That's why I don't read the news I critique it. Just skimmed a story claiming "oh no sharks are freezing to death !"Not only did I not see frozen sharks in the article but I brief search will show you a fish bing frozen in liquid nitrogen and then in frozen and swimming around alive.

I have felt the same way about US news for 20 years. Don't watch it. It's depressing.

Do you think the US is a bigger shithole than Russia?

Even more-so with Russia, doesn't matter if they plaster state media with feel good stories

I don't think OP quite expressed what he meant with that reply.

This one makes it more clear: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7msofo/the_difference_between_russian_news_and_us_news/drweujy

It's difficult to compare because Russians are, in aggregate, much more resilient (i.e. less soft/spoiled).

Americans make the mistake (imho) of under-estimating the resilience of the average Russian. They have endured hardship (in the past century alone) few Americans could even stand to think about.

American here, fully agreed with this. We as a nation have been coddled with the false sense of safety from our education systems, to the media that is fed to us daily, to the entertainment industry. We have been bombarded with a narrative to make us soft.

Pros and cons. I personally enjoy having plentiful food in the supermarkets and not having to bribe policemen

To compare apples to apples, the Russian suicide rate is 142% the American suicide rate.

Even with all our solder suicideds? Where do you get that statistic?

Wikipedia

Sick non-reference bro!

Where do you get that statistic?

Wikipedia.

Or you could just Google "suicide rates by country".

Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion! <--Sick Reference

Google is a non-source, it leads you to sources, yes.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aYmOqPFyJPw

You got a link to source that?

I Wikipedia'd suicide rates by country

Where are you seeing that even in wikipedia it says 13.5 per 100000 in America vs 15.4 per 100000.

Russia, tied with Swaziland for # 17 with 17.9 suicides per 100k and America at # 48 with 12.6

Maybe because Russian media hides these facts from its viewers? Maybe because American media isn't afraid of it's nations "leader" like Russian media is.

Hahahahaha the US media is afraid of the military industrial complex, wall st, big pharma, big oil, etc. Our news is a fucking joke and will never challenge REAL powerful entities.

Not as much as Russian media. Their election is nothing but a joke because people fear Putin. Our media openly mocks Trump because nobody truly fears the clown.

Look, I think Trump is scum and terrible for this country. Having said that, the media blasts him 24/7 to avoid having to talk about the real issues in this country.

I think Trump is scum and terrible for this country.

compared to any of the presidents since Carter !?

Reagan was senile and asleep, GHWB was a psychotic war criminal, WJC corrupt and a sex maniac. GWB a moronic war criminal, Obama wallstreet/CIA droid war criminal.

how does Trump compare !?

As someone not from either country, honestly, yeah.

America is the seat of corporate greed and military expansionism in the World. Your export of capitalism to the rest of the world has caused untold pollution, waste, and inequality. Your conquest of Middle Eastern countries has caused human suffering on a scale far worse than Russia has done recently.

Yeah, Russia has an authoritarian style ruler, but he works for the good of the country. Look at Russia's national debt, it is nearly nonexistent. The Country has really bounced back after the fall of the USSR. America has croney sellout politicians who have already dismantled your government and sold it to the corporations. Your country is teetering on the edge of debt collapse while the military contractors and financial empires are laughing.

Russia has nationalized healthcare, while 45,000 people die EVERY SINGLE YEAR in the States because they can't afford healthcare.

America appears to do well because the rich do very, very well, but your working-class wage has been stagnant since the 70s. The corporate media convinced you dumb hillbillys that unions are bad, now you have no worker protections, pensions, and reduced ability to climb the salary ladder.

We are in /r/conspiracy here.. your country killed 3000 of your own citizens to start a war for oil in Iraq, you require endless war and suffering to feed your war machine, and your best friends are Saudi Arabia and Israel, two of the other most horrible countries around.

Now you guys are mad because Russia meddled with your election. The fucking MO of your intelligence agencies for the past 70 years has been to meddle in any election possible. You've gone as far as assassinating democratically elected leaders in South America, only to prop up ruthless dictators. It's about time you got a taste of your own medicine.

Your country is teetering on the edge of debt collapse

You've been watching too much US media.
For better or worse, we're still the safest bet for your international loans - in the world.

Agree with most other points though.

The news is only focuses on negative stories because they think it leads to higher ratings. And they have agendas they push. But they also do fluff pieces and human interest stories. The msm in the US sucks

When I went to the USA it didn't seem like they were reporting what was happening at all. It actually seemed like they were ignoring most of what was happening in favor of celebrity news, fear mongering, and sensationalism with only a few actual news stories.

But, my friend, you don't need to watch the media to cause division and strife. No no no.

The media helps drive culture which drives people. You may not watch the media but others do. You might see them protesting some politician, having guilt about their ethnic heritage, or hating those who make just a little more income. One of them might call you a white fucking male, accuse you of having privilege, or express hatred for the country in which they live. Perhaps you might even see them openly support mass migration to further diminish one's heritage and/or national identity.

America lacks unity by design, my friend. It has little to do with you watching the news...

Maybe longer. Journalism's rotten corpse is beginning to stink.

Hmmm. I wonder who controlls the (((media))).

The agenda at play is to weaken the population, so they remain easy to control.

If it was nothing but good news then that’d be another problem.

Better than what we have now I would say. It's the lesser of two evils in my opinion.

And we as a people don't exactly have many choices. Free will is a lie (eg. it's either Trump or Hillary, Capitalism or Communism, Good media or Bad media). It's sad that there is no in between.

Kremlin agent provocateur!!!!!

I can’t wait for all of this to blow up in the democrat’s faces.

Haha careful. Gonna end up on a list or a payroll now

Ditto

Good on you

What brought you here then? What business do you have here? Or was you just getting out of Russia?

They certainly came out of the woodwork for your post.

Divide and conquer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHjaAu1GTZU

The feel good story is usually at the end so they don't end the whole vortex of grief on a down note.

Mkultra on a grand scale

US is unbelievably depressive, like a chronically mentally ill depressive patient. Living here is mental torture for vast majority of people. So much this. The US is incredibly toxic...I also hate that it pushes a global agenda. I went to Europe a few weeks ago and felt appalled at the cultural erosion that has been happening in the past 2-3 years. The sickness is contagious.

Europe is R.I.P. due to its rapid islamification via kalergi plan and U.N. orders. There will be no coming back from that, and is the new state of affairs now

Can you explain further about what is going on in Europe? When I visited it just didnt feel like europe...

Merkel allowed several millions Muslim migrants into Europe via Germany, same as Sweden, and they have looked into Greece, France, England, italy, etc. That's the gist of it. Now they are coming from all different Muslim and African countries because the word is EU is open for anyone, so there are hordes of people making their way their.

Libyan president Qaddafi warned that if he is ever killed or his gov brought down, that this would happen.

When I was in Europe last, I definitively didn't see any major changes that you possibly attribute to "mooslums." Sorry. You're just talking out of your ass. Maybe go visit and see.

I was there last year and London no longer looks like London, same deal with Berlin and Paris. Maybe visit this year and see for yourself

I have lived in western Europe for 3 months a year for the last 12 years. You are wrong. You must have been a typical tourist and gone to the top spots. If you were to venture off this path you would quickly see the gross changes to many cities from the migrant influx. A few miles from the center of Paris there are neighborhoods that look like the Middle East. Woman don't even feel safe going out in their home neighborhoods after dark. The cafes tell woman to leave, they are not welcome. We have experienced this in Paris, Berlin, Munich, Hamburg, Stockholm, and others. It sucks!!!

I've never stayed in a typical tourist spot in my life.

The Bush regime and their allies in the Pentagon, US State Dept (aka; the CIA), and Qatar, Turkey, and Saudi Barbaria (along with the Obama and now Trump admin) destabilized the middle east and pushed immigrants and Islamists into Europe to undermine liberal democracy.

I guess if you're stupid it is yes. If you need the news to tell you bullshit happy stories to make you smile your personal life must be awful. That's not how it works for most functional humans sorry. I'm happy without Vladimir telling me I should be

Oh, man. So true. I traveled to quite a few countries in my younger days. There are really no words to express how different the people are and society is here. I stayed in a small town in Italy for a month with a friend from childhood. I'm normally an extreme introvert. In that time I realized I was actually enjoying people's company, and wasn't uncomfortable sitting in a packed deli, or a bar, or trying to talk to people even in my extremely broken Italian. People were genuine. Trying to find a genuine person here is like finding a needle in a haystack.

Point is, turns out I'm not really an introvert. It's just that society here as a whole makes me one.

I am confused. If you are Russian, and you love Russia and think the US is a horrible place where everyone is unhappy, and you'd be happier and better off in Russia--why are you here?

And if you blink, you'll miss it.

Sounds about right for a country that would bar a presidential candidate for being critical of the government.

And poison/ gun down journalists and investigators. But what positive news stories! /s

American news is spun around warmongering and fearmongering. That's what sells. Getting people outraged.

I've been to Russia many times and honestly if they didn't have such positive new stories, I'm sure like 65% of the country would die in a month. No offense friend, but Russia is depressing as shit.

Here's the thing, every American you meet that has national pride, maybe not in their government but in their "nation of people" is going to be branded a racist. The popular trend in American culture right now is to apologize for being an American. Everyone shows how "aware" they are of the world by hating on America.

The thing is, they're privileged and don't know it. Russia is depressing as shit but everyone there is happy as clams. Or shit I've been down to third world countries where most of the people have little land bridges over their own excrement that flows through their village and they don't have a worry in the world and their government is twice as corrupt and fucked up as America's. But some people in America feel it their duty to the rest of the world to go around hating on America to show how cool and woke they are to their friends.

I love living in America. I'm an active member of my community. I love my state. I love my neighborhood. I have a lot of pride in my country and could give a shit less what those crybaby Tumblr heads think of the U.S. but they're the people that watch the news and depressing shit sells

You can have pride in the people but not in the decisions your country is making. I'm sure you have pride in the people of Russia but don't have pride in the evil warmongering murderous shithole decisions that your government makes.

