Not an FE believer, but YouTube and sites like it are a place for like minded people to come together to disseminate their ideas that the Corporate Media wouldn't normally allow to percolate.

I think a lot of the conspiracy community communicates via videos, and that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Beat me to it. I am strongly against the Flat Earth disinformation, but using the "you get all your info from YouTube" argument is lazy and intellectually dishonest. I get plenty of high quality information from YouTube. It's not about the medium. It's the content itself and having the research skills needed to discern the gems from the bullshit.

And they usually have a pointless 30 second intro with ominous music.

I'm not a FE'r (I'm a Hollow Eather :) ), but, I'll give my two cents.

You are succumbing to the fallacy of Authority. Meaning, you need to read it in an "established" published paper, or "peer reviewed" journal.

Currently, no one in the academic community would ever publish such works, so, the people "researching" the topic have no other option, really, other than a YT video or video via some other medium (hence why they give you a YT link instead of an academic paper).

Furthermore, people learn things differently. Some are visual/audio, and some learn better via reading. The former doesn't mean they are dumber than the latter, it's just all personal traits. I know many people who "learn from books", but are dumber than a box of rocks.

Anyways, yea... Just because someone gives you a YT vid, doesn't mean they are a shill or dumb, it just means that is the only source really they can relay to you, considering the academic environment.

You are succumbing to the fallacy of Authority. Meaning, you need to read it in an "established" published paper, or "peer reviewed" journal.

That's not what OP is saying. He's asking why they don't link too written sources, period. Written sources are much easier to discuss while copying passages, etc. Much easier to soon over fluff, and much easier to read quietly at work, for instance.

That's not what OP is saying. He's asking why they don't link to written sources, period.

Are you assuming OP's gender identity? I kid, I kid

...Anyways, no, that is basically what OP is implying (fallacy of Authority).

Written sources are much easier to discuss while copying passages, etc. Much easier to skim over fluff, and much easier to read quietly at work, for instance.

That's like... kind of your own opinion, no? What's the difference between me linking to an article and paragraph 3 sentence 2, and @1:59 of video, via the sentence in the audio? Nothing, really. Like I said, some are more visual/audio, while others rather read.

Many YT videos have transcripts, so, maybe the middle grown would be linking both? Although, that does seem a bit redundant, to me... at least.

Hollow earth? Really? Why?

From ancient texts (ie. Agartha, Avalon, Shambhala, etc etc), all the way to Admiral Richard E. Byrd... there is plenty of evidence and accounts, that, the Earth may actually be Hollow .

Can you link us to some of these 'ancient texts'?

Appeal to authority? Do you even know how peer-review works?

As far as I can tell, videos are generally a poor means of communication when discussing concepts like astrophysics and rocket science.

I agree with you. One of the problems is that the majority of people today are terrible at reading, because it requires concentration. This is compounded when reading online, because an infinite array of distractions are never more than one click away.

If you are genuinely interested to learn why some of us have let go of our faith in heliocentrism, this page is a terrific place to start. If you read it closely it will only take about five minutes, and a lot of supporting evidence is also provided.

Those are the supplementary materials, which I explained before you even clicked the link.

The page itself is concerned with the Cavendish experiment, as you rightly note.

The question is simple: do you believe you can weigh Mars with heavy balls in a shed?

It seems to me like throwing mars in there is a straw man and a distraction.

How do you think the mass of Mars was determined?

By taking the mass of the earth

Exactly. The alleged mass of Mars is determined from the alleged mass of earth, which is determined with the Cavendish experiment.

You either do not know what a 'strawman' argument is, or you are being disingenuous.

Either way, please stop it. Let's be civil and reasonable.

Cavendish's experiment seems to have yielded accurate measurements that agree with modern experiments using more sensitive instruments and more sophisticated methods.

This is the line which believers are trained to parrot.

The question is, have you ever seen these 'modern experiments' in action for yourself?

That is the exact same experiment, lol

So these 'modern experiments' are in fact no different to the rudimentary 'balls in a shed' used by Cavendish.

How or why is it more precise?

What does 'more precisely machined' even mean?

And how could you compare it to the one used by Cavendish?

So how did you compare Cavendish' apparatus to your own?

You are making outlandish claims, and I am trying to determine how you might have come to these beliefs.

You are confusing Big G and little g.

That is, your understanding of the physics involved here is so rudimentary it is embarrassing.

The value for little g was known long before anybody thought up Big G.

Big G as in Newton’s constant, right?

Your googling skills are improving!

If the article instead said that Cavendish merely determined the mass of earth, and later experiments determined the mass of mars via other means

The alleged mass of Mars is directly and completely dependent on the alleged mass of earth.

You clearly have not even read through your own link.

I hope that objective readers of this thread can identify the short-circuiting which is going on here.

, i just realized that the link I included doesn’t point to the right page in the publication.

That is because you are engaging in post facto argumentation i.e. rather than reconsider your belief, you are cherrypicking google links to support your preconceived notions.

People do it all the time, normies and conspiratards alike.

If you are genuinely interested in learning and growing as a person, you will revisit your own beliefs before trying to post facto argue them.

Have you taken at least a few moments to reconsider your opinion on this topic?

Be honest.

No

At least you are honest about it.

The link step2thejep supplied is produced by him. He is here to shill his paid website as he is john le bon. He has already been banned from the cryptocurrency sites. He was told to stop doing this by the mods. He is not acting in good faith.

He claims to be the world's leading skeptic. Most of his claims are routed in that he does not understand basic scientific concepts and his standard of proof is he has to see something with his own eyes.

He moves goal posts, attacks people on this sub, all the while never actually elucidating what he believes because that would be giving away for free the genius he offers on his website for $20+ month.

He simply is not acting in good faith.

