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I dunno, it's almost like there's an ongoing investigation or something...

Multiple confessions... But whatever does not fit your narrative so...

do you think they aren’t still investigating the hacking and collusion?

Has the FBI/DOJ been able to access the DNC computer system? Until that happens, there's no way this investigation can be considered legitimate.

This is bullshit. If you know anything about computers, the FBI never needed to dust off the actual server. It doesn't do anything for them. Getting the forensic evidence is all they ever needed to do.

These are not trivial issues. Sanctions have been lifted, reports are coming out about meddling with our cabinet. Kushner and Trump are peddling access and profiting of the presidency. The Clinton's we're not great people but a Putin backed Trump is significantly worse. If any of you Trump supporters had bothered to read your history books, you would understand that the ex-head of the KGB used tryed and true tactics to undermine our democracy. THAT IS BIG FUCKING DEAL.

But that goes against my narrative?? Shouldn't we be talking about evil Hillary and misunderstanding the nuance when she says public and private positions?

Hillary is no saint. She also is no longer in power. Investigate the fuck out of her too, for all I care. I am significantly more concerned about the current puppet regime in POWER. Who at every turn seems to make, at best, ethically challenged choices and at worst illegal choices.

Yes but like Sessions says when Trump demands him to reopen the case into Hillary, there is not enough evidence to do so. And she's been the target of endless investigations already.

Do you honestly think Jeff Sessions, of all people, would not open an investigation into Hillary Clinton if he had the evidence to justify it? Or is it more likely that he has looked at all the evidence and decided it was not worth reopening. And again, I am more concerned with possible crimes committed by a sitting President, who has questionable connections.

We're on the same page friend.

but he is our friend! way nicer than those FBI jerks /s

Average length of Special Counsels

The average length is 1,154 days.

The White Water special counsel took about 3,000 days.

Thing is, White Water started with a crime.

This "investigation" is a literal witch hunt headed by people complicit in expanding surveillance and supporting the USA's illegal wars, just to name a few things.

Doesn't matter if it was started with a crime or not.

The point is that special counsels or investigations take a long time, and this one is actually moving at break neck speed compared to the rest.

There have been around 16 special counsels/investigations. White Water was just one of them.

And what have they found? Standard shady deals with oligarchs and a troll farm founded by a catering restaurant owner.

On the other hand, anyone who goes against the Establishment is now labelled a Russian agent, including Bernie and Jill Stein supporters.

Have you been to law school? You just saw its only been half the time of the whitewater investigation. They have more people that are felons and cooperating that whitewater ever got. To set up a case, especially against a sitting president, it has to be air tight. So when Mueller brings charges even the biggest skeptics can see the evicidence clearly. If all the collusion charges were shown to be correct and they had evidence would you still believe or no?

Yes, if they have actual, independently verifiable evidence, of which there is none, I will happily accept it.

All I see now is corrupt individuals investigating other corrupt individuals. It started with "he's a Manchurian candidate!" and it's now at an insignificant troll farm founded by a catering restaurant owner and some standard corruption charges.

What we know is only what has been leaked out to the public.

We don’t know everything that they know.

I think there is a reason why Gowdy has done a complete 180 once he saw all the underlying evidence

Again, you are putting your trust in equally corrupt, if not more, individuals in the IC to carry out this investigation, on the hope that they "might" have something, disregarding their track record.

That is absolute madness.

Ok.

It's not madness, it's waiting for the results of an investigation before calling it. Seems pretty simple to me.

This started with a crime. Hacking is a crime.

No it wasn't. It was started with an accusation that was backed with no evidence.

Data stolen from the DNC ending up on Wikileaks is pretty strong evidence that there was a data theft.

Great speculation you got there. Still no evidence of a hack.

You can repeat talking points ad nauseum, but that doesn't make something true.

Whether you believe Russia hacked the DNC or Seth Rich took the files, either way, a crime was committed. This investigation started with a crime.

The word you're looking for is "leak".

"Leaks" which showed election rigging, and other crimes.

But... OMG RUSSHA!!!

If Seth Rich leaked it, it was a crime.

