what are u trying to say? Hes made by governmentm

u can find many stories who was diagnosed with terminal disease and still lived. Hes not the first one

next we'll get a post of someone who was diagnosed with cancer, told they have 2 more years left and lived 20 more years.

This happens all the time. 1. Doctors can be wrong. 2. Treatment can work better than doctors initially expect. I'm sure there are other possibilities that could be listed here too.

It is strange but not unique. There's a Canadian guy called Steve Wells who was diagnosed in 1980 (at the same age as Hawkins was, strangely).

Now obviously he's not at the 50+ yer mark quite yet.. but he does prove that there are exceptions to the rule.

so you just proved hawkin was unique

I meant that it's not unique to survive past the 3-5 years.

you’re burying the lede. op said he lived from 21 to 76 with ALS. your best example does not cover 50+ years. you then muddy the waters by conflating uniqueness with living past 2-4 years past diagnosis. you either don’t know words or are trying to downplay a significant outlier... for whatever reason

I was pointing out that living past the 'normal' age of survival, was not unique. I didnt feel the need to qualify that since the comment i was replying to had already set up the premise.

So either you took it to mean something which i never intended it to, or you're just being a contrarian.

Either way, you now know what i meant.

But living 10x the normal rate of survival should be abnormal. And cause for questions.

Agreed.

Is he the only person in the history of that disease to live well past the expected lifespan?

And uh, who gains by doing this?

and the critical thing is bedridden and/or wheelchair bound, not very healthy for a fit human, let alone MND patient.

blood pooling , abscesses, sores, pressure points, muscle atrophy. abnormal tissue growth.

hence the low life expectancy of MS MND ALS sufferers.

ALS is a family of diseases and Hawking had a particularly slow moving type.

Hawking had motor neuron disease

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_neuron_disease

And the type he had was a particularly slow moving type.

According to Wiki it was ALS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Hawking

According to the ALS website he had ALS, although interestingly he was not even mentioned on that website until the past couple years. People started to wonder why the most famous ALS victim wouldn't be listed on the website unless it was all bullshit and the ALS foundation knew it.

i saw that before, i believe in a tv report

His Speak n Spell will probably go to the Smithsonian.

Dear Elon,

Launch his chair.

He's a good asset that's been replaced a couple times.

Gotta admit that I thought this theory was nuts… but after looking at the photographic evidence, I'm open to this possibility.

we have a comedian in brazil that was still walking last year, she had for 11 years ... a mother of a friend of mine had for the last 20 years and she is in wheelchair by now, and she was poor(to your standarsds)
i really don't know why you in america believe that ALS will kill people in 3 years.

We are told that so we can shuffle money to not treating it with the broken healthcare system that is place. You get diagnosed with a Terminal illness, the funding stops. Since Hawkings is British, he thrived under the healthcare system of that country.

probably. you know, i believe that in those countries (like Brasil and UK), peoples associations have a role (though minor) in shape our health assistance policies.
my friend's mother was treated with a green clay and had access to many alternative treatments besides the physiotherapy and the medication for a low price or for free. There is no miracle, but there is a sistem to mildly (in Brasil) help those people and those associations are really good in give you acces to services and treatments.

11 years and 20 years are impressive numbers. But realise that stephen hawking easily doubled that.

He was diagnosed in the 60's. 50+ years ago. It's not weird to question it.

Although the life expectancy of a person with ALS averages about two to five years from the time of diagnosis, this disease is variable, and many people can live with the disease for five years and more. More than half of all people with ALS live more than three years after diagnosis.

And yes, I know that it's not unrealistic that people outlive those 5 years. That's why it's called an average .

But other than Stephen Hawking. The longest living person I heard of, with ALS, lived with it for 37 years. Nowhere close to Stephen Hawking.

But other than Stephen Hawking. The longest living person I heard of, with ALS, lived with it for 37 years. Nowhere close to Stephen Hawking.

True. But... Was it rich?

Steven Wells is a day trader with a girlfriend so.... Yes.

ok

Outliers do exist.

I mean read your own wiki. Early onset ALS cases tend to last longer, those 2-8 year typical prognoses make more sense when you realize most ALS kicks in at 50, not 21, so you’re already dealing with a rare form. Also it comes in different forms within that, his form doesn’t appear to have degenerated his intellect at all which implies it wasn’t a severe form, although we just don’t understand the 20K people brain disease that well because it’s complex and rare so not well funded. Also he received excellent treatment, all normal, valid medical explanations.

But also his family and fellow scientists acknowledge he had the same wit and genius throughout his life which would be impossible to fake and way too big of a conspiracy to stay utterly secure. It’s a silly conspiracy but I do applaud anything that isn’t Hillary sacrificing babies to Molloch.

My friends dad has had als for the last ten years. He's slowed down but isn't wheelchair bound yet. It affects everyone differently and Hawking was rich enough, important enough and had enough drive to live with it for as long as he did.

This isn't enough to conclusively say there's some fuckery going on here imo.

Also, we have an actual healthcare system that's free at the point of use in the UK.

It is a simple question: did we ever see evidence of Hawking typing his own words?

The honest answer is: no.

From there, the entire charade unravels, if one is brave enough to dig deeper.

I feel like you're trolling but care to elaborate?

Sure, see my super-popular thread on this very topic.

Don’t bite. This guy is a shill for his own website. He has been banned from crypto currency cites and forums previously for spamming, and inserts himself into conversations on reddit just for an excuse to link to his website. Said website, is hidden behind a 20$/month paywall.

Ive heard that he could have had lyme disease and was mis diagnosed but youd think theyd figure it out over the years

Jason Becker has had it for nearly 2 years https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Becker

2 years

He’s had it for about 28 years.

Yeah I don't know how I managed to write that, meant to write 30

I figured! Happens to all of us now and again, no worries

You said it in your title. "normal". This is obviously not a normal case. It's stupid shit like this that makes me question coming to this sub anymore.

He was misdiagnosed and had a different motor neurone disease.

In the UK, ALS and motor neurone disease are not interchangeable.

There is a very good theory that Stephen Hawking that just died, isn't the original Stephen Hawking and he died a long long time ago.

Why does everyone on here get unlikely confused with impossible? The average lottery player prob makes a loss, but there's a few that have become millionaire's, no conspiracy involved, sometimes things happen against the odds

Hawking was Putin's Puppet!!!

In 2012, Hawking earned a tidy $3 million in cash for winning the Fundamental Physics Prize, part of Russian billionaire Yuri Milner’s Breakthrough Foundation.

(It’s worth noting here, Hawking would later join Milner’s Breakthrough Starshot initiative in 2016. Is there a conflict of interest here? Almost certainly. Has anyone brought it up? Not really.)

Hawkins' lifespan in a triumph of the NHS, so-called "socialized" medicine.

Yes but "Wheels" has wheels so hes able to move faster giving him relatively more time.

Dear Elon,

Launch his chair.