The benefit here is that both of us are proud of our country, but come from countries with warmongering evil shithole leaders

Yeah but even during Stalin's times not ALL Russians were committing atrocities. At the end of the day all it takes is the a few of the wrong people in power a whole nation is painted in the wrong light.

Unfortunately I think Russia and the U.S. will come to blows long before we become to 100% allies

Well here's to hoping we never have to face on a battlefield outside of our third party engagements we already have, that is

The way our two countries would fight, I don't think there'd be time for any revolts

Agreed!

You probably haven't ever learned about all the good and non-evil, non-imperialist things the U.S has done?

Well said my freind

and putin kills journalists. such sweetheart to be proud of. america has turned into warmongering hate machine, but comrade, russia kills lots of people. Syria, Ukraine.... bought the happy times news did you? everything fine, just drink the vodka.

So you don't have pride in Russia then? In the shitty government Olympics, Russia gets the bronze, falling behind only China and NK, but America isn't even close to the finalists.

every American you meet that has national pride,

Much blanket statement.

It's a pride that needs to be awoken. 9/11,Pearl Harbor, etc.

It was. I apologize

Correct answer. People confuse the two.

One big difference is in the United States people will generally smile in your face while stabbing you in the back or work against you.

Plus constantly working your ass off to buy more shit is not the route to happiness.

Russia has a lot of issues with alcoholism, drug addiction, version addiction, aids, very poor majority etc. U.S. has the same, except with bigger crumbling middle class and greater divisions/divides among race, class, etc

What's "version addiction"?

ftfy

I love how the standard Russian answer to the question "how are you?" (kak dila) is: normal (usually said without the first trace of a smile).

Conpare that to American fake emphase "yeeaaah I'm doing GREAT man!! How 'bout you?!"

The advantage of the American way is that it seems friendlier at first (as a tourist, on your first day, you think you're just constantly making friends).

On the other hand, in Russia, once you get ast that initial ice-cold barrier (usually by dreaking vodka with the fellow), you've got a real friend for life.

Russia is a country made of non-bullshit introverts. I love it.

Russia is a country made of non-bullshit introverts.

Now their entire approach to technology makes sense!

And in Russia,
They just don't smile

One big difference is in the United States people will generally smile in your face while stabbing you in the back or work against you. If this is your opinion of the majority of Americans you know, it honestly says more about you than the country as a whole.

Yup, everyone's just poor and happy in Russia, that would explain why they have among the highest rates of suicide and alcoholism in the world.

I used to believe in such templated statesment myself before i started hitting my local gym at 7.30am. Lots of people every day in these hours.

Cool, and I'm not unhappy in America therefore I guess Russia is actually a miserable nightmare world and america is paradise.

Its amazing that people here have a legitimate distrust of America's corrupt two party system and yet somehow have warm feelings for Russias corrupt one party dictatorship

Freedom is not measured by how many things you could buy if you had the money. Kids in America are mainly indoors. Like little prisoners.

I'm Canadian, and I've been to both Russia and America. America is definitely the more depressing of the two. Russians don't have the material goods that Americans do, and yet in Russia I never encountered the grinding despair and depression that is the American norm.

If consumption was a marker of happiness, we'd be freaking ecstatic roaming those malls!

Russia's suicide rate as of 2017 - 17.9 per 100,000 U.S. suicide rate as of 2017 - 12.6 per 100,000

Your personal fantasy doesn't conform to reality.

source: http://apps.who.int/gho/data/node.main.MHSUICIDEASDR?lang=en

Can just mean Russians are more effective at killing themselves, Americans aren't known to be the brightest bulbs.

"I only care about facts when they activate the pleasure centers in my brain associated with right-wing culture wars"

Yeah your news is run by your dictator so he makes them pretend that everything is awesome over there. Easier to keep people from uprising if you have them under the illusion that everything is awesome. I've heard people are generally pretty happy in North Korea too.

If Putin is a dictator, so is the US president...

Our President didnt have the opposition murdered

Well Hillary did, so i guess we got that going for us

Bullshit.

Seth Rich? JFK Jr? Are you a shill on a conspiracy sub.

Both are nonsense.

Eh, are you sure about that in US history (going to invoke JFK here, and who is actually "in charge")? Countless other examples of dissidents being "offed". Don't throw stones, if you live in a glass house...

I agree, i dont trust anyone who wants power. What do they want power over? You. I sould have sais this also. We as Americans dont hate Russia either. We might hate communism, but not Russia. Yes i know, Russia is not a communist country. Most Americans are not dumb enough to think that we are totally free also, but we do have a system that can regain our freedoms. We have hope. I actually hoped and still hope we can have a better relationship with Russia. I also think that Putin is the best thing to happen to Russia in a long time. Not throwing stones just saying Russia is not all that great either. By the way great work on Isil and showing what a punk obumer was

We might hate communism

Tell us what you know about communism without going to another page or google.

I know that the government has total control. You work for the government and the government pays you what they want to. Everything has a price set by the government. I also know that in a communist country you can speak badly about the government ,but you might and probably will go missing. I believe that you are placed in jobs according to test scores and are placed in a position thats best suits your abilities.

But the contender last election sure had a hell of a body count. Including her opponent she won against in her first election.

Agreed, and thats just goes to prove that most Americans dont fall for that bullshit the media puts out. Only a few states with a bunch of liberal idiots believe in the media. Thats because the media is bias one way or the other, left or right. Its like an old saying in the south " dont piss down my back and tell me its raining".

liberal idiots believe in the media

Bernie Sanders has massive multiple mile long rallies in sleet & snow across the United States & can't get arrested on television broadcasting them. Suddenly the corporate media starts giving 247 unprecedented media access to candidate Trump who plagiarizes Sanders speech verbatim & throws in some shit about the wall.

When Sanders gets cheated at the DNC convention (which gets zero mass media coverage) the media turns on Trump.

Idiots aint on just the 'liberal' side.

Your correct. But is Trump really an idiot. He could be, i dont know. What you have to look at is what is being done, what bills are being passed, and what is being said. He says alot of stupid things but he has gotten some bills passed. Are these bills bad for America or good for America. Do you know about the executive prder he just passed.

ummm a LOT of people buy into the bullshit. You literally had the mainstream news, Hollywood, (some) Wall Street and Silicon Valley working to get Hillary Elected.

Yeah.... it was the few states that almost got Hillary elected.

No....the polls were bullshit. I'm talking about the internet ecosystem. You had all mainstream news, Hollywood, (some) Wall Street and Silicon Valley working to get Hillary elected. Facebook pushed positive articles, Google deranked/altered searches, MSM shilled, everyone was mesmerized by "her turn". Even in places in Texas people were against Trump all because of the negative coming from those interest groups.

But did she get elected. No she didnt. Dude you are making the same argument as me. Hollywood=liberals. Google=liberals. Facebook=liberals. Msm=liberals. Silicon Valley=liberals. All these are in California except wallstreet and msm. Which is in NewYork another liberal state. People in Texas where scared because of Trump talking of deportation, and the msm labled him a racist. Most apologist voted against him, why? because they are liberal. Reddit= liberals. Come on guy. I agree with you, do you not see this? Same thing i said the majority of Americans did not fall for that shit. Only a few states with a lot of people. These states have alot of delegates.

Hillary won the popular vote. Hook line and sinker for Americans taking in the bullshit. And yes it was skewed because blue states have more populations, but technically most Americans do fall for BS.

Oh my god man!!. Thats what i said!!!Except for a few liberal states. How many states where red? How mant states did Hillary win? Come on man. Better yet, how many districts did Trump win? And alot of people would have rather had Bernie that voted for Hillary. I didnt want either one of them. Im not a Democrat or Republican, but if thats my only two choices i will vote Republican ever time, all the way down to the smallest branch of government. Now give me a smart libertarian or independent and i will vote for them.

I'm an independent too. I critique both sides and dont have an allegiance like you do, though.

I do not have an allegiance. Its like i said dont piss down my back and tell me its raining. Obama talked good and did nothing. Trump talks like an idiot and has done alot. If a man beats a woman and tells her he loves her all the time does he really? If a person talks like an asshole to everybody but gives all their time and money to help people are they an asshole. Did i say Trump was an idiot, i said i didnt know. Do i think America got to be like a shit hole under Obama. I know so. Do i trust Trump. No i dont. Did i hope Obama would do good while he was president. I did. This is a conspiracy sub. How many liberals are conspiracy theorist? Not alot because they believe any msm tells them. How many conspiracy theorist are conservatives? Probably alot.

No. MSM is neoliberal. I consider myself a progressive independent, actually. Dont care if gays can get married, but care if there is money in politics. I was for Bernie, before Trump.

I didnt call you a liberal or a conservative. Im a libertarian who believes in individual liberty. Although I am not against social programs that work. They just dont, beacuse governments are incompetent.

Totally, I'm teetering on libertarian haha I would be for social programs if they got rid/bundled some alphabet agencies together...

are you european?

What? No, i live in Georgia. Can you not see that we are saying the same thing

the way you said

Oh my god man!!

Just reminded me of some German friends haha

Isn't that only because Madam President never made it in...

Our President didnt have the opposition murdered

You need to read the history of the United States repeated involvement with countries that actually HAD DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED LEADERS.

I know what the US government has done.

Well i dont really consider the CIA part of the US government .

Our government murdered JFK

The CIA murdered JFK

Just "lock her up!"

Yeah, but he never actually did it. It was just a campaign slogan to fool gullible people.

The fact that he thought it was appropriate at all!

Didn't Putins opposition just get barred from running against him last week? As usual, Putin doesn't let anybody who might have a shot at challenging him run. He either frames them for phony crimes or has them murdered. I've seen you defend Russia a thousand times dude. Nobody is buying it. The entire world knows what he is and how that government operates.

Didn't Putins opposition just get barred from running against him last week?