Wait... You're acting like it's a mystery that the guy who's password was... password... got his emails stolen?

And it's good to know that actual election rigging isn't important to you. Only the pretend kind, that months of investigations and millions of dollars can't even verify, let alone prove.

Even if the guy's password is password (and it wasn't, he was using a Gmail account and Gmail doesn't allow you to use "password" as a password), it's still a crime to hack and steal the data.

If your car is taken with your keys in the ignition, is it not auto theft?

What actual election rigging did the DNC commit? There's no proof that they altered votes or registrations, at least not in the DNC file dump. Between the DNC file dump, the Podesta file dump, and what we've learned from other sources, here's what we know the DNC did.

• Used the joint fundraising agreement towards almost solely the benefit of Hillary Clinton.
  
• Used their contacts within the media to publish negative stories about Bernie Sanders, as well as negative stories about Sanders supporters.
  
• Gave Hillary Clinton debate questions in advance.
  
• Altered the debate schedule to favor Hillary Clinton.
  
• Worked with state parties to move primary dates around to put Hillary supporting states' primaries early in the calendar to add to the narrative of her inevitability.
  
• The pied-piper strategy (though that didn't have anything to do with Bernie Sanders or the primary).

None of that is election rigging. Most of it is, sadly and unfortunately, legal. Imo it's a clear violation of Article V Section 4 of The DNC's Charter and Bylaws which states:

In the conduct and management of the affairs and procedures of the Democratic National Committee, particularly as they apply to the preparation and conduct of the Presidential nomination process, the Chairperson shall exercise impartiality and evenhandedness as between the Presidential candidates and campaigns. The Chairperson shall be responsible for ensuring that the national officers and staff of the Democratic National Committee maintain impartiality and evenhandedness during the Democratic Party Presidential nominating process.

Raising money and accepting donations from people who believed that the DNC was abiding by that charter while they were, in fact, not abiding by that charter, might be an example of fraud, but that's a civil case. Corporations and non-profits (The DNC is registered as a non-profit) again, sadly and unfortunately, don't usually have people go to prison over fraud and/or violations of their charter and bylaws.

Oh.. I'm sorry... Let me be super clever and change this password from "password" to... umm... "p@ssw0rd". There. That'll do nicely. It's even recorded in his very own emails, y'know, right here . Don't worry about the link. I know CNN said it's illegal to have these, but I checked with my lawyer, and I think we'll be alright.

If I leave the keys in the car, and my neighbor steals it, do I get extra money for blaming the russhins? I can see why people would get on board with that.

And handwaving around the structure and legalese of the election rigging doesn't make it not election rigging. Isn't it kinda bizarre that we can froth at the mouth about russhin meddling, or something, when we have actual, institutionalized election rigging, which is perfectly legal as last ng as the web of laws, bylaws, and charters isn't penetrated? You'll sit there and rave about Russia's interference, without the slightest worry that our elections were rigged before the russhins even entered the scene.

You seem to think I never said anything about the DNC's bullshit during the primary. You seem to think I didn't just spend paragraphs talking about it today.

Maybe you think we should throw the people who screwed Bernie in prison, just because, but we have laws in this country.

DWS was fired. Brad Marshall was fired. Luis Miranda was fired. Amy Dacey was fired. Donna Brazille is gone. All the top leadership has been removed, and since Tom Perez was named chair, most of the middle leadership has been replaced too. The DNC is pretty much now either new people or elected officials from the bodies of the state chapters. The candidate they cheated in order to help lost. She did not prosper. The public has been made aware of what they did. As a result of what the DNC did, the DNC has pretty much lost most of their donation streams, at least of the small dollar variety, from the most enthusiastic, willing to help, section of their base. They're being sued in several courts for violating their charter & bylaws while accepting donations under that charter.

To what extent the DNC can be held accountable for their actions, they have been held accountable and they are being held accountable.

How much more accountable do they need to be held? What do you think should happen to hold the DNC more accountable before we even start to look at who committed the data thefts?

Do you not understand how long investigations take? Also I didn’t realize you had access to all of the information of said investigation. Please share with us all the evidence.