I read the contents of the page you linked. The short of it is this guy is basically saying “look at this ridiculous claim, can you believe how ridiculous it is? How can anyone believe science!?!” The author doesn’t really say why, he just finds it silly that an experiment conducted so long ago would be accurate. Let’s not forget the countless ancient scientists, physicists and mathematicians that have formed the basis for almost everything we do in modern life, way before the experiment mocked in the linked page.

he just finds it silly that an experiment conducted so long ago would be accurate

Do you find it believable that a person could weigh Mars with heavy balls in a shed 200 years ago?

You miss my point. You provided a link as a “great place to start”, but the author does nothing to help the reader understand why he thinks it’s unreasonable. All he does is mock people who believe this experiment.

When somebody tells you they believe in fairytales, do you try to reason with them?

If the author is not trying to explain to people why he feels the experiment is not correct, what is the point of writing the article and what is your purpose in linking people to it?

Seems to me that the Cavendish experiment is like a litmus test.

If somebody can't identify the obvious problems with it for themselves, then there is no hope for them.

They might as well go back to watching the news and drinking soda.

The link step2thejep supplied is produced by him. He is here to shill his paid website as he is john le bon. He has already been banned from the cryptocurrency sites. He was told to stop doing this by the mods. He is not acting in good faith.

He claims to be the world's leading skeptic. Most of his claims are routed in that he does not understand basic scientific concepts and his standard of proof is he has to see something with his own eyes.

He moves goal posts, attacks people on this sub, all the while never actually elucidating what he believes because that would be giving away for free the genius he offers on his website for $20+ month.

He simply is not acting in good faith.

This makes much more sense. Thanks.

The only guy I have ever seen trying to use arithmetic while discussing flat earth is that beardy guy. I will post a link after I eat.

But he is kidding! He is using this to make people see math. Just like a flat earth society member you may meet in the flesh, the twinkle in the eye is a giveaway that it's a LARP.

Similar to the math problem of the missing dollar in a refund. Math has rules if you don't follow them you may come to a wrong answer. Like the world is flat.

Were you thinking of Brian Mullen an Engineer that had a YT channel called Balls Out Physics ?

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqTvm5jDjptlE-18Njd562ZjXvqOn-TLE

Rumor has it that he's a large part of the FECore but again that is just a rumor. Supposedly...he was in the middle of getting married, buying a house etc when he started researching FE. There was some push-back or threats (?)to his Engineering Lic. Fast forward to fall 2017...the insanity that hit FE prior to their 1st conference was bonkers. Brian did not attend the FE Conf.

That's the guy I meant. He is kidding. He won't break character but many of the things I have seen him discuss are simple algebraic logic.

The east/west north/south runways and the speeds while going over the poles in particular.

Cannot say myself that he was kidding or not - nor can I verify that he's still part of FE.

He knows enough math to know the errors in what he is saying. He is using a trick or mistake in math.

A simplified version is the 3 guys renting a hotel room.

The trick in this is the order of operations. There is not a free dollar and the earth isn't flat.

He's not kidding. It's a born again Christian due to discovering the earth is flat and all the other lies. It's in the "scientsiim exposed" documentary around 1:08:20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeIGrEtPMmE

Thank you for the link. People are so quick and certain to judge, our human nature but Brian stepped away for his own reasons - he owes me nothing in way of an explanation one way or another.

His maths are supposed to be mind benders or like cheap parlor tricks?! I don't want to see an attack if another person chooses not to provide a direct example of Brian using bad maths ...why should I bother?

There's so much that we're being lied to about and we're spending millions per day dicking around with Space Cars and Wars!

Space Cars and Wars!

Yup I think it's all leading to the big climax which will have something to do with faking aliens. Probably a duality of good and evil aliens. In the future we will have trans-human cyborgs and new age astral projecting neo-sorcerers battling some made up alien threat in their mind's eye or in some VR construct until the Antichrist comes to "save" them all.

Please take another look at the King James Bible. Everything in it is the truth!

Dan_2:41  And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

Clay is used as "potter's clay" as in humans creation.

Rev 13:16  And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:  Rev 13:17  And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

This mark is probably going be some future version of this using a one world crypto currency:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTBJ6OIGkzc

You can get saved by repenting and beliveing the gospel of Jesus Christ at any time:

1Co 15:1  Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;  1Co 15:2  By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.  1Co 15:3  For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;  1Co 15:4  And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

He already paid for our sins with his blood. All the conspiracies in the world (real and fake) are there to distract you from this.

Yup I think it's all leading to the big climax which will have something to do with faking...

I'm not convinced our society will advance that much further before the Awakening hits a good stride, just my opinion.

I've only been reading the Bible for a few months now and that quest was instigated by some Christians that came here but wouldn't/couldn't defend "their ANGRY G_D" against some strong Atheist.

Now when I plopped down that G_D was possibly using some Super Natural High Tech Energy Weapons (at Jericho etc) those fainthearted Christians scrambled like cockroaches in the light.

POOF!

Do you think that they wanted to talk about the gnarly creatures that were inside the Walls of Jericho? Nope. They had no clue what Jericho was/is according to their Bible - just a Sunday School Song they learned when they were tots in Sunday School. Yep. Still on milk but they read their Bible by golly.

Do you have any Idea what is missing from your KJV? Which year was your book Published? Does it have the word Holocaust in it - like 150 times? Because yep, the word Holocaust was in that book way back in the day but they took it out. Why? How many books are in your Bible that include Enoch and Jasher?

Why do the Pastors, Priests and religious folk skip over Enoch? That dude was so incredibly important to G_D that he was the very first one to be taken but to where? He didn't go up into Heaven did he?

How about Moses? Do you know where he got his staff from? Why didn't Moses get to go into the Promise Land after all he had been thru?

Jesus was pretty squared up with Conspiracies I'm 100% certain!

Man you got a lot there. I will try to get to this with my thoughts when I have more time later tonight.

Cool. Just for clarification I was the Agnostic in the bunch between the Christians and the Atheists - if it matters as you mull your thoughts.

