Honest question: Why isn't calling conspiracy theorists "batshit crazy", and the like, a bannable offense in this sub?
35 2018-01-09 by naturalproducer
THIS SUBMISSION IS NOT AN ATTACK. Just wondering why I keep seeing this happen without any repercussions to the offender.
58 comments
1 Sabremesh 2018-01-09
More often than not, that sort of abuse does result in a ban, particularly if it is aimed at the users of /r/conspiracy . It is up to others to report these comments, otherwise the mods don't necessarily see them.
I would say that at least 95% of the accounts we ban are for abuse. It has become much worse since the 2016 US Presidential Election, and thousands of accounts have been banned for abuse since then.
1 fuster_cluq 2018-01-09
Good work. No reason to allow people who find the community so undesirable to stay
3 mastigia 2018-01-09
Because it IS an attack. It is ad hominem and gaslighting.
1 naturalproducer 2018-01-09
My post or calling conspiracy theorists batshit crazy?
1 mastigia 2018-01-09
Not your post. And don't get me wrong, we got some real crazies, for sure. But framing us all as crazy is the deep state methedology for discrediting what we do in places like this.
3 Normie_account 2018-01-09
I was unironicly called a conspiritard yesterday for suggesting hollywood knew about weinstein for a very long time. And the reason no one acted on punishing him until recently is because "no one" knew about it except for the crazy conspiracy community lol. Thicker then a bowl of oatmeal.
1 PM_ME_UR_GLIPGLOPS 2018-01-09
In r/conspiracy?
2 selfmindcontrol 2018-01-09
We ban them usually after one warning over on r/conspiracyundone.
1 vidarheheh 2018-01-09
Just let conspiracy be what it is, it makes the smaller less shilly subs(as that one) come together and be less like this one
2 KrakensReport 2018-01-09
The mods probably have better things to do then to go after every pussyplayer69xx calling this crowd mean names.
It comes with the territory, if you can't take the heat then don't stand in the fire.
2 Habanero_Eyeball 2018-01-09
I don't like personal attacks in any form because it shifts the focus from the topic under discussion to the person. One should be able to make their arguments without getting personal. For people who regularly attack a person, instead of the idea, it takes time to adjust - but it's not impossible.
However, I don't like the idea of banning people for doing that - well not perma-banning. Maybe giving them a day or two to cool off is warranted. I prefer mods just remove the offending post.
However when you see personal attack, just click the "report" button as that flags the post for mod review.
2 building71bullet 2018-01-09
Because this sub has been completely something I can't say without being banned.
2 joseph177 2018-01-09
Rule 10 was supposed to be for this. I was the one that suggested it many years ago.
1 Mecanatron 2018-01-09
I like the term.
If someone is gonna call me crazy (which most will, at some point), then 'batshit crazy' is just the right amount of crazy to be called.
1 naturalproducer 2018-01-09
Logic is not your strong suit and that's ok.
1 Mecanatron 2018-01-09
And yet I'm not the one bent out of shape by a little name calling...
Yes it is an attack but it's a pretty weak one, is my point.
1 lolheadshot 2018-01-09
Ok dude.
1 naturalproducer 2018-01-09
Ok dude.
1 lolheadshot 2018-01-09
I prefer contrarian. Conspiracy theorist is almost a worthless phrase. It does not really explain our plight.
4 KrakensReport 2018-01-09
It never did, its just a buzzword to categorize people who aren't trustworthy to a fault.
1 4-7-2-3-9-8-5BREATHE 2018-01-09
It is a bannable offence. Rule 10.
Can you post any examples where you've seen it?
Do you report such comments when you see them?
1 naturalproducer 2018-01-09
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/search?q=batshit&restrict_sr=on
You'll need to scroll down because every one doesn't fit the bill, but yea.
1 4-7-2-3-9-8-5BREATHE 2018-01-09
Can you link the thread instead? There's too many there to know what you're referring to.
1 naturalproducer 2018-01-09
Good point.
2 Habanero_Eyeball 2018-01-09
Click on "permalink" - that gives you a link to the exact post you're talking about.
1 garyp714 2018-01-09
I'm a huge skeptic of most conspiracy theories but think name calling is just so fucking lazy. Instead, ask questions, pose alternatives and engage. Shutting the conversation down with name calling just exposed the one name calling as immature and easily riled.
4 ogrelin 2018-01-09
This happens a lot, even when you try to rationally provide some alternatives without even criticizing their position. I was told I couldn’t think because Moore’s penis was so far down my throat after one commenter said this is evidence that victims should report immediately and I wrote that reporting it at the time it occurred (70s I think) could’ve been much worse for her in terms of retaliation. Note I didn’t say anything about blame, culpability or veracity. Just a fact that a good ol boy state in those days was a lot more dangerous for a female accuser. Some people are participating here just to insult and get some shit started for fun.
1 0000000047 2018-01-09
Just in case people missed it the first time.