Sounds like Benghazi.

A government official dying in the line of duty does not a scandal make. Have another multi-year investigation about it, you'll get the same result.

I’m gonna take that as a no you don’t know.

I am taking it for what it is. Opinion. When the investigation concludes and they announce no meddling then you can do you happy dance and chants of they got nothing. Until then all you can do is speculate.

He doesn't understand. Funny thing is, this user likes to say that I'm stupid. 😂

I️ don’t know if it’s a nothingburger buuut Nixon took 3-4 years to finish up the investigation.

Just because you don't give a shit about 20 criminal indictments and Trumps entire cabinet either getting fired or resigning, doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't think anything meaningful has happened since the beginning of this investigation.

How about that Hillary arrest?

Yes, there has been one since the election with no meaningful results.

Is it over? No? Then you don't know what evidence there is, and you won't until it's over. Why are you trying to get people to dismiss it when we don't even have the results? The least you could do is wait and see.

It is almost like the "investigation" is a political witchhunt.

There's even less evidence of that than there is in this investigation.

yet how many times has Clinton been investigated with no meaningful results? And here we are.

To control us and keep us in living in fear.. It's a common trend to have a boogeyman it seems to distract us from what the deep state is actually doing. Also look into the uranium one deal Hilary was involved with. article The hypocracy and neglagence is unbelievable.. but you know uhhhmm Russian collusion!

Ever consider the possibility that Hillary Clinton is that boogeyman, like right here when someone brings her up 18 months after she was last relevant, saying, "STOP LOOKING AT DONALD TRUMP LOOK OVER THERE AT CROOKED HILLARY."

I don't exactly know what you mean, but I do think she is a boogeyman that has powerful connections and being used as a puppet to push their agendas. The fact the she is a high profile women seems indicate she is innocent and people gravitate towards here because of that. Globalist aren't as smart as they think, honestly to me it seems they are outdated by technology and their time is coming to an end.

Are you so easily distracted that someone just mentioning Hillary as a topic of discussion is enough for you to completely lie about how they've presented the facts? Literally no one has said "don't look at Trump" when talking about Hillary except for the people coming into threads about Hillary stating that they find the news distracting. Self-fulfilling prophecy much?

Literally no one has said "don't look at Trump"

That's literally the title of this post.

You are correct, but you're gonna have the usual group of people vomiting something about "muh indictments" even though they had nothing to do with "Russian collusion."

Oh, just look at my recent comment history to figure that out. ;)

Trump has strengthened the global oligarchy even moreso than before. Ask Jeff Bezos how much Trump's policies have hurt his portfolio and continued domination of the marketplace.

It's a common trend to have a boogeyman it seems to distract us

How ironic is this statement lol

Lol, did you even read what you linked or did you just Google Hillary uranium one one and post the first article you found? You're link basically exonerates her.

I just used that article as a reference to what I was talking about you're welcome to do your own research, you can't just believe the first thing you see.

Actually, any uranium one claims of wrongdoing have been thoroughly debunked. You could just read the article to figure that out.

It's just repetition programming. It's to divert from the obvious corruption within our own borders, and point it at an outside bogeyman.

It doesn't matter how silly it is, or how poorly reasoned it is, if it's repeated often enough, people will believe it.

Now say it with me. Spin around in front of the mirror 3 times and say "Bloody russha. Bloody russha. Bloody rusha". Putin will pop out of the mirror to steal your soul and kick your puppy.

It's to divert from the obvious corruption within our own borders,

Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't several people - within our borders - been indicted in relation to this investigation?

Several people, associated with one person, right?

Or did you think they were gunning after Hillary for all her russhin uranium deals, too?

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if she's caught in the crosshairs at some point in this investigation. Washington D.C. is an incredibly incestuous place - it's not like anyone is "associated with one person". Something this sub tends to forget is that corruption hasn't cornered the market on just one political party.

Either way, there is good reason to be concerned with Russia, and anyone thinking we should buddy up with Putin/Russia has been drinking way too much Kool-Aid.

