Why does google/facebook/twitter hate china when all of these internet giants are enforcing china level censorship?
5 2018-03-14 by Mrexreturns
China blocks google, facebook and twitter from their side and these 3 organizations complained that china is censoring internet freedom all the while they are enforcing CHINA LEVEL CENSORSHIP. Yes, China Level Censorship is the in thing of the internet giants. So why are they complaining about china censoring the internet while they are doing exactly the same?
China pretty much blocked the sites from entering it because it's scared of a color revolution takeover, but the way that the internet giants are acting makes it seem like a hypocritical deal.
25 comments
1 daysOFdelusion 2018-03-14
That is a logical fallacy comparing national policy and policies with those of a profit private corporation.
Being for profit enterprises, naturally facebook, google and twitter want access to the people of China, as potential customers/users.
Being a government that requires an extreme level of oppression, China must control what their citizens know.
1 Otto-von-Bolschitt 2018-03-14
is it? Which one?
1 daysOFdelusion 2018-03-14
Does that mean you don't know the difference between a nation and a corporation?
1 Otto-von-Bolschitt 2018-03-14
do things have to be literally the same thing in order to compare them? (ps seeing how you're a materialist I'm not convinced you know what logic is , Guru)
1 daysOFdelusion 2018-03-14
Here is pretty good list of logical fallicies.
False analogy is number 53.
http://utminers.utep.edu/omwilliamson/engl1311/fallacies.htm
1 Otto-von-Bolschitt 2018-03-14
lol
you'd still have to show that the conclusion is false, which would probably be difficult since by your own words both entities are censoring people for profit
Being a government that requires an extreme level of oppression, China must control what their citizens know. *(for profit,)
well I think that's what that says anyways - your words/thoughts are pretty difficult to follow
1 daysOFdelusion 2018-03-14
I didn't originate the definition of logical fallacy number 53.
It says using two different things to support your argument is a logical fallacy.
The two different things,
private for profit corporation
and the nation of China.
1 Otto-von-Bolschitt 2018-03-14
lol, you're literally using the opposite fallacy from the definition you just posted because you don't know what analogy, logic, or inductive reasoning are
1 daysOFdelusion 2018-03-14
And that says using any analogy is a fallacy, so what are you defending?
When did you become the Guru of logic?
1 Otto-von-Bolschitt 2018-03-14
no, it says according to postmodernists/extreme nominalists all analogical thinking is fallacious. Which, to be fair, you probably are arguing from that (objectively false) perspective.
1 daysOFdelusion 2018-03-14
why do you have so much invested in this argument?
Is it a simple need to get me to capitulate? Must you feel you won? What?
1 R_E_L_A_X 2018-03-14
What's so hard to follow?
Oppression by a government is NOT the same as oppression by a for-profit corporation.
It's obvious that government is higher up in the hierarchy than private corporations. Equating them is a fallacy.
Still confused?
If a government censors something they use every tentacle in media, print, radio, and Internet to follow through. They will also enforce the censorship by policing and encouraging citizens to report breaches.
If a private corporation censors something it's only scrubbed off the corporation's platform. The only enforcement of this censorship occurs on the platform. You can literally get off the platform and either use a different platform or form of communication to bypass the censorship.
1 Otto-von-Bolschitt 2018-03-14
because equating or analogizing two different things is only a fallacy if the conclusion is false, and again even by your own words you say both are "oppressive".
according to people like you if there was a corporation or cartel that owned all media platforms and censored anybody who criticized them it would somehow be fundamentally different than a world government doing the same. But yes, I'm the confused one.
1 daysOFdelusion 2018-03-14
The conclusion is false, It is not hypocritical for private for profit corporations to want to expand their market and control their product.
And the control is needed because, they depend upon advertising and it is not smart for a corporation to be associated with certain kinds of beliefs and attitudes and language.
1 Otto-von-Bolschitt 2018-03-14
my my, I didn't know you were such a hyper-capitalist. It may not be hypocritical for Google and the ChiComs but it sure would seem to be for you. Assuming you actually mean even a fraction of the nonsense you post.
1 daysOFdelusion 2018-03-14
I only stated the current regulatory status of U.S. based corporations and their reasoning, something that came into being in the 80s.
As for my being a capitalist, I am or was ok with a tightly regulated private capitalist system IF very tightly regulated to protect and pay and safety for labor, and with strict environmental protections along with severely enforced laws against corruption.
Something we were close to in the late 60s, but has all been lost due letting our government be bought and paid for and turned into a system of oppression and theft on behalf of the capitalists.
They have no limits and must own everything including us.
1 amdzealot 2018-03-14
Perhaps YOU don't understand what he was saying?
Which is--
1-China has a legendarily high level of censorship in place.
2-Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc. complain about China's censorship.
3-Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc. have their own censorship regime in place wich is similar.
4-Google, facebook, and Twitter are HYPOCRITES when they complain about Chinese censorship.
But hey, maybe that's too hard for someone with a philosophy degree to understand.
1 daysOFdelusion 2018-03-14
I see that to you a corporation and a nation are equal.
1 amdzealot 2018-03-14
Is that what i said, mr. Strawman?
1 daysOFdelusion 2018-03-14
What does that mean in relation to the fact that using a false analogy to make a point is called a logical fallacy?
1 amdzealot 2018-03-14
It isn't an analogy dumb dumb. It's pointing out hypocrisy. Companies criticise censorship (it is not relevant who they are criticizing), then engage in censorship.
1 daysOFdelusion 2018-03-14
It is not hypocritical for a corporation to both want to expand their business, (into China), and want to retain control of their product, it is smart and according to regulations that say they must seek the best return on investment for shareholders.
1 amdzealot 2018-03-14
that's an interesting opinion, but where's the fallacious analogy you were criticizing? You can frame it in different words, but censorship is censorship regardless of who does it or why. If you criticize someone for doing something, then do it yourself, thats hypocrisy.
1 amdzealot 2018-03-14
Thank you for paying so much attention in philosophy class! Society as a whole really appreciates your hard work.
Unfortunately, you're a stupid asshole who can't think, and now have an education that doesn't qualify you for any existing profession. Please continue incorrectly correcting the thinking of others on the internet, however. We need people like you.
1 aleister 2018-03-14
Removed. Rule 10.
1 venCiere 2018-03-14
Bec China is bigger than they are so far.
1 Otto-von-Bolschitt 2018-03-14
do things have to be literally the same thing in order to compare them? (ps seeing how you're a materialist I'm not convinced you know what logic is , Guru)
1 amdzealot 2018-03-14
Perhaps YOU don't understand what he was saying?
Which is--
1-China has a legendarily high level of censorship in place.
2-Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc. complain about China's censorship.
3-Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc. have their own censorship regime in place wich is similar.
4-Google, facebook, and Twitter are HYPOCRITES when they complain about Chinese censorship.
But hey, maybe that's too hard for someone with a philosophy degree to understand.
1 daysOFdelusion 2018-03-14
I see that to you a corporation and a nation are equal.
1 amdzealot 2018-03-14
It isn't an analogy dumb dumb. It's pointing out hypocrisy. Companies criticise censorship (it is not relevant who they are criticizing), then engage in censorship.
1 amdzealot 2018-03-14
that's an interesting opinion, but where's the fallacious analogy you were criticizing? You can frame it in different words, but censorship is censorship regardless of who does it or why. If you criticize someone for doing something, then do it yourself, thats hypocrisy.