No idea. Got a source?

As usual, Putin doesn't let anybody who might have a shot at challenging him run.

Source?

He either frames them for phony crimes or has them murdered.

Source?

I've seen you defend Russia a thousand times dude.

I don't "defend" Russia, I just don't want to fuckin' go to war with them. I also, have Russian family. We (humans) just want to live in peace, dude. Why the fuck are you so divisive? You want war, death, and destruction?

Nobody is buying it.

I'm not selling anything, and I've been here for far longer than you...

The entire world knows what he is and how that government operates.

What is he? Once again... Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house. Something tells me, you live in the sand box shithole, that is called Israel, though...

We aren't going to war with Russia. Putins got a boyfriend in office over here right now so you can calm down. I'm allowed to criticize Russia for what it is. It doesn't mean I want to fight them.

Here's a source for everything you asked for. Doubt you'll read it or give a shit though.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/alexey-navalny-and-the-empty-spectacle-of-the-russian-election

We aren't going to war with Russia. Putins got a boyfriend in office over here right now so you can calm down.

Bernie and Hillary wanted war with them, so a good thing Trump is in "office"?

Yeah neither of them said they wanted war with Russia. We're you going to read up on Russia's rigged election process and get back to me then?

So many adjectives and inferences in that New Yorker article...

hard [to write about]

difficult [to understand]

"not an election, but it is called one."

harder [than it seems]

obvious travesty

sham -election-

blatently rigged

unrelenting attacks

convoluted and striking [stunt]

That's only half the article. That many adjectives in any form of communications is indicative of a singular premise. Mind control. Programming by appeal to emotion. It's toxic.

Compare that to an article by the Guardian for instance which is still Western biased but it doesn't degrade itself to such tactics.

Okay bud. If you thought the language in that New Yorker article was too mean then go ahead and use your source abo it this issue. It says the exact same thing.

It says objectively Navalny is implicitly barred from running for office because of a conviction in a fraud case .

Parlay that into American politics.

Over the past year, Navalny has mounted a grassroots campaign which reached out to the most remote corners of Putin’s heartland.

Navalny is the most serious challenger that Putin has faced in all his years in power, and the court cases against him have been viewed as a tool to keep him from running for office.

I see you're jumping up and down this thread trying your best to defend Putin and silence his critics just like he does. Pick a different fight dude. You're defending a thug.

The same argument can be made about all American politics. It wasn't defence of Putin but simply a frame of perspective.

Although its easy to cry "fake news" if any contrary opinions arise in America. If its judged by the letter of the law, Russia used its laws, just as America uses [or doesn't use] its own.

What are you trying to say? Did you follow why Navalny was charged the way he was? It was specifically done to try and invalidate any campaign he would run in the future. They were waiting for him to declare so they could say gotcha!

Also as far as I'm concerned, Putin is a butcher.

So many opinions! Use more adjectives!

I'm going to downvote your comment because it doesn't add anything to the conversation and you didn't even bother responding with content. Or an opinion.

u/PepperoniSizedNips is REKT. 5 stars!

Putins got a boyfriend in office over here right now

Who Podesta or Clinton? Stop watching corporate television.

Didn't Putins opposition just get barred from running against him last week?

You don't believe in fake news BUT you believe that?

Putin just raised the minimum wage for the second time & continually raises peoples pensions. I guess that wasn't on the US 'news'.

I can’t believe he found time to do this, figured establishing miniature gay concentration camps took up more time.

Canada's news isn't negative, and we aren't run by a dictator...

Part of this is ratings. Less people watch positive news. Most of it is programming. Don't watch it.

Russian news is reflection of the state keeping people from taking out the oligarchy.

It's incredible how interchangeable "Russian" and "US" are in practically all of the comments ITT, and yet hardly anyone is acknowledging or admitting it.

news is a reflection of life

Brainwashed!

Of Polish heritage, living in the US, and have Russian family, and they tell me the same things. You're right, but, I suppose everything is somewhat subjective. US citizens think they are free, but, we are the furthest from it. Hell, I need license after license, after license (and then insurance) to do anything, and I cannot even buy alcohol after a certain hour in most States, and some places are completely dry. The US is a shit hole, that's for sure... Mass Stockholm Syndrome. Top two places to expat? Poland or Russia, at this point. Although, finding an island and creating my own country sounds the best...

The huge difference, imo, is that the US not homogeneous, like Russia and other countries. There is no national pride, just division. This is where everything failed, imo. We need to be a Union of maybe ~10 separate nation States. Kind of like ancient Greece, but improved. That was the original idea, until we got into debt and the international bankers took control...

What people do not understand or do not know, is that, we were never supposed to be one country. It was a Union, under compact. You do you, and we come together if the Frenchies, Brits, or Spaniards came to take our land. We lost, and have been a Crown colony since the Treaty of Paris. The "Founders" subtly hinted at this, hoping future generations would catch on. Now, here we are, talking about pronoun laws, and shit... FFS... I hate this country, for the most part...

can you expand on the treaty of paris please? the wiki says the king recognized the united states as sovereign and free lol

Treaty of Paris, lead way to 1871. The Virginia company, become the UNITED STATES...

Russia is not exactly homogenous. It cover 13 time zones. After "perestroika" it became divided, but not homgenous.

For the most part, Russia is homogeneous and has been for hundreds of years. Yes, there are "indigenous people/groups", but, they (Slavic majority) have banded together under common Slavic ancestry to form, what is now called Russia.

Then they made their country an open door to trash from all over the world in the name of "multi-culturalism"

This bears repeating, before people accidentally take anything else you say seriously.

Agreed, we do need less Federal regulations and less depending on the fed from states. You are correct, we are supposed to be a state run nation with cooperation between the states to have a federal military and that is it. The federal reserve is a great thing to point a finger at.

Friend, i will tell you this. Most Americans are not what you see on the news. Most Americans work everyday and go home to enjoy their family and freinds. What you see on the news is a very small, very loud minority. The news would have you belive no blacks and whites get along. Not true. They would have you believe that half of the United States are gay and the other half want to kill and hurt them. Not true. The news would have you believe that every other neighbor is a rapists, child abductor or psychopath that is going to shoot everyone. Not true. We as Americans, most of us anyway, can see past the bullshit of the media.

Worst of all I think is the greed of the upper class. That more than anything is destroying our once great country.

In the United States you actually need a license to wash peoples hair when working in a salon.

My friend got snitched on by a former employees for not having a license to wash hair.

For two hundred years almost anyone could build their own house if they owned land.

Now it is virtually impossible to build your own house in any area with a decent sized population.

It's insanity. But hey we are all "free!!!!"

Hush, now, go back to sleep ... You are free!

I also noticed US "news" hasn't mentioned anything about Putin raising the minimum wage there for the 2nd time.

I agree about the sorry state of US news (and the sorry state of the things that actually get the US public's viewership/readership attention...sex, violence, scandal, hatred).

But to say that a Russian news system devoted to promoting how well the country is doing, national pride, feelings of peace...I mean, this is a conspiracy sub. You're describing how a government controls it's populace not by artificial hate and fear but by artificial love and feelings of contrived unity. Sounds like something of an inverse of how you view US news, but seems to achieve a similar effect (although in Russia, Putin ate up most major media over the past 15 years and now runs them ...why on earth would he then show anything but Russia doing super well (under his reign) while the world around it (and him) falls apart?)

I'm not about to claim that the US is paradise compared to Putin's Russia (Russia as a separate entity and people are perfectly fine in my book, often great). What you've said here does seem to conflict with the spirit of your post's message though.

What you've said here does seem to conflict with the spirit of your post's message though.

now its starting to stink

Why did you move to the US then?

Seems like some fake news itself lol sorry your country is such a miserable shit hole that it makes America look great in comparison

Out of curiosity, what makes American so great?

The Constitution?

We actually get a chance to vote out our authoritarian dictator instead of swapping him with a temporary puppet like Medvedev.

Yeah, I'm sure none of your candidates are puppets, either..

No puppet. No puppet. You’re the puppet, -DJT

Yeah we fucked that one up.

Bojangles, Cook out, need I say more?

If we are comparing the US to Russia, it should be noted that Russia's life expectancy is only 70.9 years. The US is 27th, but ranks within 2-5 years of the top tier EU and east asian countries in terms of life expectancy, whereas Russia is a shocking 13 years below Japan, 11 below Germany. And everyone knows US health care is a mess, there are many other quality of life metrics where the US is much more competitive.

You're correct, but I wasn't comparing the US to Russia, just countering OP's point that "America is great"

You have to remember that there are population groups in America that alter those numbers.
The interesting thing is that these groups often do much better in the U.S than they do in other countries...A good example of this is the African American population in the U.S is still the 18th richest population on earth.

You have to remember that there are population groups in America that alter those numbers.

Exactly, like in the example you cited.

Due to the fact that the US has a disproportionate amount of billionaires when compared to the rest of the world, we need to use median income, not mean. When you take the average, inclusive of billionaires, the numbers skew up significantly.

Here are the actual median incomes in the US, by race. Source

Oh please as if anyone watching their favorite partisan news is "woke" and full of critical thought ---- NO. They are being programmed and parroting MSM talking points.

But to say that it's preferable

Who said this?

To play the devil's advocate, let's take the example of Canadian news (I'm Canadian).

The argument here isn't that we're being controlled by the Canadian government. OP's point is that there are a lot of news stories daily, but only so much time in a newscast. In Canada (and Russia apparently, as per OP), the news doesn't focus exclusively on crime, sex scandals, war, violence, fear, etc. There's a bigger push to report actual news stories, not just the ones that scare the shit out of you.

Your arguments fall apart when you apply them to the free press in Canada, because the issue isn't Russian or Canadian, it's American.

Russian news doesn't just not completely focus on crime, sex, scandals, war, etc; it avoids it altogether. The purpose of Russian media is to make people feel as though Putin is doing as good of a job as possible, and the fact that people on a conspiracy subreddit are upvoting a post in favor of government controlled media is mind-boggling.