First let me just say I didn't believe in God or the Bible or anything really until after I found the whole "outer space is fake" conspiracy to be true as well as the spinning ball is a lie. So that stuff came first. I also started seeking God as soon as I realized there must be one. I was led spiritually to Jesus Christ as well as the King James Bible. There is plenty of evidence for why it is the pure word of God but it's mostly spiritually discerned after salvation.

I'm not convinced our society will advance that much further before the Awakening hits a good stride, just my opinion.

I think the "awakening" is being led by the light side of Lucifer's dialectic. He controls both the yin and the yang, the light and the dark magic. Both sides are in rebellion against God but we view the light side as good. This is pushed to us by Hollywood in the various movies like Star Wars, Harry Potter, anything with the light/dark duality concept. He is very slowly waking people up to his dark side so that it can be crushed by the Antichrist leading the "light side" rebellion against a false Antichrist. The real Antichrist will be riding a white horse, wearing a crown, and have supernatural power. He will likely look like the Catholic depiction of Jesus and loved by "the world."

Rev 6:1  And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.  Rev 6:2  And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

I've only been reading the Bible for a few months now and that quest was instigated by some Christians that came here but wouldn't/couldn't defend "their ANGRY G_D" against some strong Atheist.

Now when I plopped down that G_D was possibly using some Super Natural High Tech Energy Weapons (at Jericho etc) those fainthearted Christians scrambled like cockroaches in the light.

POOF!

Do you think that they wanted to talk about the gnarly creatures that were inside the Walls of Jericho? Nope. They had no clue what Jericho was/is according to their Bible - just a Sunday School Song they learned when they were tots in Sunday School. Yep. Still on milk but they read their Bible by golly.

Are you talking about when Joshua took down Jericho following the word of the Lord? I believe it was simply the supernatural ability of God. Since I got saved after discovering flat earth and fake outer space it removes any ancient Alien tech conspiracies for me.

Do you have any Idea what is missing from your KJV? Which year was your book Published?

1. I know we are told by the mainstream conspiracy world that there were book removed. I however believe most conspiracy theories are actually disinfo. Take the dead sea scrolls for instance. They were supposedly dug up and it was plastered all over the Main stream media. Anything pushed by the MSM is deception.

Does it have the word Holocaust in it - like 150 times? Because yep, the word Holocaust was in that book way back in the day but they took it out. Why? How many books are in your Bible that include Enoch and Jasher?

Holocaust is in it zero times. Enoch and Jasher are not inspired books. I think they are like any good disinfo. They have 80% truth and 20% deception. Jasher I believe is more of a historian anyway so it's not claimed to be inspired. I think those books are interesting to glean some ideas but anything that contradicts the KJV needs to be thrown out.

Why do the Pastors, Priests and religious folk skip over Enoch? That dude was so incredibly important to G_D that he was the very first one to be taken but to where? He didn't go up into Heaven did he?

It's not believed to be inspired as I mentioned above. It is Gnostic text that was written after the OT.

It doesn't really say where he went. It said he was translated and that "God took him." He could have placed him in Eden awaiting the atonement of Jesus Christ. It's impossible to know. He could have gone to the 3rd Heaven if God made a major exception as Enoch is a picture of the Church/Body of Christ being translated (caught away aka Rapture) before the time of Jacob's trouble where God saves the remnant of Israel (Noah and the ark). Perhaps he went to Eden. It just doesn't tell us.

How about Moses? Do you know where he got his staff from? Why didn't Moses get to go into the Promise Land after all he had been thru?

We don't know where he got the staff from based on the KJV. It appears it was his before the Lord commissioned him and then the Lord started using it for signs.

As for why he didn't enter the promise land:

Num 27:14  For ye rebelled against my commandment in the desert of Zin, in the strife of the congregation, to sanctify me at the water before their eyes: that is the water of Meribah in Kadesh in the wilderness of Zin.

Deu 32:51  Because ye trespassed against me among the children of Israel at the waters of Meribah-Kadesh, in the wilderness of Zin; because ye sanctified me not in the midst of the children of Israel.

This seems to be because Moses did not obey the Lord. He was told to speak to the rock in from of the Israel and it would bring forth water:

Num 20:8  Take the rod, and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and speak ye unto the rock before their eyes; and it shall give forth his water, and thou shalt bring forth to them water out of the rock: so thou shalt give the congregation and their beasts drink.

But Moses gave the rock a smack down instead:

Num 20:10  And Moses and Aaron gathered the congregation together before the rock, and he said unto them, Hear now, ye rebels; must we fetch you water out of this rock?  Num 20:11  And Moses lifted up his hand, and with his rod he smote the rock twice: and the water came out abundantly, and the congregation drank, and their beasts also.  Num 20:12  And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.

Basically when the lord tells you to do something, one needs to think like a lawyer and do exactly as he says. I recall a verse about a prophet who doesn't obey and gets killed by a lion for it.

Jesus was pretty squared up with Conspiracies I'm 100% certain!

Jesus is God and literally the truth so yeah he's the end of the rabbit hole!

Joh_14:6  Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Joh_10:30  I and my Father are one.

If you believe in God and pray to him asking to the shown the truth and earnestly seek him you will find it's Jesus Christ.

Jer_29:13  And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

Whew! I'm working on a reply...it might be very difficult to top your very thoughtful in-depth response!

Having not been raised in or around a Christian or religious home, my few experiences with manmade religion were unsettling. Suffice to say, I’ve always had a spiritual nag and I’m sure I do not need to pin down where it takes me... In the long run I always end up where I’m supposed to be in the exact moment that I’m supposed to be there.

Starting out, I’m not easily persuaded by so called learned speakers, voices of Authority nor by whimsy or fantasy .At the same time I’ll listen and discern and yes, I’ll listen to correction! I’m stubborn and very much a contrarian - always digging, exploring, turning things every which way until I’m satisfied or momentarily content. Seeking, always learning, looking up!