0 Step2TheJep 2018-01-09
I agree that it is lazy to resort to name-calling. It is also lazy to resort to logical fallacies such as appeal to authority and appeal to consensus . But most people are naturally very lazy psychologically: when challenged with new ideas they resort to the 'path of least resistance', which usually involved dismissing anything which goes against preconceived notions.
Want to put my theory to the test? See how many of this list you honestly agree with.
2 garyp714 2018-01-09
Nice, name calling right in the title. Normies is as stupid as Bernie bros or libtards or trumptards.
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1 Step2TheJep 2018-01-09
Normies is entirely appropriate. The regular person is normal, they are the majority. It is still normal to believe that federal politics is 'real', that man actually walked on the moon, that vaccines are good for you, etc etc.
The people who believes this crap are normal in that they are the majority, the regular. 'Normies' is a direct reference to this fact.
1 garyp714 2018-01-09
It's such a broad generalization for a much more nuanced set of people. I bet there are tons of Normies that think they aren't. I bet there's people pointing to you and thinking, 'there goes a normie'. In the end it all comes down to feeling like you belong to something. No reason it has to be so non-inclusive.
1 Step2TheJep 2018-01-09
I agree with you.
This I doubt.
I don't believe a single item on the list of 37 Things Normies Believe , and I am open about it.
1 fuster_cluq 2018-01-09
The whole notion that you're different or separate from others is destructive. People are pretty dang similar, we're only distinguishable through our separate life experiences
1 oldpepperbox 2018-01-09
how many times are you going to spam that stupid list? just stop.
0 Step2TheJep 2018-01-09
Don't let the list trigger you.
1 CloudyMN1979 2018-01-09
Some times we use those terms affectionately among each other. Other times people's posts actually are totally batshit. We're not really big on exclusion or censorship here, so the offender would need to be pretty clearly and persistently abusive to warrant a ban.
1 lopestatus 2018-01-09
And calling someone a shill is a bannable offense.
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1 Zendm 2018-01-09
Mods very rarely enforce that rule.
1 lopestatus 2018-01-09
I've been nailed for it 3 times.
And have been called countless names.
So, nah...
1 iseeyoubruh 2018-01-09
i dont like rule 10 because it censors the sub. Think about it: if you cant call someone a shill, then its going to make you think shills are amongst us for that reason
1 Cobra-Serpentress 2018-01-09
Because Many of us are Bat-shit Crazy. Sometimes we actually throw out some of our own Wacky Conspiracies to see if anyone else thinks like us. Sometimes others even have evidence that our wacky thinking is not so bat-shit and actually is what is happening.
Being called Crazy for some of us is actually a Badge of Honor.
1 ChinaXpat 2018-01-09
cuz thats free speech
1 dr_gorilla 2018-01-09
so you are having an issue with free speech?
0 PickUpTheBass 2018-01-09
Everyone's entitled to opinion. Fighting freedom of speech here is a major thing I certainly wouldn't want people banned for thinking were crazy or whatever. If they want to read what's in the media and believe it that's their choice they're hardly gonna stop any movement we've got going if they believe what's spread in the media anyway.
1 naturalproducer 2018-01-09
Yet, you've never spoken out against the prohibition of calling-out obvious shills.
Interesting...
1 PickUpTheBass 2018-01-09
I browse by new and comment. I've got better shit to do than argue with and call out shills they not win in the end waste of energy. Don't see what's interesting about that, most users browse by new now. It's the only way to see the fucking goal through the fog nowadays.
1 0000000047 2018-01-09
I second this
1 naturalproducer 2018-01-09
Yet, you also have never spoken out against the prohibition of calling-out obvious shills.
Interesting...
1 accountingisboring 2018-01-09
It is not censorship of free speech in the least. One should be able to argue their points without name calling. When the name calling starts, you are violating rule 10.
3 naturalproducer 2018-01-09
Is calling conspiracy theorists "batshit crazy" not a form of name-calling?
1 HissyFitsy 2018-01-09
Point out a shill and see what happens.
1 naturalproducer 2018-01-09
Not taking your bait.
1 HissyFitsy 2018-01-09
It was a rhetorical statement, but smart move nonetheless.
1 accountingisboring 2018-01-09
To me, yes. But I don't enforce the rules here. That is up to mod discretion.
1 PickUpTheBass 2018-01-09
There's bigger shit going on in the world than someone calling me fucking crazy. World is going way too PC I don't care what anyone calls me on the god damn internet. It's pathetic really how people.get hurt by a stupid label is beyond me and I like to think proper users of this sub are made of stronger stuff.
0 gaslightlinux 2018-01-09
I always wonder how literally rule #1 for this sub reconciles itself with saying (((them))).
1 naturalproducer 2018-01-09
Logic is not your strong suit and that's ok.
1 lolheadshot 2018-01-09
I prefer contrarian. Conspiracy theorist is almost a worthless phrase. It does not really explain our plight.
2 garyp714 2018-01-09
Nice, name calling right in the title. Normies is as stupid as Bernie bros or libtards or trumptards.
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1 oldpepperbox 2018-01-09
how many times are you going to spam that stupid list? just stop.