Isn't it? I'll admit that I don't come to /r/conspiracy much—I mainly drop in to chime in on the Russia scandal—but seeing threads like this on its front page just make me sad. It's really not hard to understand why an authoritarian regime wants to portray a positive version of itself in state media.

And I'll go one step further: news should be negative. Self-criticism is the only way a group of people can improve itself, and a negative press is the only way a country can work to remove its flaws.

BTW, for people who don't know I made the subreddit /r/RussiaLago to discuss Trump-Russia. Collusion skeptics are also welcome (provided you're respectful and don't troll).

Haha wow, you're a peach!

Uh, thanks?

News can be negative but why does American Media blatantly lie to achieve their goal?

Seems like you’re approaching this as though the news in America is 100% honest and they have the best interests of the country in mind.

I didn't say the media is always honest, I said they should always be negative. No one is perfect, so negativity and honesty are usually aligned. Things can always be better.

If a media outlet does nothing but cheerlead on behalf of power, that's when problems arise. For example, see the Iraq War.

Yet we live in an era where “always reporting a negative spin” involves use of propaganda. It’s fucked either way.

"Russian news doesn't just not completely focus on crime, sex, scandals, war, etc; it avoids it altogether. The purpose of Russian media is to make people feel as though Putin is doing as good of a job as possible"
Great point and explained nice and simply.
"and the fact that people on a conspiracy subreddit are upvoting a post in favor of government controlled media is mind-boggling."
Aaaand you missed the point. Stop gaslighting your agenda. People aren't upvoting it because they think it either has to be one extreme or the other. People are upvoting because it shows an alternate perspective.
You had the opportunity with your comment to really flesh-out the discussion on how a media organisation communicates information, but instead you went and responded reactionarily and made it more divisive.

It's funny that you act ignorant of the government control of American media. Even the JFK papers released said their was CIA agents embedded in all the american news positions.

The CIA having assets in American media was well elucidated in the Church committee hearings, etc in the 60s/70s. I don't think the ARRB/JFK act revealed anything new? And by the way the reason the CIA had assets in domestic media was so that they could target foreign propaganda from a more complete avenue. It wasn't about influencing the American people.

As for Obama changing the law against domestic propaganda, are you talking about https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countering_Foreign_Propaganda_and_Disinformation_Act ??

Because it was about countering foreign propaganda, not allowing domestic propaganda by the U.S government.

This is what I was talking about and all regular community members here already know of. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_for_Fiscal_Year_2013#Smith-Mundt_Modernization_Act_of_2012

Your entire argument falls apart when you factor in the fact that US Media is using propaganda domestically.

The comments that get downvoted in this sub make it look like /news in this mother fucker.

Actually, you are wrong. The OP reads Russian and I am sure he could tell you much about crimes that happen, urban issues and political disagreements. I read a lot in translation and learn quite a bit about problems in Russia, not just feel-good stories.

Here's some advise for you (not that you'd take it): you should listen to the full 4 hour press court where Putin gave answers to questions that ranged all over the map. From Russian regions not getting a fair shake, to dealing with an aggressive NATO to criticisms about not doing more for Donbass. Well, I did listen to it all and I can assure you many questions were so pointed and critical that I doubt you'll ever see any elected representative of the US being willing - and able - to withstand such a grilling.

So, go read something -other than your talking points, of course. who knows, you might learn a thing or two. not such a bad thing to do!

To play the devil's advocate

Other devil's advocates usually have a "productive" point. But you are just being autistic here.

No. OP's point was that US news coverage is pretty negative, but he made the mistake of trying to hold up Russia as the bastion of the free press.

What I'm trying to point out is that there are other examples, like Canada (which is the most similar country to the US), that don't have the same negative news coverage as the US.

Meanwhile you don't understand my point, so you try to explain what playing the devil's advocate means, while calling me autistic. I'm sorry you couldn't understand the very simple analogy I made...

No. OP's point was that US news coverage is pretty negative, but he made the mistake of trying to hold up Russia as the bastion of the free press.

Is what the guy you initially replied to was trying to say...

What I'm trying to point out is that there are other examples, like Canada (which is the most similar country to the US), that don't have the same negative news coverage as the US.

That's not exactly news. I am Canadian myself. And I am pretty sure many people here are already aware that the American news is more "toxic/divisive" than many other places. Your criticism is something a logic101 prof/TA would point out in a test, but in practice, it's not productive because most people here are already aware of your point.

Meanwhile you don't understand my point

Actually, I do. Initially I wanted to edit my post to prevent potential misunderstanding, but for some reason the edit option didn't show up when I refresh.

Playing the devil's advocate doesn't mean "having a productive point",

I was speaking from experience. Not stating a by-the-book definition.

we don't have a free press here in the US, 90% is MSM they all follow Langleys meme of the week, the rest are struggling and/or doing local news.

I liked Obama but let's be honest, they were pushing propaganda then, too.

Obama killed US citizen with drone strikes, and without due process. He escalated the drone wars and increased domestic spying. He was better than most, but he was still pushing all of the dirty shit that the US has always been about.

Of course his argument falls apart in the Canadian context because it was largely specific to Russia and Putin lol..

Our media outlets aren't all controlled by Justin Trudeau like it is on Russia. That whole intimate connection of media interests and a tight fisted authoritarian leader who kills journalists and political opponents was the whole point of their post..

The unity and image presented in Russia is problematic due to it being controlled by their leader who acts that way...

Absolutely, and I agree. I was simply pointing out that many of the counterarguments, while correct when applied to Russia, are not exclusive to Russia itself.

For example, Russia news coverage of positive, and puts Russia in a good light. In this context, we're talking about propaganda. But taken from the other side of OP's argument, the US narrative is quite negative.

I'm simply pointing out that there is middle ground. A nation (Canada), can have positive news coverage unlike the US, while not being a state controlled arm of the government propaganda engine.

Can the negativity and tension being pushed by Western media also be propaganda of a non-nationalistic sort?

I see what you're saying but I'm pretty sure propaganda is political by definition. If anything that's probably classified as social engineering or manufacturing dissent, but it's still the same thing, just from a different source.

If Obama was in they would support Obama

Somehow right wing people in America started thinking that Russia is a friend and not an enemy of the United States and nato. Russia never stopped the cold war. Their president is an ex kgb boss.

Just like trump being a billionaire that's never cared about anyone else in the world didn't suddenly wake up and decide to care about anyone else like the middle class. Putin didn't wake up suddenly and decide the cold war was a waste and that America is good.

Hey look! More negativity and fear mongering!

Trump has done lots of good and kind things for people. Paid people's hospital bills. Flown strangers around the country, etc. He's not a saint, but he's not the boogyman the media paints him to be.

He's not a saint, but he's not the boogyman the media paints him to be.

You're right. Let's not insult the boogyman. He's much worse. He's fucked over lots and lots of people in intentional, calculated mean ways. lmao like the people in New York City have been hearing about his shit for decades

I only ever found 1 case where someone had a valid claim of mistreatment (piano company). Can you name any? Or are you just full of Reeee?

did he, or just lie about. What he does he does for show anyway.

Putin was never a KGB boss. He was a mid-level intelligence officer at the peak of his intelligence career, and his overall work career is defined by bureaucracy, not by his KGB involvement.

By the way, H.W. Bush was actually head of the CIA. How many years did he serve as President again?

Russia never stopped the cold war.

Tell that NATO who's expanding eastward despite the false promises of H.W. Bush.

H.W. Bush was actually head of the CIA. How many years did he serve as President again?

twenty

8+4+8, Reagan, GHWB, GWB.

the Clinton and Obama years are up for vote.

You're right about Putin's official KGB record. But you've neglected to mention that he was the director of the FSB from July 25, 1998 – August 9, 1999, coincidentally right before the apartment bombings, which many have blamed directly on the FSB.

Hi, am FSB agent previously convicted of robbing bank. Yes I go into apartment building carrying bag of powder, shhh it's Chechnyan terrorist attack.

/s

NATO also just lost some 250+ million dollars of funding if the MSM reports about trumps tax/AEGIS upgrade/NATO fund slash are legit..

By the way, H.W. Bush was actually head of the CIA. How many years did he serve as President again?

4, because there are checks and balances to ensure a leader does not get 140% of the vote

The cold war ended during the dismantling of socialism in the USSR. Current hostilities between Russia and the US are not a continuation of the cold war, they began with Putin asserting that Russia would no longer bow to Western desires, making it an obstacle to US objectives in the Middle East and Central Asia after the invasion of Iraq.

The cold war was a struggle between socialism and capitalism/imperialism. It was not a struggle between competing abstract ethical notions of the "good". That struggle still exists in a much different form between the west and China, Cuba, Vietnam, etc, but the current hostility between Russia and the US is of a fundamentally different nature. It's a conflict between the mutually exclusive interests of competing businesses.

Well said. The Cold War was indeed a battle of antithetical ideologies competing for dominance. The current “war” (power struggle is more accurate) is two states competing for dominance under a shared ideological paradigm. Vastly different.

Your statement is ridiculous.

Having spent some time in Eastern Europe, I've found it refreshing how they've utterly rejected Marxism and all the nonsense it entails. Their attitude seems to be "been there, done that, it didn't work."

Here in the United States, there's a large swath of the population that embraces Marxism. My respect for Russia comes from their rejection of it.

Somehow people forgot that russia was our friend in both world wars when it mattered... And clinton was the potus to re-mend relations with russia after the ussr collapse... The only reason russia is 'bad' is because they started calling us on our bs and millitaristic invasions and arming of terrorists.... After letting it slide for a couple of decades. Oh, and breaking from the petro dollar was a no-no.

Great comment, I mean who else has military bases in over a hundered countries. And the petro dollar thing is one thing I wish would be given more coverage on here, it's the only reason our currency still has any value because it creates the demand for it and allows our government to keep printing us into a defecit that nobody knows how big. One day people are gonna look back and be mad at all of us for wasting our time on celebrity culture ,social media, and arguing over things that don't matter and that we really don't actually know about.