She won't be. I guarantee it 100%. Not a single doubt about it. Neither will Obama, McCain, or any of the other high level feds who played with Russia regularly.

This is all an elaborate shitshow to distract from the corruption we have baked in here at home. If the cnn, fox, and nbc followers here applied even 10% of their "concern" about foreign bogeymen and applied it to our own politicians, then we could actually root out some corruption.

But we won't. Because the teevee and internets is brainwashing people through mindless repetition to fear the evil foreign bogeyman.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Sater

Trump went into the real estate business with this man in 2006, a man who pleaded guilty in 1998 to a stock fraud scheme perpetuated by the Russian Mafia. Real estate is an often used form of money laundering. Guess what year Trump leaked his tax returns? 2005. Coincidence?

Hacked the election! It's like the proof we've been looking for for years!

I'm sure Trump is involved in plenty of shady deals. Deals in New York. Russia. Israel. Other countries too, certainly.

Just like every single self serving, bought out politician we have in Washington D.C.

But you have media induced tunnel vision, and can't see the forest through the trees.

You're minimizing a very real threat because it goes against your bias. All you'll do is downplay any evidence thrown at you and excuse Trump of wrongdoing by saying "all politicians do it." The investigation is valid, and Russia's information warfare is a serious threat.

You're ignoring the forest and trying to light your own fires that fit your agenda.

Minimizing a very real threat? Jesus Christ, our government in D.C. is murdering millions of people all over the planet, overthrowing countries for their own greed, poisoning large swathes of the population, monitoring our every thought, action, and location, and you're gonna sit there and tell me that some potential money laundering setup from 15 years ago is the "real threat". Jesus Christ, people are retarded.

Russia's "information warfare" is completely and utterly dwarfed by anything the U.S. puts out there. Hell, even this conversation is a product of American dis/intel brainwashing Americans through their msm propaganda.

But you keep pretending the problem comes from "over there". The entirety of our own government is rotted to the core, and no amount of russhin hacking , I mean, election rigging , err.. meddling , no... colluding , I mean... whatever it is they're doing to murica, will change the fact that we're under a tyrannical fascist government who will murder anyone who interferes with its petrodollar and state secrets.

and no amount of russhin hacking, I mean, election rigging, err.. meddling, no... colluding, I mean... whatever it is they're doing to muric

Like that, right there. You're trying to minimize it. Russia's information warfare takes many different paths, and you're pretending that the MSM is just jumping from one to another at will making it up, instead of reporting the news that comes out about it.

our government in D.C. is murdering millions of people all over the planet, overthrowing countries for their own greed, poisoning large swathes of the population, monitoring our every thought, action, and location

will change the fact that we're under a tyrannical fascist government who will murder anyone who interferes with its petrodollar and state secrets

You've quickly proven there is no use in arguing with you. I understand our government has flaws, and has done bad things before, but you're just a nut tbh lol. Really? A tyrannical fascist government? Monitoring our every thought and action? I'd love to see what you look like if you could post a picture.

Fuck off imbecile. Our government wages wars all over the world. Not disputable. A tyrannical fascist government, shown by it's weaponized propaganda against it's own citizens, and manipulating both party platforms to the point where there is no anti-war, anti-corruption party. Not disputable.

And yes, the phone in your pocket gives the government all of the information it ever wouldn't need about you. This has been proven , and you're gonna sit there and pretend that I'm the nut. We could exchange pictures, but I have no interest in seeing what a mindless zombie baboon looks like.

Yup, our tyrannical fascist government, where we have no recourse for getting people out of power. Man if only we had the ability to vote, I hate living under the tyranny that is the United States and Hillary Clinton, our shadow president.

Oh yeah and all those wars where they're just murdering millions of innocent civilians and maliciously poisoning them to advance their petro dollar shadow state globalist agenda.

I'm sorry my friend, but you are nut. You are not arguing from a position of reason-ability. Getting back to the forest for the trees adage, you're actually just rolling around and playing with your own feces while the world spins without you.