It upset me that the Christians that really didn’t want to defend G_D over Jericho also didn’t want to learn more about what was within the very walls of Jericho. Atheists eat that stuff up because all they have to do is say ‘this god is a maniacal, genocidal, murderous god’ without feelings . When I said Super Natural I did and do mean G_D but more so that the Walls were torn down by the faith of the faithful with an extra big charge from *G_D! The faithful were very obedient in executing the instructions and G_D throws in with some extra reinforcement!

So, I have been working (for about 8 years…) on Tesla Vibration/HAARP Theories, Tunguska as well as Rods of GOD and many more scattered World Cataclysmic events when I thought I should explore more closely some of the stronger religious texts. This took me to the Bible which took me to Jericho. Those walls were huge and they were wide and given the massive stone architecture of the surrounding areas, we’re not talking about a shoddy cobble stone structure – right? Well I really had to dig and dig. Found it in the Book of Jasher.

The New Testament isn’t enough for a Christian to lean on, IMHO when faced with the arguments of this very angry G_D verses Jesus. The OT doesn’t clearly explain what was going on with the Flood, Jericho etc. Okay. Just trust me right? Does it matter much that the KJV first sentence is a singular Heaven? Does it much matter that few Milk Toast Pastors will ever preach about the Fallen Ones coming down and not only having sex with the women but with all manner of animals? The Men of Old? Meh.

So, Enoch was Seventh from Adam and his son Methusala flipped out when Noah was born – do you know what grandpa told that father? Do you know what Noah looked like? You’ll have to research that on your own because it is cool! So we have three very unique men right out the gate. Enoch is running around telling the baddies to straighten up – he’s preaching to these creatures ! Noah is building an Ark and the people are laughing but Noah was an Odd one right from birth!

Enoch is out and about** walking with G_D* ! He’s getting Round Trip Air Fare to go back and forth between the Heavens, the Earth and Hell! He gets very busy and he writes over 360 some books – where did those books go? Some say they were buried in a rock pillar? Think Pyramid? But we might also suppose that they were sealed up and put on the Ark…Do you know how one of the Fallen Angels was punished for *teaching writing to the others?

Now as far as modern Christianity is concerned they don’t want there to be Super Titan type Giants – nope the tallest any Giant ever could have been was Goliath, right? That isn’t what your Bible really says and it certainly isn’t what Enoch said. Enoch said he was writing his book for a FUTURE time for when things are as bad as they were for Noah? What? Yep! It was going to be that bad again but only worse because the Giants didn’t have Jesus but we do…yep Enoch wrote about Jesus and that is why he’s not preached much. Why would that be? Satan is pretty tricky, yes? Enoch was taken but to where? I speculate he’s in charge of the vast Antarctica but you’ll have to read Enoch to find out why!

Now Jasher, Jasher also saw some stuff. His name is in the Bible too! He wrote about a messenger that ran so fast and so light of foot across the tops of the corn stalks but not a single ear was bent as soon as I read/saw that I thought of Crop Circles ! Why? Because we’re talking about Creation and G_D should get the credit for these Miracles – right? Now Jasher best explains Jericho and the creatures that were inside those walls. They were literally crushed up inside the walls. Worse than that? There were some un-godly creatures inside those walls! But wait! Weren’t they destroyed in the flood? Did you know…That Sword in the Stone Fairy Tale comes from Moses when he was a grown man? Gotta read Jasher to find out more about Moses!

So there’s one very strong group of People that never let go of their Bible. They beat the Vatican back? Yes, they did! The only way that happens is G_D! Yet, we’re told that these books that came out of the Dead Sea Scrolls are no good? Only problem is this cluster of People have ALWAYS had the Books of Enoch in their Bible! So why shouldn’t we be reading them?

Enoch ++ and the Ethiopian Orthodox Church? They pretty much told the Vatican to take a hike!

http://www.ethiopianorthodox.org/english/canonical/books.html

He could have gone to the 3rd Heaven if God made a major exception...

The KJV first sentence is a SINGLE HEAVEN. In all other books it is indeed Plural HEAVENS...yes the KJV had changes. Yes the KJV used the word Olah 150 times which is the Hebrew word for Holocaust.

Were there significant changes to the KJV?

https://bible.org/article/changes-kjv-1611-illustration

Olah: Its traditional name in English is "holocaust",[3] and the word olah has traditionally been translated as "burnt offering” … https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burnt_offering_(Judaism)

Olah from the Blue Letter Bible:

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?t=kjv&strongs=h5930

Compelling read of the history - between the Tyndale Bible and the KJV:

https://www.wayoflife.org/database/history_of_the_english_bible_Tyndale_kjv.html

Was “Jesus” the name in the 1611 KJV? When did the “J” become incorporated into written language? http://www.everlastingkingdom.info/article/255/

Is the New Cepher Bible dangerous?

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/beware-of-the-new-hebrew-roots-cepher-bible-translation/#!parentId=1364600

Secular use of the word Holocaust/holocaust…

http://www.berkeleyinternet.com/holocaust/

The KJV first sentence is a SINGLE HEAVEN. In all other books it is indeed Plural HEAVENS

I fully believe there is a gap between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2. These things can be found by studying scripture and comparing it with other scripture. God created Heaven which is everything above the earth (terra firma, not planet which s just a wandering star). Between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2 Lucifer was the anointed over all of God's creation.

Isa_14:13  For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

Notice he already had a throne on earth when pride was first found in him. There are a ton of other proofs for this.

Whatever happened caused God to flood everything. It was a flood that even flooded all of heaven. Gen 1:2 is after this flood when he rebuilt everything and create two areas of heaven below him.

Gen_1:20  And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

This shows that where the birds fly is also "heaven" but it's in the open expanse between the Earth (terra firma) and the hard firmament we can't pass.

Job_37:18  Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?

Gen 1:6  And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

Above that is the 2nd heaven where Lucifer (Leviathan) now swims around in the deep and spiritually rules over Earth due to Adam's fall.