This whole russia russia russia panic is about as valid as anthrax from iraq... And if anyone has looked into where that bio-wep came from, who it targeted, and how much it was used to push a war, i see this current panic as the same. Cant let people know why we actually want a war, so gotta get their shorts in a knot over something something fear-mongering relatable to people who will be lied into supporting a war.

Somehow right wing people in America started thinking that Russia is a friend and not an enemy of the United States and nato.

Up until a few years ago the left felt that Russia were our friends. The more things change the more they stay the same.

Putin could do what the US deep State does and use the media to scare and divide Russians, then gain more power for himself. But he’s a nationalist, not a globalist, so it’s only natural he would focus on the positive aspects of Russia. It’s diplomatic and logical. He is fighting against the Global Deep State and they already abuse the media and focus on the negative; they want confusion, disorder, chaos, war, to harm RussiNs and to get rid of Vladimir Putin——why wouldnt he focus on the positive aspects of Russia and do everything he can to benefit Russia and the Russians?

this is some real dear leader shit right here. putin is the deep state, him and his rich buddies. you work for fsb dude?

remember the foreign millions were flowing into the US into the Clinton Foundation and the DNC.

I'm not totally supporting Putin, just observing what his motives might be. I think its very clear Putin cannot be Deep State--- there are no Rothschild banks in Russia, there are no more adoptions of Russian babies into the US. The Putin Interviews by Oliver Stone are very interesting.

He might be a Czar of sorts but it's possible for a Czar to be mostly for the good guys.

Actually, I think you don't get the difference between the two countries on a deep level (deeper than seeing propaganda there but not here).

What I believe we are seeing from the Russian side (which I can read only in translation) is a sense of a country on the ascendancy. Russia emerged out of the Soviet Union in an extremely bad shape, but much has been changed for the better. People's lives there are in the process of improving - talk to any older Russian person who's been through it all, and they'll tell you that (but forget about talking to the Russophobes and people like Gessen who have an ax to grind. Also too many of the Jewish Russians who emigrated to the US still nurture a bad case of Russophobia, but that's another story).

By contrast, the US is an Empire in decline. All the signs point to that. Of course, great things are not being built because the Defense budget eats up every spare penny of the discretionary spending. Sp people notice. F.35's that are, well, problematic and expensive on the one hand, crumbling bridges and failure to help Puerto Rico on the other hand. The inequality in the US is so staggering by now that it's impossible not to notioce the divergence of the workforce into at least three distinct classes, with 60% of the people bringing up the rear. So, no they don't feel good about things, and no, great things are not being built (I mean, just how many of the people ever asked for a self-driving car?).

Russia is celebrating a truly awsome campaign in Syria, executed masterfully, and getting ever closer to the intended goals. But America? what campaign execution? what strategy? what is all that huge defense budget producing other than jobs for aerospace (a form of welfare for the skilled) and a never ending chain production of weapons the military often did not even want and cannot use?

Russians get to read about the construction of the kerch bridge to Crimea. A truly awesome endeavor which engages over 10,000 people and countless companies. The project is being done on schedule so far, and the employment it generates is extremely welcome. So what's not to celebrate? I am sure that if someone wanted they could find negatives. Things not going well. Questionable contracts. But those things ARE being discussed in the Russian language media, just that it does not feel like problems are not being addressed.

PS I realize your job (self-appointed or not) is to question any positive narrative about Russia. But just so you know, many of us see the same picture the OP does, and your Debbie Downer input needed to be addressed, even if is directed from elsewhere.

Im pretty sure i read smewhere that hundreds of reporters have been killed for speaking iut against the government. (Will find source)

Say what you will about the devide Russias censorship is a worse boat to be in.

Ignorance is bliss, but thats not a bliss i would want any part of.

Better to kill them all than let parasites continue spreading lies.

Imagine unironically saying to yourself, "you know, government corruption and assassination of civilians is okay, as long as they're people I dislike"

Please go back to whatever neo-fascist state you come from and stop wasting our precious oxygen.

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Im pretty sure i read somewhere

So it must be true then right?

You can clearly see i provided a source as i said i would

And the Clinton bodybag means nothing? What about Seth Rich?

Russia is bad guys

B-B-B-BUT CLINTON!!!

Fuck off. How much are you being paid?

Cute little snipe by altering my text, but that is not what I said.

I don't think I ever implied that it was literally what you said. Do you have the 'tism?

Focus on my content, bro. Instead of trying to evade with your memes

What "content"? You said I was altering your text, I said that I didn't imply that was literally what you said, and now you're saying I'm "trying to evade with your memes" (what the fuck does that even mean?)

I'll ask again, do you have the 'tism?

I do not. I don't condone 4chan's abuse of mental (genetic?) handicaps, though.

Fixating on "what about Hillary" means as a means to refute my point is an evasion tactic. My point was that people in the US get killed all the time for sharing secrets, especially government secrets. Snowden, for example, was labeled a traitor and is probably being stalked with a sniper to his head.

Thats not the same thing as not allowing the press to report on anything that reflects negatively on the government

When does the news report real government corruption?So far they are obsessed with blaming Russia for everything.

I don't think you understand what you're saying, because once again, you're screeching, "WHAT ABOUT HILLARY???" But the rest of your post is more entertaining, or it would be, if it didn't come off like a lunatic wrote it.

My point was that people in the US get killed all the time for sharing secrets, especially government secrets

Name one person. And no, baseless accusations about the Clintons don't count.

Snowden, for example,

I spit out the tea I was drinking here. The person you name as an example of how the US government kills whistle blowers... is someone who is alive. Fucking bravo, man.

was labeled a traitor

After going over to Hong Kong (controlled by the Chinese), then Russia, and probably (definitely) giving away our secrets to them. Leaking the information about the NSA spying was justified, but just about nothing else he did was right.

and is probably being stalked with a sniper to his head

Snowden leaked the information in 2013. It is 2017. He's alive.

Does the US have problems with the way it treats journalists and whistle blowers? Yes. Does it come close to being anywhere near as bad as Russia? Of course not.

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Im pretty sure i read somewhere that hundreds of reporters have been killed for speaking out against the government. (Will find source)

his name was Michael Hastings.

A lot of russia's censorship has to do with the fact that america is pouring millions into the country in an attempt to stoke political unrest. Russia isn't like most countries that the US seeks to influence because they're not 3rd world enough to just arm their separatists, but they also don't have the framework that western europe, canada, australia, south korea have that allows the US to buy ad space, do business, and promote NGOs such as Soros's Open Society.

It was revealed a while back that russia was taking out ads during the election where they promoted radical feminism/black lives matter in an attempt to anger people who see these groups becoming less about equality and more about female/black supremacy. Similarly, america has promoted feminism, atheism, and gay rights extensively in russia. In the same way that our companies like facebook and twitter are cracking down on russia's propaganda, russia cracks down on ours as well.

Any evidence of american propaganda in russia?

Any evidence for Russian propaganda in USA?

It's retarded to believe either of these things aren't happening, and the USA clearly has the upper hand as far as international interference goes.

Any evidence for Russian propaganda in USA?

Yeah

There’s a bunch of evidence of Russia creating propaganda in America. Have you not been paying attention at all?

Heres some fun stories to get you up to date.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/09/07/us/politics/russia-facebook-twitter-election.html?_r=0&amp;referer=https://www.google.com.au/

https://www.google.com.au/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/4783932/inside-russia-social-media-war-america

https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2017/10/29/560461835/how-russian-propaganda-spreads-on-social-media

Yeah no shit read my comment again.

Please - are you saying the American media isn't keeping you ignorant?

I can't believe you're defending the system. Their job really is complete.

Im not defending the system. But if i had to choose between the two, i’d choose america

I guess the point isn't choosing between the two though. It's making things better, not accepting the status quo

http://quotesnew.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/pol-pot-tumblr-274617.jpg

They're trying to push for civil war because if it cant be mine, it cant be anybody's.

Russians people are on avg considerably smarter than Americans. The relative affluence of the USA provides us the opportunity to be dumb & still survive. In most countries, being dumb is dangerous.

I said “relative affluence” which is accurate. Esp if you consider the social pgms that provide a safety-net to Americans who are handicapped, addicted, felons, lazy. Many parts of the world this class of people disappear.

Russian media is ran by the government. It's in its best interest to pretend everything is amazing and glorious leader Putin is a blessing to Russia.

It's no different than the shit you would see in North Korea.

The US media is entirely driven by the corporations that own them who prioritize money over all. And we learned 9/11 fear and anger get the best ratings. It's why fox does so well compared to everyone else.

Now given a choice between the two I'll go for the one that isn't controlled by the gov.

I believe as an outsider, you have fallen for the media trap that some Americans have fallen for. America is a great place to live and its not due to the government. They only hamper our living. What makes America great is its citizens. Look how we came together after 911. Look how much of the world came together right after 911. Humans are what matter, not governments.

Look how much of the world came together Iraq's population was destroyed right after 911

ftfy

Iraq's population was being destored by a tyrant for years. I do think Bush lied about wmds, but i also think Saddam was a horrible dictator.

Not arguing with that. But Iraq/Saddam had nothing to do with 911, and only a corrupt media could suggest otherwise.

Of course Saddam Hussein had chemical weapons, we sold him that shot after Ronald Reagan's election

I did say i thought Bush lied about wmds. I thought it was a grudge left over from his dad. I also thought it was a place to put a strong hold in the middle east. Do i think it was right? I dont. Thats still besides the piont i was trying to make. Most of the world came together. It was unfortunate for the people of Iraq

Most of the world came together

The invasion of Iraq was illegal according to the UN and only four countries supported it.

It was unfortunate for the people of Iraq

You're a master of understatement.

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First off, i dont give a crap about the UN. Understatement is correct, but how else can i say it, other than unfortunate. You are talking about one nation that was already being terrorized by their own government. Im talking about all other nations coming together. Did the majority of the world not come together and support America at the time.