You are a blind, unthinking fool, who perfectly illustrates everything that's wrong with American citizens. Keep calling me a nut, while you ignore the evil empire murdering people all around the world for the profit of a few people at the top of this pyramid.

I see a lot of shitheads pass through here, so I'm not surprised, but you've managed to become the perfect caricature of the standard American shithead who can't tell where his head ends and his ass begins. Congratulations.

Uh huh, whatever helps you validate your inane opinions bud. What is a shithead to you? Someone that doesn't subscribe to the false reality you're presenting? I'm not ignoring an evil empire, I just understand the nuance that is our foreign diplomacy. Unlike you, who has no reasonable understanding of apparently anything.

Now there's "nuance" to murder on a global scale. High five, dude. You're a real winner. It takes the mystery out of how so many nazis could have excused Germany's actions, several decades ago. Sprinkle a little "nuance" on it, and it smells delicious.

Lol, it always comes around to the Nazis doesn't it.

There's a lot of nuance, to finding the right talking points to appeal to mindless zombies. You guys gobble up that "natzi" shit like it's candy.

Go ahead. Laugh off the shame of being one of those unthinking fools who willingly enables murder on an ongoing massive scale.

"Heh heh". "Chuckle chuckle". Feels good, right? "Lol"

It doesn't feel good to know there are people so lost like you :( but yes some of your stances and arguments can be humorous.

It's obvious who carries the downvote brigades with them.

u/anontifa and u/SJWpussylibtard

How many witness confessions, email threads, confirmed hacking of voting machines, etc. need to be reported for the extreme right to believe this Russian Meddling this isn't just a witch hunt?

This sub used to be where actual conspiracies were talked about, not where political extremists came to deny reality. Can we please get back to JFK, global elitist, 9/11, and the other conspiracies that might actually be valid?

God this is so desperate lol.

I know right, you can practically see the media spinning themselves in a fervor trying to keep a hold on the narrative and spotlight away from their inner circle lmao.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Sater Trump went into the real estate business with this man in 2006, a man who pleaded guilty in 1998 to a stock fraud scheme perpetuated by the Russian Mafia. Real estate is an often used form of money laundering. Guess what year Trump leaked his tax returns? 2005. Coincidence? Donald Jr said around 2011 that a disproportionate amount of their assets were in Russia. Coincidence? These are just the tips of the iceberg that is the Russian investigation. You're foolish to think it's some giant globalist conspiracy.

No one you’d call “the left” (or I guess you’d call them shills, for some reason) wants the spotlight off of Clinton or anyone else on the left.

Equal punishment for all swamp creatures, to include Clinton, and Trump.

Trump is a bit more pressing since he’s, ya know currently holding the office of President of the United States, Commander in Chief of the US Military *

Fox news and npr are part of the ShareBlue/CTR shilling machine too then? Top DHS officials?

You're not a conspiracy theorist, you're a right-wing nutjob. This subreddit is not the place for you

Every head of every department that Trump appointed himself will tell you Russia hacked the DNC and Podesta with the same phishing scam. Why do you think they would lie to you? These are Trumps guys.

Because its all they have. They are clinging on to it for dear life. Even they must realize how ridiculous it all is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Sater Trump went into the real estate business with this man in 2006, a man who pleaded guilty in 1998 to a stock fraud scheme perpetuated by the Russian Mafia. Real estate is an often used form of money laundering. Guess what year Trump leaked his tax returns? 2005. Coincidence? Donald Jr said around 2011 that a disproportionate amount of their assets were in Russia. Coincidence? These are just the tips of the iceberg that is the Russian investigation. You're foolish to think it's some giant globalist conspiracy.

I downvoted you because you're effectively shilling for T_D, and I won't see a cent from anyone.

What a maroon.

You really overplay your hand.

Is the investigation overreaching? Perhaps. Is it turning up far less than was hyped up? Perhaps.

Is it an absolute fake news phony nothingburger distraction bogeyman? No, and when you say it is it comes off as nervous overcompensation.

Hey look, it's left wing hero "anontifa"!

Here to save the day again!

ZE RUSSIANS ARE COMINK!! VE MUST DEFEND ZE REICH!!!