I agree most Christians don't know how to properly defend things in the OT because most Churches deny it or say "that was for then" which that is not true at all. They have no idea how WICKED those giants were. They were doing things that people can't even imagine like burning children inside of idols and God knows what else.

The other problem with modern "churches" (the Church is actually just the body of Christ aka the saints/born again believers) is that they have been fully deceived by science falsely so called.

1Ti_6:20  O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

Because of this they cannot defend the Bible properly. They have to debate within the confines of a false reality that Lucifer has spun all around them. It makes their arguments seem foolish to atheists and agnostics who are also stuck in that false reality. For them, that needs to be torn down first as it was for me.

There is a lot to glean from the apocryphal books but I personally choose to keep my mind clear of them. I stick to the inspired text that deals with salvation and instructs us on how to get other people saved. We are trying to get people on the ark if you will which is inside Christ Jesus. There will be plenty of time to learn the truth about absolutely everything once we are free of this cursed flesh.

1Co_13:12  For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

It sounds like you have done a ton of research. I hope that you will pray to God asking him to show you the truth. If you know he's there and seek him, he will reveal himself to you.

Isa_14:

Here Lucifer and the Physical King of Babylon are being mocked in a Prophecy of Isaiah. Lucifer has dominion but no throne. The human King of Babylon actually sat on a Throne but is thrown away with no grave or ceremony...

f. I will: The pride, the grasping selfish ambition, the self-will of the king of Babylon is powerfully expressed in five I will statements. This is the essence of the self-focused and self-obsessed life.

i. I will ascend into heaven: "Heaven will be my home and my place of honor."

ii. I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: "I will be enthroned, and will be exalted above all other angelic beings."

iii. I will also sit on the mount of the congregation: "I will sit in the place of glory and honor and attention."

iv. I will ascend above the heights: "I will continue to rise, even in heaven, until all see me in my bright shining glory."

v. I will be like the Most High: "I will be glorious, and be set equal to God, far above all other created beings."

vi. We see in these statements not so much a desire to exalt one's self above God, but the desire to exalt one's self above one's peers. From this passage, it seems that Satan's desire was not so much to be above God, but to be honored and regarded as the highest angel, above the [other] stars of God, receiving the glory and attention one would receive being next to God, equal with God, like the Most High. We don't have to want to be exalted higher than God to be like Satan. It is enough to want to be exalted above other people!

vii. Lucifer was certainly a glorious angel (day star, son of the morning, and also called the seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty … the anointed cherub who covers in Ezekiel 28:12 and 14). Yet, there came a time when despite all his beauty and glory, he departed from the heart of God by wanting to exalt himself above his peers. Instead, the heart of Jesus says, "The status of equality with God is not something to hang on to. I will let it go. I will give up My reputation, be a servant, live humbly among men, and even die an excruciating and humiliating death." (Philippians 2:5-8) When Lucifer departed from this heart, he fell from glory.

viii. "It is a strange paradox that nothing makes a being less like God than the urge to be his equal, for he who was God stepped down from the throne of his glory to display to the wondering eyes of men the humility of God." (Grogan)

g. What prompted Satan's desire to exalt himself above all other creatures? What prompted the five I will statements?

i. Why did Lucifer rebel? Perhaps because he rejected God's plan to create an order of being made in His image (Genesis 1:26), who would be beneath the angels in dignity (Hebrews 2:6-7a; 2 Peter 2:11), yet would be served by angels in the present (Hebrews 1:14; 2:7-8; Psalm 91:11-12) and would one day be lifted in honor and status above the angels (1 Corinthians 6:3; 1 John 3:2). Satan wanted to be the highest among all creatures, equal to God in glory and honor, and the plan to create man would eventually put men above angels. He was apparently able to persuade one-third of the angelic beings to join him in his rebellion (Revelation 12:3-4, 7, and 9).

ii. If this is the case, it explains well Satan's present strategy against man: to obscure the image of God in man through encouraging sin and rebellion, to cause man to serve him, and to prevent the ultimate glorification of man.

https://www.blueletterbible.org/Comm/archives/guzik_david/studyguide_isa/isa_14.cfm

I do not understand how you conclude a time fold between Gen. 1:1 and Gen. 1:2 Could you please clarify with a Commentary that is used by Pastors or Teachers?

This guy explains it very well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki6XFfEmDVs&t=

That is a lot to take in...I'll be back in a day or two! Very interesting!

Dr. Kim seems rather hyper militant but I ask in all sincerity, why he and others will declare Literal Words of God and then dismiss the specific words that the Hebrew supports? Some of these words rather make the case for FE stronger and then out the other side of the translation picking and choosing . He's kinda doing the same thing. Flip flopping a bit.

He also dismisses Enoch etc too quickly for my comfort as I had said and many others much more learned have stated that the Ethiopian Bible has never been tampered with or altered. There are some Conspiracy Theories that they have the Ark hidden away in that same township!

I'm not going to put stock in the translations of the extra books that are available but rather use them as supportive tools. I wouldn't be this far along without FE, Dr. Judy Wood and Enoch - especially if I acted like a fool that knows and swears by everything I trip across or by tripping other people up on my path!

Conspiracies of Rothschild, Mandela, FE etc. at about 35 min. mark…he explains his position on FE rather vaguely. He also seems to kinda half imply that it's okay for him to look at conspiracies but suggests his flock shouldn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYx1-tF_R_M

Conspiracy of Jerusalem, Trump and the Jesuit Pope https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JICZHzk0pR4

Mutants, Aliens and Angels at the 7:00 mark?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tPdBovUQEM

Watched all of the above and several other Pastors. Gave some attention to the FE Pastor and his Three Earths Gap Theory. I really kinda like this guy!

Charles Lawson:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3J6YE5gZrk

and also Robert Breaker (not a FE'r as far as I know...) but on A Gap Theory:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4bZ5bVt660

So...as regards the Gap that is very compelling theory. I didn't understand how he explains Noahs flood and I went looking and couldn't find his teaching on that. I had heard others skip over the REPLENISH part enough times that I've almost torn my hair out but a Gap makes it work! Even so...left me with many more questions too!