First off, i dont give a crap about the UN.

Yeah, fuck stupid international law. What a stupid idea.

You are talking about one nation that was already being terrorized by their own government

Best thing to do? Sell them chemical weapons and then pretend the world's policeman needs invade, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people in the process and turning the nation into a failed state that remains a breeding ground for terrorism to this day.

Im talking about all other nations coming together

Very few nations supported the invasion of Iraq, possibly because Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.

Yeah ,fuck international law, and i know you where being sarcastic. Im not, it is a stupid idea. Where is the proof of mustard gas sales to Saddam? Did you not read your own link? Four major western countries along with a coalition of other counties supported the war in Iraq. And i have already said that i didnt think Iraq had something to do with 911. Im through arguing about this because i think we are on two different subjects. Im was trying to optimistic and you are being pessimistic. I dont like war and im not trying to justifie the war in Iraq.

Google?

https://www.counterpunch.org/2004/06/17/how-reagan-armed-saddam-with-chemical-weapons/

Completely agree, but let's not give the UN much credit. It was the brainchild of the Council on Foreign Relations and European bankers and oligarchs. It's not a system we should be supporting at all.

Have you seen the mustard gas experiments on his civilians.

Have you seen who sold him the mustard gas.

... That he used on civilians.

I think you mean volition. And he did so with the CIA's approval .

Meant what I said and your link doesn't support your argument.

Plenty more links where that came from .

You're free to use the English language as you wish, of course.

If you watch news to confirm your biases instead of being informed, you are doing it wrong.

And what unbiased news you watch instead?

I only watch CNN, MSNBC, and TYT they are the best unbiased, credible sources out there.

go back to t_d troll

I was just making a joke, lighten up.

Grow up

Being thick-skinned is part of being a mature adult.

Says the Trump supporter

Would be nice to have a mature adult in the white house who understood what climate change was and didn't feel the need to tweet out all caps tweets proving his ignorance on the subject, or crying about SNL making jokes about him, or the media just quoting his statements.

Your shitty attempt at a "joke" was called out for being garbage trolling, toughen up that skin if you can't take it

I don't like Trump's attitude or tantrums he holds on Twitter.

There, now you have nothing else left to come at me with.

You don't get to vote for a child then tell other people to be mature.

Stop projecting

I don't like Trump's attitude or tantrums he holds on Twitter.

Yet you keep supporting him...

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Find a news source you disagree with.... Instead of your comfort zone echo chamber

Personally everything from veteranstoday.com to cnn.com

altho Russians certainly spin things and lie, I much prefer their news to American ones. At least it somehow makes me proud of Russia.

Lol yeah that's the fucking point, you're openly admitting that the propaganda works.

2017, or how /r/conspiracy learned to stop worrying and love the state.

altho Russians certainly spin things and lie, I much prefer their news to American ones. At least it somehow makes me proud of Russia.

Sounds like their propaganda works pretty good then.

It makes you proud about russia because that's what propaganda is designed to do.

"Ok, so my wife lies about where she goes during the day. When we're together she makes me feel so good!"

You're pretending that there's only two options:

Canada's news isn't violence and fear driven like it is in the US, and we're not run by a dictator.

So much this. Shills and idiots in this thread are trying to make it an absolutist, "either/or", cut-and-dry issue. It's far more than that. We've been given two extremes in op's post. It isn't about choosing between the two. It's about looking at both, analysing what works and what doesn't from each, and respectively why, and then coming together to work out what the potential next best solutions to this problem are moving forward.

That's because we are a US vassal state.

I agree with this sentiment but you'd be surprised how much in the MSM comes directly from the Pentagon. Not disagreeing with you in any way or supporting Russia but corporations and the govt are in bed with each other.

Yes, that's right, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain .

Remember, poppies will make you sleep.

Except for the Operation Mockingbird thing

I would rather have that than the media constantly baiting and provoking people to act over something very minuscule. Don't get me wrong that I love the Russian media but I would rather prefer that over doom and gloom like we are running out of oil, security, double spak, surveillance and much more

The US media is entirely driven by the corporations that own them who prioritize money over all. And we learned 9/11 fear and anger get the best ratings. It's why fox does so well compared to everyone else.

It's really that simple. For instance a few years ago CNN was down in the ratings barely making it. 2017 has been the most viewed year ever for CNN and this is largely due to bashing the president. You only need ratings and the resulting advertisement money to realize why tv focus on it. People eat it up like cupcakes.

And as shitty as that sounds I'll still take that 100x over state ran media.

The US media is run by corporate gangsters. One is not more truthful than the other.

I do not like the US for this reason, among others. The land of the free is a facade--- Americans are in a golden cage.

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Honest question: if you have access to both and America is such a shit hole, why are you living here?

Blame pharmco's. Its It's all the anti depressants they're shoving down people's throats for the almighty dollar.

If you were in Russia, complaining about Russia on a Russian forum you would probably be decapitated IRL.

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What you speak of comrade Tovarisch? Shh shh

Literal state run propoganda is better because its more positive

Consider taking a vow of silence so that nobody has to hear your retarded opinions again

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North Korea only shows only positive stories about how good Kim Jong Un is and how their country is prospering... no negative stories. Weird how when you're in a communist/dictatorship country they only show positive stories...

You mean positive news like spreading lies about rape cases in germany,saying Georgia commited genocide in 2008,false reporting about genocide commited by the ukrainian government or financing foreign politicians to spread russian interests im europe and the rest of the world?

get outta here

Why?Not able to handle the truth?

Well, good conspiracy has to have atleast small kernel of truth, and you have none.

Maybe truth means something different in Russia? Nice to see OP bringing in new people to this community, hopefully you stay past this thread.

The things if stated are all lies bye russian state TV and provable my friend

I think the difference lies in intrinsic cultural values that Americans no longer see any evidence of or reports about by design from a completely controlled mass media.

A lengthy and slow "boiling frogs" process that has reduced the United States to nothing but a corporate playground with the public rushing around willy-nilly from one thrill packed ride to another until they run out of tickets, like any other theme park. A break from normal reality that has actually become the present and only persistent reality they now know or experience.

Canadian and Russian cultures are both deeply affected by the power and unforgiving nature of the land and northern climates they happen to live in that is also true for Icelanders, Scandinavians, and other countries of the northernmost regions of the world.

They all have and appreciate a collective need to take care of one another that simply goes without saying due to that. One that they have always responded to... an ever-present "life and death" situation they are regularly and annually exposed to and reminded about that takes precedence over everything else.

So Nature's sometimes cruel and unforgiving nature is combatted by and with a more benevolent and forgiving human nature whose successes and survival against that are always important to report, celebrate, and be mindful about.

Since it's a such primary and elemental thing it extends into and is reflected in numerous other aspects of their cultures as well in terms of how they see and respond to one another's needs and circumstances.

It's not enough to simply punish what is bad or errant in human nature and simply expect what is genuinely good about it to prevail without any positive promotion and reinforcement.

The US has deteriorated to the point where there is more corporate money to be made from actually having the problems and villians to deal with than promoting the kind of general encouragement and attitudes that would reduce the number of them. They are in fact, gaming the system, and gaming their own society for private profits. Actually diverting revenues and resources away from positive actions to prevent and reduce those very problems as much as it is possible to do.

US media is about what needs to be done to improve as society

Russian media is about making you think you have a good life

If we are talking about TV news then you need to realise that the majority of there audience is over 65 and most young people find news elsewhere. I also think while Russia is a bad choice for an example you do raise a good point. I think think that Canada makes a way better example as our news is far less depressing compared to US news as far as I have seen, and we are culturally similar.

Possibly because Canada is only 1/10 the population of the US, so less people to cause scandals and such.

You are on point. I think they are using two different tactics. The Russian government is actually afraid of their populous and tries to make sure they are kept calm, happy and relaxed, (as Russian history is filled with examples of the result of unhappy Russians, and its result). The US government on the other hand doesn't fear its populous (as they are really good at controlling them) and instead feed them with fear to keep them more scared and looking for a government to protect them.

This is clearly Russian propaganda and you are all eating it up, the irony

muh Russia

do you know or talk to - in person - any russians? i work with several and am able to pick their brains about their view on putin, american politics. i talk in depth about russian history, politics, culture, economics.

you say this is propaganda and we're eating it up. i kind of think its an honest perspective based on the perspective i hear from my russian friends (in america).

they generally love russia and putin and i think their media is highly successful in influencing that perspective. think for a second, at 26, 27 their parents lived through the fall of the USSR, they were educated differently... their parents were highly propagandized. that and the rise in russian GDP since putin was declared prime minister in 1999. they attribute it all to putin and i think the media portrays putin well.

i love chatting with my russian (and former soviet union) friends. good folks :)

Thank you very much sir, I actually find this to be very important and overlooked information.

Capitalism has destroyed the US just as capitalism has destroyed the rest of the world.

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Yeah, it has nothing to do with people not eating up blatant propaganda, in support of propaganda.

Get the fuck outta here with your victim complex.

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Yeah, it is very odd that a post admitting to preferring Russian propaganda because it makes OP feel better is at the top of this sub. Very strange voting there.

Oh goodie another "scapegoat topminds" post by head mod...

Just for ONCE can you show that they are doing anything you claim?

Its on purpose. They want to keep people in US in constant state of fear, chaos and depression to prevent them from waking up and overthrowing the cabal. Media is only one tool they use of many. Another would be food/water and drugs. Almost everything is toxic or full of poison.

Another shill thread pumping fascist Russia and Putin.

FFS......

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It is the same with the news in the UK, no positivity just fear mongering

Cue the patriotic idiots that think there USA is the best thing since sliced bread

The key to happiness and success in America is to avoid the news and instead focus on b bettering yourself.

News is a product like any other in the US. They’ve discovered that fear and anger sell because people will watch it and they become addicted.