Idk, but,CNN wants to interview my dog. He was eyewitness to president Trump having an affair with dozens of women on top of a building. I asked my dog where in the this happened... He said, roof roof. Film at eleven.

The largest guilty party in regards to meddling in the elections of foreign governments is guess who?

Russia is an amateur compared to????

Since they are the best and greatest nation in history

It seems to be a pre amble for the coming war w Russia & China. We're already at war w Russia, just in Syria. We here about it so much to get our ears peppered w how bad they are; making it easier to sell a war. There's much more to it for sure. Mostly ties to $$$ but it seems greasing us up is part of the grand plan.

It's at 0 upvotes because your post is fucking stupid go back to The Donald.

Because it's controversial and started a bunch of arguments. I've had like ten comments myself but never voted on your post.

I just want the new narrative to start already they are dragging this out for as long as they possibly can

Multiple confessions... But whatever does not fit your narrative so...

Average length of Special Counsels

The average length is 1,154 days.

The White Water special counsel took about 3,000 days.

I don't exactly know what you mean, but I do think she is a boogeyman that has powerful connections and being used as a puppet to push their agendas. The fact the she is a high profile women seems indicate she is innocent and people gravitate towards here because of that. Globalist aren't as smart as they think, honestly to me it seems they are outdated by technology and their time is coming to an end.

Do you not understand how long investigations take? Also I didn’t realize you had access to all of the information of said investigation. Please share with us all the evidence.

I️ don’t know if it’s a nothingburger buuut Nixon took 3-4 years to finish up the investigation.

Has the FBI/DOJ been able to access the DNC computer system? Until that happens, there's no way this investigation can be considered legitimate.

Yes, if they have actual, independently verifiable evidence, of which there is none, I will happily accept it.

All I see now is corrupt individuals investigating other corrupt individuals. It started with "he's a Manchurian candidate!" and it's now at an insignificant troll farm founded by a catering restaurant owner and some standard corruption charges.

Are you so easily distracted that someone just mentioning Hillary as a topic of discussion is enough for you to completely lie about how they've presented the facts? Literally no one has said "don't look at Trump" when talking about Hillary except for the people coming into threads about Hillary stating that they find the news distracting. Self-fulfilling prophecy much?

Just because you don't give a shit about 20 criminal indictments and Trumps entire cabinet either getting fired or resigning, doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't think anything meaningful has happened since the beginning of this investigation.

Hillary is no saint. She also is no longer in power. Investigate the fuck out of her too, for all I care. I am significantly more concerned about the current puppet regime in POWER. Who at every turn seems to make, at best, ethically challenged choices and at worst illegal choices.

Wait... You're acting like it's a mystery that the guy who's password was... password... got his emails stolen?

And it's good to know that actual election rigging isn't important to you. Only the pretend kind, that months of investigations and millions of dollars can't even verify, let alone prove.

and no amount of russhin hacking, I mean, election rigging, err.. meddling, no... colluding, I mean... whatever it is they're doing to muric

Like that, right there. You're trying to minimize it. Russia's information warfare takes many different paths, and you're pretending that the MSM is just jumping from one to another at will making it up, instead of reporting the news that comes out about it.

our government in D.C. is murdering millions of people all over the planet, overthrowing countries for their own greed, poisoning large swathes of the population, monitoring our every thought, action, and location

will change the fact that we're under a tyrannical fascist government who will murder anyone who interferes with its petrodollar and state secrets

You've quickly proven there is no use in arguing with you. I understand our government has flaws, and has done bad things before, but you're just a nut tbh lol. Really? A tyrannical fascist government? Monitoring our every thought and action? I'd love to see what you look like if you could post a picture.

How about that Hillary arrest?

Yes, there has been one since the election with no meaningful results.

Is it over? No? Then you don't know what evidence there is, and you won't until it's over. Why are you trying to get people to dismiss it when we don't even have the results? The least you could do is wait and see.

It is almost like the "investigation" is a political witchhunt.

There's even less evidence of that than there is in this investigation.

yet how many times has Clinton been investigated with no meaningful results? And here we are.