Gene Kim simply believes the KJV is the final authority so there isn't much need to go to the Greek or Hebrew though he seems very educated on that. There is so much in the KJV down to the capitalization of certain words. In the end is comes down to spiritual discernment for me. I've had the KJV confirmed in my heart. Not sure how else to explain it.

I don't know what Gene Kim thinks about FE. I know he's looked at it and basically won't tell anyone what he thinks. He probably doesn't want to it get in the way since it's so controversial. I get the idea that he finds it compelling personally. He does not have a problem teaching controversial things though. You might like this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsdNB2pKCOM&t=

I like Charles Lawson as well. He's not Flat Earth though. He has specifically preached against it. Someone kept putting videos of him up calling him "flat earth pastor". Not sure what's up with that. I used to watch Breaker but something was nagging me about him and I stopped. Can't put my finger on it but when that happens I just abandon ship. He teaches a lot of Ruckman's stuff so I liked him. Peter Ruckman's preaching is what really opened my eyes right after I got saved.

When I hear someone waffle on the Literal Words my neck hairs stand up.

Lawson did preach a number of sermons on FE, 9/11 etc before he had his surgery - I know because I watched them.

At any rate - you're obviously much further along in what you've cemented in your heart and I'm making my way!

Seek and ye shall find!

This is the Lawson vid I had seen recently. Not sure if he changed his mind or what:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ2J3maDXXg

Just in case I want to copy here a salvation message I wrote to someone recently in case it helps you or anyone else. This is really the most important thing to come to understand in our life:

Every single one of us are sinners and all good we do is nothing to God:

Rom_3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Isa_64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Repenting is just changing your mind about what you think of yourself, what you think of sin, what you think about God.

2Co_7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

The law existed to expose what sin was and to show us that none of us can keep it.

Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Jesus Christ is the Word of God who is God who came in the flesh:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Jesus Christ had the fulness of the Godhead bodily (Godhead is the real word, not the Catholic trinity)

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Jesus Christ the man is the son of God but his deity side is God the Father.

He was both man and God.

Joh_10:30 I and my Father are one.

This is hard for us to understand but it is a GREAT MYSTERY. Nobody understands how God works or how he can be Jesus and the Father and the Holy Ghost and all that. Don't get caught up in it. He is God and he is the only God. Anyone claiming to understand exactly how it works is deceived or lying.

1Ti_3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

All you need to do to be saved is repent and believe the Gospel which is:

1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

The wages for sin is death but Jesus died for us and was resurrected to pay the price we owe:

Rom_6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Jesus Christ died the most horrible death you can imagine.

He did is for YOU personally. He did all the work for you. His blood washes you clean. There is nothing you can do to save yourself. You can only be saved by believing the above gospel. Once you are saved you have Jesus Christ's perfect righteousness:

Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Simply cry out to the Lord in the best way you know how telling him you understand all of this and you know what he did for you. Then he will send you the Holy Spirit!!!!

Rom_10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Once you are saved, you cannot lose your salvation in this dispensation. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise:

Eph_4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

God spiritually circumcises your soul from your flesh so when your flesh sins, it no longer pollutes your soul:

Col 2:10  And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:  Col 2:11  In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

Starts @ 16:45 and says that he's thinking/debating on it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkGm0rcxCBU&t=39s

Then in Sept. 19th 2016 Sermon he really preaches against TPTB in a heavy sermon that goes all the way into Conspiracy hole hog - that he's been told to watch what he preaches! marches right into Zionist agendas of TPTB, Palestine, 501 (3)c ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-tIJFi5E0c

"HEAVEN" one heaven in Genesis 1:1 listen to him preach how the Hebrew word works there!? Which word is the literal word? Do we get to pick and choose?

That's the problem with going back and trying to understand it in Hebrew. The KJV says "Heaven" so that's what it is. Simple for me.

He created a singular heaven. Then after Lucifer's rebellion and 1/3 of the angels falling he reset everything with a massive flood that went all the way up to his throne. After a massive flood (pre-Adam) he created a couple firmaments and split heaven into 3 parts. The expanse that separates the water's above from the waters below (atmosphere) with some kind of unknown barrier between, the waters above (the deep) and at the top of that is the crystal sea. Above the frozen crystal sea is his throne where he sits in the 3rd heaven. He also created Hell at some point (prepared for the Devil and his angels)

That's what I make of it so far at least. I view where we are (earth and 1st heaven) as the last stop right before hell. We are where the worst misfits are like Escape from New York. And Lucifer is the guy ruling Manhattan. Of course in that movie they make a guy named "snake" come in and try to free people which is the whole Luciferin lie. He tries to make God out to be the evil prison warden and he's the one who is going to free us. That's all over entertainment with shows like Westworld and the like.

I imagine when it was just a singular heaven Lucifer and the sons of God were able to fly up and down as they pleased. Lucifer had the role of covering the throne of God during worship. It was probably a world like the movie Avatar with massive trees and whatnot. Who knows really? They love showing us bits of truth in fiction though.

That's the problem with going back and trying to understand it in Hebrew.

Isn't Elohim Triune? Who is the "Us" if not that? So yes, one Heaven and then after the Gap it's all properly split/divided?

It's the original language given to the Jews - are you saying the Hebrew isn't also God breathed The Word? How about Isaiah 53? Isn't that standard Messianic text?

I quit TV around 98-99 (selective about what I view...) but I do know what you're referencing here!

This stuff is frustrating and complicated.

Yeah the "us" is the Godhead (God, his Word, his Spirit). That's still part of the great mystery of godliness.

Yes I believe Isaiah 53 is the best text to try to show Jewish people to try to wake them up but many are blind:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGz9BVJ_k6s

I believe the Hebrew was still in the process of being purified:

Psa_12:6  The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

After much refinement came out the KJV. I believe there are many red herrings around it to try to turn truth seekers away from it. I think God can be found in many different versions and people can get saved in all sorts of different ways. I got saved without owning a Bible. I just think if you want the deepest understanding then it's about studying every word of the KJV. That's where the meat is at.