Just don’t watch the shit. Find local community groups (churches, hobbies, sports). You’ll find real Americans there.

Heck ya, Us Canadians are usually full of pride, unity, team work and maple syrup!

Biggest news story in my area (Toronto) this morning was a bus driver passed out at the wheel and a passenger hopped up and saved the bus from crashing.

Most of the negativity you find in Canada is directly related to US television or issues.

I mean our Prime Minister has been found guilty of an ethics violation but it's a lame charge IMO. But I am not one to ask about good ethics! hah

This is because Canada is a US vassal state.

It's all about profits. The US media learned it could make tons of money by keeping people in an emotional reactionary state, and theyre abusing it

My hometown paper is much like you describe Russian news. Filled with positive stories about the cities good points, features promoting businesses, etc. But it’s also crap for actual news. They all but cover up any negative stories that could blow back on a town business or prominent family. We have high crime rate and poorly run public schools, but the paper devotes barely even lip-service to these issues.

In short what I am getting at is, my town newspaper isn’t an actual source for news. It’s a PR tool for our region. Much like the Russian “news” you describe with such positivity.

News is verifiably factual information in the public interest. Propaganda is manipulation to control the public’s interest.

Well Russian news is state sponsored so that all makes sense. I’m no fan of modern American journalism but at least it isn’t overtly controlled by government. Not saying there is no influence because there is but it has to be secret. American news media is the result of a free press covertly manipulated by secret organizations to set an agenda. Russian news is state sponsored propaganda so it comes as no surprise that it attempts to portray the motherland in a positive light. Is that a bad thing, yes and no, in my opinion.

And free market news is going to publish whatever viewers are going to watch.

There’s power in information which means news media may not publish a story that damages the agenda they are pushing even though it may be good for business. They’re gatekeepers. The structure of the news industry allows them to withhold information because we don’t know what they aren’t telling us and they’re our only source of easy information about the outside world. Most people don’t realize the news is a racket so the networks can use that ignorance to their advantage to push narratives instead of objective information.

yeah, we don't build on positivity because of the george soros agenda, but yeah i'm just a moron to say that... nothin to see here....

I think Micheal Moore did a movie about that, compared Canadian news to american news and everything american was about fear mongering to drive people to consume more.

It's like the media are trying to egg on social dissolution.

I didn't see a SINGLE positive story about anything, like a bridge being built or something ... nothing.

You're not looking very hard then. All that stuff is out there: the good, the bad, and the human interest type stories that aren't really news at all.

This is the most pro-Russia propaganda trash I have ever read. Supposedly the OP hates America and loves Russia but still chooses to live here.

OP whines about American media being negative yet spends most of his comments being negative and divisive calling America a shithole full of immigrant trash (not aware of the irony of himself being an immigrant). OP ignores the fact the the Kremlin kills and jails journalists for dissent and Putin literally just banned an opponent from running against him in the upcoming election.

Fuck you OP. I’m proud to be an American and I don’t know where the fuck you live, but most everyone I know here in America is happy and wouldn’t agree with your extremely divisive, negative, hate-mongering of the US. We enjoy friendly banter about football, basketball, baseball, and hockey. We enjoy fantasy football, golf, and this beautiful land with amazing national parks. We enjoy donating time and money and if Russia had a national disaster the scale of other ones like Tsunamis or hurricanes or earthquakes, we’d donate billions just like we do for other countries. Most Americans wouldn’t care about your rosy-glasses, holier-than-thou Russian propaganda.

No one is forcing you to stay in this country that you hate and want to smear. It if you want to, we’re not going to murder or imprison you like the Kremlin would for dissent.

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geez this thread is a shit show.

please stop upvoting comments that threaten or harass OP.

It is sadly very true what you say about America. Things have gotten... weird. Very dystopian and mentally/emotionally toxic. I sometimes wonder if anyone is even at the reigns anymore, or if they're just kind of living high on the hog while the rest of us wallow in despair and kill ourselves off slowly or quickly. Fucking tragic, really, considering the amazing potential that this country could have.

Downvoted immediately. Apparently some still think that America is doing A-okay. lol

Stop watching tabloid news. Watch your local news, tons of feel-good stories there.

What is up with these almost daily “Russia is better than the West” posts?

Jesus Christ, are you not even trying to hide it anymore?

They're not. And look at everyone falling in line with them. I'm not saying the US is great or anything, but Russia isn't necessarily a poster-country

Division is the whole end game here in the good USA. "A house divided against itself cannot stand." ~ Abraham Lincoln.

The Shock Doctrine

Remember its "Russian propaganda" which is tearing apart democracy.

Not the fair and unbiased US based mainstream media. They would never do any form of social engineering or propaganda nor would they ever exploit fear

Lol, how blatant.

Canadians are happy cause they have good reason to be

You were fed happy propaganda, just like the US is fed sad propaganda

the fact this sub gobbles up all this pro russian propaganda sure is terrifying, remember when this sub didn't like governments?

This, like most "Russian" posts on /r/conspiracy is being reported repeatedly.

PSA: This post does not break any of /r/conspiracy 's rules and will not be reported.

ignores reports

What reason are people giving when they report it?

It doesn't portray Russia as the spawn of Satan.

No reason, it appears.

Abuse of the report button has been ramping up as of late.

"Those" who would try to control the conversation and the topics that reach the front page are very upset by the recent changes on /r/conspiracy , so they're lashing out.

Fortunately, it's only a mere inconvenience for the mods, however it's important that the rest of the /r/conspiracy community knows what's happening.

I love you.

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I second cutol. You are doing fantastic work in our sub and I thank you immensely.

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At this point he's the only active mod besides mastagia that seems authentic.

I love getting downvotes for our commentary. Ha ha. True conspiracy members showing their love.

Are these reports visible to the public somewhere? Currently it seems like you just let us know when a post you like is getting wrongly reported in order to give the impression such views are being oppressed.

I'm not claiming you're lying about these reports, but it can be misleading if we only hear about them when it's convenient.

Are these reports visible to the public somewhere?

No, but what is visible is the public mod log. Every time a mod approves a post or ignores a report, it's recorded.

Public modlogs show us approving User Reports.

Well, i personaly I like the new rule. It's really cut back on the spam and shit posts

Agreed!

People are probably reporting it because it fits the exact message of Russia's foreign propaganda policy. Which is to sow division and resentment in the U.S/west and to try and reduce the current standing of the U.S/west in the international arena.

We don't need any help from Russia to sow division and resentment. We have the US "media" doing a very good job of that already. Seems to be the point of this post...

Yeah it's totally Russia doing that and not our own media apparatus. In fact, I don't know about you but I am feeling under enough social stress to consent to another war!

Horseshit conspiracy theory. So nothing remotely positive can be said about Russia?

How much tinfoil have you bought recently, btw?

You can say positive things about Russia, but if you say positive things about Russia while simultaneously saying bad things about the US then we have a problem. Especially when the positive thing you're saying about Russia is that state-run propaganda is a good thing

It's not that it's a russian post, it's that it has nothing to do with any conspiracy at all. Pure and simple, all this post is doing is saying the media is negative. This should be in /r/thingspeoplesayatthewatercooler or some substitute.

Pure and simple, all this post is doing is saying the media is negative.

Lies. It also says media lies are good if they make you feel better.

Is it even possible for another comment to be tacked on here that are more shortsighted than the previous two without seeking intentional?

Sorry, I'm not a fan of lies to make you feel better anymore than I'm a fan of lies to increase your stress levels.

lies to make you feel better anymore than I'm a fan of lies to increase your stress levels

Okay, well neither of these are the point of the post in any way. We have real-time events that are being prioritized over others based on how the masses are seeked to be manipulated, not lies. Do you have thoughts that actually pertain to OP or are you going to continue entertaining yourself on a self-contained irrelevant tangent?

OP admits Russian media contains lies and spin. Pardon me with taking issue with it. Pass the kool-aid, please? Starting to look like we're living on a terminally ill planet if this is the sort of thing our "truth-seekers" are willing to swallow happily.

OP admits Russian media contains lies and spin. Pardon me with taking issue with it.

Are you saying you take issue with them saying that Russia has spin and lies and the contrary is definitively true?

Or are you saying you take issue with Russia media typically being trife with spin and lies, which OP had recognized?

Because either way, acting like all media from a source such as Russia or the United States are spin and lies is simply ignorant. You have to view a single event from all sides to paint the most accurate picture.

Literally nothing about OP said implies that Russia is better for its actions, only that there is a clear distinction between the two states.

I really don't see how you can say this with a straight face. Are you trying to gaslight me?

I hardly see how I could be gaslighting you when you seem to have taken it upon yourself.

But the anecdote provided by the OP doesn't prove that the US media is all lies? You can take the exact same premise (US media is all negative, Russian media is positive) and draw totally opposite conclusions.

Conclusion one: Russian media reports positive stories because they aren't trying to terrorize their populace like the US media, which is being used by the Deep State as a weapon against it's populace.

Conclusion two: Russian media is government controlled and promotes puff stories to pacify the populace, the US media is free to report, which results in negative stories which aren't minimized by an authoritarian government.

Basically, the anecdote proves nothing on it's own. It simply confirmation your beliefs either way.

Well to start, anecdotes don't prove anything. They're just anecdotes.

But I never said Western media doesn't lie too. I just question the motives of anyone who justifies state-run media with "but they make us feel better!"

Like, fucking duh. That's one of the many uses of propaganda. Especially in a state where the leaders have a habit of banning people from running against them.

Fucking love you for outing these vote/report brigading shills. Keep on letting us know what posts are going against the narrative!!

Why did you come to America?

OP is a russian 'expat' that says american news is so negative but russian news is stronk when russia's media is explicitly state controlled.

he's got another post where he himself shits on america.

He's spamming self submissions calling out america for it's colonialism and imperialism while defending russia, the country that invaded and annexed one of it's neighbors.

Something tells me he isn't here in good faith. This reeks of pro russian propoganda. The fact that it's so highly upvoted is suspicious and mind boggling.

