. He won't be alive much longer, probably a stroke.

With the exception of healthcare and guns, we have a lot of the same views on things. I am not liberal and I'm not a true conservative as far as religion goes. Single payer could work but the system will collapse before that's allowed to happen. So I'm a realist about it.

He's had serious illness in the past. Talks about it here with Joe Rogan. Could be related to that maybe?

Jimmy Dore spits on Alex Jones

Yup, I can never get past how disrespectful petty and childish that was. " Jimmy" grown man with a child's name, became enraged because Alex walked up and asked the young turks what the hell their problem is, and why all the hate? Just have a discussion man to man about your ideas or reasons why you hate AJ. Whatever you do don't spit in his face then run away limp wristed. https://i.imgur.com/qbpdmcn.jpg

Big Dore fan here. My only suggestion to your post is to change "hard core Liberal" to hard core progressive. Jimmy often and emphatically calls himself a progressive and doing so separates himself clearly from the neoliberal "centrist" liberals (e.g. Blue Dog Dems).

Tried watching his newest episode I think it was.
He basically sat around calling people names for like 10 minutes and I couldn't watch any more. Gave zero information really. Sorry bud. Can't sit around forever waiting for the gems.

i love him because its like listening to my internal monologue, however i can only handle him in small doses because 1) his voice gets really annoying and 2) i just get progressively more angry as i listen to him.

Jimmy isn't "new" or something. There have always been people like him, lefties who know the Democrats are corrupt. The corporate media just pretends we don't exist. Because they protect corruption within the Democratic Party.

Seriously, if you think Jimmy Dore is special, it's because your worldview of lefties has been crafted by the corporate media. I love his videos, he's really funny and informative, but politically, he's not really special. The policies he's in favor of ALL have majority support, whether he be talking about ending cannabis prohibition, ending illegal wars abroad, the need for a third party in US politics, etc. I'd actually say that independent lefties like him are probably the largest segment of the population. Look at how polls show that Bernie Sanders is by far the most popular politician in the country, how do you think that happens? Because independent lefties who hate Democratic Party corruption fucking LOVE Bernie Sanders.

If anyone here likes Jimmy Dore, I'd also recommend Redacted Tonight with Lee Camp. Jimmy does short videos of unscripted material covering current events, and it's great, but Redacted Tonight is a full-on production in the style of a cable news show, covering news stories that the corporate media ignores, all with a biting comedic style. It's like if The Daily Show was good at covering news and was actually funny.

I think often on this. Why would Russia try to appeal to the far left? Their own politics is way off the spectrum in comparison. My thoughts on this question is this. If America started working on our infrastructure and focused on domestic issues, it would allow Russia more freedom to continue on their international ventures with less interference from our government. I like Camp and his political views. I am also far more concerned about our domestic problems than I am with Russia.

These lefties like Dore haven't "always been around"...and to what extent they may have been, well they always folded like a cheap suit and lever-pulled just in time for the corporate Democrat candidates.

So if Dore and Camp keep working at their thing, maybe there will be some new lefties like them in large numbers. But I wouldn't hold my breath. I'm 44 and have never seen lefties like Dore and Camp in any large numbers.

Lee Camp...as above, from Redacted Tonight

It's fun watching Jimmy play catch-up to Alex Jones. He's not there yet, but I suspect something was transferred through the ether when that spit flew through the air...

Dore was the only person from Young Turks who cried foul when Clinton cheated Sanders out of the Democratic nomination.

All the other Young Turks wanted Bernie people to fall in with Clinton.

I respect that he stood his ground. The guys a comedian but he covers issues a million times more thoroughly than mainstream shit 'news'.

Chapo Trap House

I reckon styxhexenhammer666 is better

I think he, like the majority of actual Americans, is a REALIST. He gets that the world is usually different shades of gray, instead of the stark black or white the MSM tries to make us choose between. We need loud voices that will call out 'BULLSHIT' irregardless of whose spewing it. He gets that Democrats vs Republicans shouldn't be treated like some sporting rivalry like the Red Sox vs Yankees because its not. With sports whoever wins, you end up with millionaires holding a trophy/ring. Politics sets the table that the world is forced to eat from for the foreseeable future. If anything politics is really just Pro Wrestling in $10,000 suits. When the cameras start rolling the good guys and the bad guys play their respective parts and tough talk,but when they go backstage they're cozy, hanging out, old pals. They're both working for the same promoter, just trying to get you to buy the PPV. TL;DR.- Politics = Pro Wrestling Kayfabe is dead

Yea, he is tolerable. Quite surprised he hasn't been labelled a "russian spy" yet

i do not follow, sorry.

How in the fuck is saying the Rothchilds control the climate the same as saying fuck all jews? Jesus Christ. I'm sorry but some Jews are so sensitive. Its not like when someone attacks a caucasian person on TV or in the news I get offended just because I'm white. What does their heritage have to do with controlling the weather? Who cares if the statement is crazy or wrong, its not anti-semitic.