Here is a good example and I have idea idea how the hebrew works out with this. But the KJV talks about the Mark of the best being "in" the right hand or forhead. It's the only one that does as far as I know. 400 years ago that made no sense yet they still used "in." Modern versions change it to "on".

Rev 13:16  And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:  Rev 13:17  And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

So this mark goes in the hand or forehead and has to do with buying and selling.

Just look at the modern world and the rise of cryptocurrencies and combine that with this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTBJ6OIGkzc

All of a sudden it starts to look like the KJV was right all along about it being "in."

As far as the forehead I think about the "neural lace" stuff and all the eye tech that is being sold to us in sci-fi movies.

"Forehead" can also be talking about the frontal lobe of the brain that effects our morality and decision making:

Jer_3:3  Therefore the showers have been withholden, and there hath been no latter rain; and thou hadst a whore's forehead, thou refusedst to be ashamed.

Mullen quite straightforwardly presented how the fundamental tenets of Engineering that every engineer uses every day just happen to conflict with the existing model and the more he looked the more discrepancies he simply found when it comes to that.

He also carefully dissected the explanations given regarding those disparities and couldn't find a genuine scientific basis for them in light of many known and established facts.

All of which indicated to him that it's "a belief" and because so much else has been based on it the entire house of cards and scientific credibility would go right out the window if the real truth about that was ever fully recognised.

This would lead me to believe flat earthers are all psyop shills coming here to derail real conspiracy discussions

So you're a "real" conspiracy theorist. You believe NASA sent men to the moon?

I think because of your previous post about FE that you are really interested in the discussion. Well, you should start with the Apollo missions and NASA fakery to see how people begin to question the location and shape of Earth.

But to answer your question, I believe there are indeed writings about FE. Books, even. But many of these arguments are based on visual concepts, like perspective. It makes sense that there will be many videos.

That doesn't mean the arguments are founded on Youtube videos. Just that the arguments are founded on concepts that are often relayed in Youtube videos.

Anything and everything is on Youtube, from Harvard lectures to baby chameleons. I challenge anyone to find something which is not on Youtube*

other than full episodes of *Drake and Josh

https://www.amazon.com/Greatest-Lie-Earth-Proof-Moving/dp/1943056013

You're going by the ratings on Amazon.com? You must know Jeff Bezos is a dog and pony man for NASA. Why not read it for yourself?

You didn't specify you wanted free literature. You seemed to imply there was no written account of FE theory.

No I have not read this book but I would like to. I have heard Hendrie in an interview however.

You would not believe in a round spinny ball earth if it were not for photos and videos in movies and text books. You don't believe in a ball because someone wrote it down in all text and that was sufficient. Yet the spinny ball earth is the theory that is at odds with your perception and senses: you see no curvature. You feel no motion. So why hold the theory which confirms your perception and senses to a higher standard of proof?

So you've seen a round spinny ball earth with a photo you know to be authentic. Assuming it traveled higher than 120,000 feet, at which height there is still no curvature visible, why then would you have any doubt you were on a round ball unless this is just a troll post?

The Flat Earth is the easiest of theories to debunk. Explain how 14000ft+ mountains can disappear from the bottom up on a flat plane. I've driven far away enough from the Rocky mountains for them to be gone completely.

You haven't read a book you are recommending to someone else? Lmao and you believe Bezos has a personal interest in Amazon book ratings this has to be a troll

Here's the Library of Congress list for books/publications re Flat Earth:

http://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/SciRefGuides/flatearth.html

Because you narrow your audience almost completely if the attempt to educate or disseminate information in written form these days. You can make a write up on the Michelson-Morely experiment, the Jesuit spreading of round earth in history that those unintelligent Chinese didn't get word of until the 1700s, Auguste Picard reaching the stratosphere and proclaiming th earth appeared flat with upturned edges, trace the debate through the 1800s and early 1900s through Rowbotham and Zetetic Astronomy. You could point out that gravity is 1/1000 the strength of electromagnetism on the surface of earth and buoyancy and density are the only actual relevant factors on terra firma. But who actually has the wherewithal to research diligently into something that questions the foundations of culture and scientism? Barely anyone, so crappy videos are made and are very effective in presenting the essential alternative perspective. I think there a good Always Sunny in Philadelphia sketch where they expound on science bitches who take the same leap of faith a religious person does.

because I’m starting to lose faith in humanity after yet another flat earther has decided to selectively ignore parts of my comments, send one line replies to deflect from my greater point, and link me to yet more videos.

I don't think that's the best reaction. Let's say you're right, and many if not most FE advocates are behaving in a shill-like manner. That in and of itself shouldn't have any bearing on the truth of FE. It could be true and people could be communicating it very poorly, either out of incompetence or malice. But I don't think it follows that the theory is wrong because of that.

I have noticed the same thing as you with the videos, though. I won't preclude outright shilling/psyop, though I would suspect in genuine FE'ers, they came to their beliefs through youtube, and therefore likely don't have textual or mathematical sources to back it up, and probably wouldn't understand them even if they had them.

I don't give FE much stock, though I did spend a bit of time a year or so ago trying to see if there were any good textual explanations, and didn't really find any. I never found any model of FE that would explain all the phenomena I can witness with my own eyes or with instruments I can hold in my hand.

I would say there is nothing wrong with YouTube as a platform for the topic. It's one big conversation independent of time and place and it's definitely involving a lot more people at an increasing rate. Most people don't have a personal website, so a YouTube account is the only means by which they can disseminate information. Some people enjoy making graphics and some people even learn better with graphical presentation as opposed to verbal/text. There's an engineer I found on YouTube who created a mini-series that he called Ball's Out Physics. You should watch him do some physics problems and talk about his background as an engineer.

The problem with a broad question like that is you're expecting that person to know about LORAN and cell tower triangulation versus GPS satellites, geodetic versus plane surveying, atmospheric refraction and lensing versus laws of perspective, the difference between natural science and theoretical science. The nature of a formal language like mathematics and the reliance on axioms. The difference between engineers and the actual dudes that do the work, inventors like Tesla and meta-physicists like Einstein. And then be able to synthesize this information into a real world view that reflects the observations from the array. The chances you encounter someone like this is pretty low. I am a flat earther but it's not because I just watch videos.

You can easily research critiques on the Cavendish experiment, to put it simply it's bunk. One may just as easily look up the force of gravity on earth and the force of electro-magnetism, you may be surprised to learn gravity is only relevant in space, where oddly electromagnetism plays zero role. The invention and engineering of machines does not require gravity, in fact gravity remains rather undefined and is a mysterious magical force with infinite range and no known medium of transfer. It's a Newtonian force, but Einstein describes it as a bend of space time, but the WMAP measured the universe to be flat, so ultimately it's irrelevant unless your in fantasy space land. Of course I'm just a nutty internet guy so don't take my word for it.

I fucken love that scene from It's Always Sunny. The viewer is meant to laugh at the seemingly dumb, religious guy Mac, but any true skeptic would come to the same conclusion. We took it on faith because we haven't come to do the research on our own.

PYSOP is everywhere. I’ve noticed it a lot on amazon prime. Amazon is pushing a bunch of discredited alien/conspiracy stuff. People are muddying the waters more than ever.

Op, there is a post like yours that appears just like clockwork almost every week without fail accusing the Flat Earthers of being part of some psy-op to discredit more legitimate conspiracies and to ridicule those who are attempting to investigate them.

Now I've been a contributing member of this forum for almost two years and I have yet to see any Flat-Earthers derail or distract attention away from any conversations about any other conspiracies being dealt with here or make any direct posts about their research into the possibility that the Earth is flat and that the notion it's a ball flying through space at an unbelievable speed is part of a centuries long conspiracy.

I have, however, seen some of them respond, and quite rightly so to the accusations that people like you continually disparage and attempt to ridicule them with.

Now I'm not a true believer in either side, but more of a collector of unusual and conflicting facts that challenge any scientific, historic, or social status-quos we are quite simply inculcated to believe as small children and never dare to question if we know what's good for us .

So the kind of direct experimentation done just as scientifically as possible by the Flat Earth researchers is in fact worth paying attention to and they deserve credit for pursuing and re-evaluating all the facts concerning that original status-quo.

They are doing exactly what the rest of us are attempting to do with any other number of conspiracies that we happen to suspect are genuine.

Before I even looked into FE, I began to notice what you're talking about. The "FE is a shill psy-op" thing is just a talking point. It's a meme repeated by shills and people who just hear it and think it sounds smart. No one can explain why, or who, or when, this "psy-op" was started. And it makes 0 sense when given any real consideration.

No one can explain why, or who, or when, this "psy-op" was started. And it makes 0 sense when given any real consideration.

Watch the documentary mirage men

And it makes 0 sense when given any real consideration.

As does FE.

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For me, you need to decide if you believe we landed on the moon. Yes or no. If it's no, then NASA lied. Would NASA lie again? $18 billion a year for what?

If the moon landings were fake, the first picture of the globe earth that was taken was in 1971 and it was fake too. The Apollo missions are huge if you ever want to understand FE. You can't brush them off and still make an honest delve into FE. The key word here being "honest." Is this an honest post? I don't know.

I don't think we should say we are doing experiments to prove the globe earth or that we are doing experiments to prove the flat earth. What we should be saying is let's do experiments to determine for ourselves what the shape of the earth is. If it conforms to one of the two models, then so be it.

So sick of this argument.

The US came out of WWII vastly behind German and Tussian scientists, despite the Atom Bomb. The rush to space and claiming we made it to the moon first has more to do with winning the Cold War than Flat Earth.

Sadly, not all. There are folks that truly believe all this stuff.

To be fair, OP, most of the participants in this sub lately are YouTube addicted. Ask for a printed source and you get some opinionated neckbeard video. It's sad, actually.

Read Kings dethroned

This kind of post is repeated every week.

I'll do my best to give you some food for thought.

Sure flat earth is all over YouTube, bit the globe earth theorist videos are all over YouTube as well. So that is not a talking point.

The flat earth is growing quickly because a lot of people are skeptics and skeptics will go out of there way to test and prove something if that means not having to trust someone's word. This is exactly what thousands and thousands (dare I say millions) of people have done confirming that the belief that Greeks have proved the globe by watching boats disappear in the distance. Every single time it can be brought back into view magically through the curvature of water that was initially obscuring it.

If you were an honest conspiracy theorist, you would take the time to do this observation yourself, or at least spend a fair amount of time going through a ton of nobody's (a large amount of individual normal citizens is way more trustworthy than a couple corrupt authority figures) to confirm that this is a legitimate observation.

Once you see the phenomenon yourself, you can no longer be decieved by perceived curvature.

And just to be clear,my goal is to develop an experiment that can be done cheaply and repeated to measure the change in angle of gravity or lack of. Basically we need a test where the results will have to favor one model over the other.

The experiments that aim to measure angles of the sun are useless in determining the shape of what is under us. They may seem like proof if you keep your thought process inside the preverbial box.

If you were an honest conspiracy theorist, you would take the time to do this observation yourself

I drove far away enough from the Rocky mountains that they disappeared from view entirely from the bottom up and I couldn't see them even through binoculars or a telescope. Not possible on a flat plane. Flat Earth busted.

So boats debunk the globe and mountains debunk the flat earth? Wel at least we're making progress.

There is a lesson to "the flat earth" theory. Always keep an open mind and question your own beliefs. Our opinions are based on what we were told or our own conclusions but can be false. Find the triangle in every question and you will find your answer.

They have no provable science or math worth writing down.

Can you link us to some of these 'ancient texts'?