The astroturfing of Russian propaganda in this sub has been obvious as hell and for the most part allowed to run rampant. Its sickening and Reddit does nothing about it

I just don't get it. I used to not take the whole "online russia campaign" thing seriously. But this post isn't even trying to be subtle about it.

What is the endgame? "America is a shit hole so believe in our totally-not-a-shithole?", "The government is taking away your freedoms so come to our totally-full-of-freedom country?"

Thats one of the biggest giveaways. Im all for talking about the shitty things my country does but to act like others don't have skeletons in their closet and are a bastion of good for the world is being manipulative.

Just because OP is Russian doesn't mean he's "astroturfing".

Between the content of the posts and the flood of comments pushing Russian superiority or anti-American rhetoric it shows a blatant coordinated astroturfing effort. This happens constantly in this sub and your one of the people consistently taking part in it.

It doesn't look coordinated to me at all. There are lots of people you are bound to disagree with online. There are massive amounts of people on reddit that share certain views and push rhetoric. It's normal and no more coordinated than echo chambers planning "raids" and such. This has all been totally normal on the internet for as long as it's existed. The only thing that's changed is people becoming hyperpartisan and claiming everyone that posts things that goes against their narrative is a bot or shill.

Now excuse me while I consistently post things you don't like on reddit.

[Reposted after mod deleted my highly upvoted comment, so I removed all references to OP since mod accused me of threatening him, which is specious at best]

This is the most pro-Russia propaganda trash I have ever read. Supposedly the OP hates America and loves Russia but still chooses to live here.

This post whines about American media being negative yet spends most of the follow up being negative and divisive calling America a dirty, awful,miserable, horrible shithole full of immigrant trash (not aware of the irony of himself being an immigrant). My entire inlaw family would disagree with you so much. They came from India with literally nothing in the 80s and now are the American Success Story as business owners and they would laugh at folks trying to claim that America is shithole because we’re a first world country whose citizens can actually buy things. the US ranks much higher on happiness indexes than Russia but totally believe This post that everyone in America is sad, depressed, miserable people who hate each other. And that Russians all love each other and are so happy all the time. Bull-fucking-shit. Pure pro-Russia, anti-America propaganda. Nearly the same as what is spewed in North Korea.

People seem to ignore the fact the the Kremlin kills and jails journalists for dissent and Putin literally just banned an opponent from running against him in the upcoming election.

I’m proud to be an American and most everyone I know here in America is happy and wouldn’t agree with the narrative that is extremely divisive, negative, hate-mongering of the US. We enjoy friendly banter about football, basketball, baseball, and hockey. We enjoy fantasy football, golf, and this beautiful land with amazing national parks. We enjoy donating time and money and if Russia had a national disaster the scale of other ones like Tsunamis or hurricanes or earthquakes, we’d donate billions just like we do for other countries. Most Americans wouldn’t care about rosy-glasses, holier-than-thou Russian propaganda.

No one is forcing anyone to stay in this country that some residents seem to hate and want to smear. And if people want to live here, we’re not going to murder or imprison them like the Kremlin would for dissent.

Ahem

It's all propaganda, we've just realized that it's more profitable to keep the people scared. Shit why do you think this sub does so well? It fearmongers the same way our media does.

So you prefer one type of propaganda to another. Both ameican and russian media are jokes.

We don't want to breed nationalism. It's a horrible poison that we've seen the results of before.

That's because diversity is a source of weakness, distrust, conflict, and strife. Any nation that falls for this new age Marxist religion of diversity and immigration will be torn apart.

Lol you mean Putin Propaganda is preferable to US mainstream propaganda? Maybe to you

Go to Russia Today website. First article on the first page: “2017 could have been year Russia and US made up. Now they stand on brink of new Cold War”

I don't sense any sort of unity in Americans.

When common culture, origin and heritage are disparaged and lately all but criminalized, all that's left is the "proposition nation".

And since several elements of the elite enjoy emphasizing differences and hyping minority-privilege, the mass of people shows no more loyalty than they do to Comcast or the Dallas Cowboys.

As many issues as the US has, I know where I would prefer to live. I lived in Moscow for 2 years and traveled around Russia. And if I had a choice between being forced to watch an hour of CNN, Fox and MSNBC every day or living in Russia, I’d choose the first option 10/10 times

If everyone just united under Trump, we'd have unity!

Russia bribe game is strong. https://www.indexmundi.com/blog/index.php/tag/corruption/

oh wow. Praise putin.

State controlled media thinks the state is doing a good job. Film at 11.

I believe that your perception of the differences in the news programming is accurate, but keep in mind that plenty of Americans choose not to watch the news because they see how ridiculous it is.

Hmm...I would disagree with the notion that the US news is a reflection of my life in any way.

Want to know why this is? The US power structure wants war, and the Russians do not. The US is trying to place as much social stress on its people as possible in order to manufacture consent to new wars. Thanks to the constant propaganda barrage targeting every social pressure point, Americans feel like their society is falling apart. Americans will eventually be asked to release their frustrations on a foreign power that is undoubtedly to blame for all this.

Similar in the UK, all doom, gloom and fearmongering

Education is free until the age of 18, much like the US. If you choose to study after that age at university it can be anything up to £9000 per year. Post Brexit vote UK is a shithole thanks to the Tory party and Murdoch's media empire

In the UK college or sixth form is optionally attended from the ages of 16 to 18 and is free. University is optionally attended from the age of 18 and is not free

Yeah, anyone that takes the news at face value without any critical thought is stupid.

I definitely agree, I'd rather have positive propaganda news than constant negative fearmongering.

Original Poster, you're missing one basic point: The Russian people control their own media. The American media is NOT controlled by the American people. It's controlled by foreign interests, who have an agenda to divide them along racial and gender lines.

You're assuming that "You're not seeing unity among Americans". The reality is: Americans are incredibly peaceful and law-abiding. Blacks and whites get along together. In fact, when France was trying to promote multiculturalism, they used videos of harmonious classrooms . . . that turned out to be from California.

So America is a model of peaceful integration. We've had centuries to get it right, whereas Western Europe's had about ten minutes.

So the average black gets along quite well with the whites surrounding him. Likewise, the average white gets along quite well with the blacks, Asians, Mexicans, etc.

What you're watching in the media is an alternate reality that doesn't reflect what's actually going on in the streets.

It's why George Soros and crew have to PAY protesters and create synthetic riots. If they weren't ponying up money, no one would come to these things.

Look at how when the Department of Justice froze George Soros' accounts, all the ANTIFA and Black Lives Matter stuff stopped cold.

So none of these things are real.

The media is fake. As are the paid-for riots.

Remove them and you realize how incredibly peaceful and harmonious America is.

It's unified in a way that Europe never was. Look at how America unified its culture in the fact that you can drive from Maine to California and encounter English all the way. In Europe, you can't drive five miles without having to switch into another language.

There's a level of cultural cohesion in America that's the envy of the world.

But the Powers That Be want that changed. Hence all the race-baiting from the top. The endless Orwellian TV coverage to divide us and pit us against each other.

Original Poster, you're missing one basic point: The Russian people control their own media. The American media is NOT controlled by the American people. It's controlled by foreign interests, who have an agenda to divide them along racial and gender lines.

Russian media is controlled by their government, not their people.

Russian government is made up of Russians. Hence, yes: The Russian people run the Russian media.

It's not being run by oligarchs whose ethnicity is different than the population.

Russian government is made up of Russians. Hence, yes: The Russian people run the Russian media.

It's not being run by oligarchs whose ethnicity is different than the population.

Its run by a Russian and other elites, not by the Russian people. The ethnicity doesn't matter, the people don't run their media. The people in Russia are screwed over by their media which is largely state run propaganda.

Russia government is the Russian people.

If they're any other ethnicity, you let me know.

Sounds like you've been falling for their propaganda, believe it or not ethnicity isn't the only thing that separates people.

Yeah, I've really fallen for the "crazy propaganda" that ethnic Russians in Russia are . . . Russian.

(Weird, right?)

Nope, you've fallen for the propaganda that having a Russian running your country means that the people are running it. You're so caught up on ethnicity because of the propaganda that you fail to see this.

So the ethnic Russians running the Russian government aren't . . . people?

Are they aliens?

Lizard beings?

Inter-dimensional ant-like hybrids?

(You seem to be missing my point. My point is not reliant on your democratic idea of "the people". I'm talking about something less hazy, idealistic, and utopian. I'm not using "people" in a political sense, but in a literal sense. I don't give a rap about China's media. I think it sucks. But I don't deny that the Chinese are running China's media. Same thing with Russia. Whatever else I may think about their media, I don't deny that ethnic Russians are running it. When you have people who identify with the nation running the media, you don't get a press that attacks the nation, President or culture. Chinese media doesn't attack the Chinese President. Russian media does not attack Russian culture. . . . But contrast, "American" media does nothing BUT attack the nation's culture, President, people, etc. Their highest good is wholesale demographic replacement. They express nothing BUT contempt for the people in the nation. Only the foreigner is held out to be good--and held up as a contrast to the "lazy, stupid American". This shit only happens when your media is NOT being run by your people.)

They don't attack it because they can't lol just keep eating it up, not sure what all that extra bs you wrote is all about.

FEAR sells, POSITIVITY doesnt. All about that $$

thats what its all about, niche marketing via fear.

as Michael Moore stated in his NRA animated short,

Cash rules everything around me

-American

I'm not sure we need positivity. I think we just need someone to tell the goddamn truth.

If you look at CNN or MSNBC and contrast their "news" with actual government hearings you can tell it's a joke. It's like listening to a paranoid schizophrenic.

I disagree that this is the #1 problem.

people are much more mellow, kind, calmer outside of US.

I'm not sure there is anything to back up this statement.

Gun ownership is not at all indicative of aggression. You’re going to have to show some data if you think that’s the case. Same deal with prescription drug use.

I guess I’m not sure how any of the things you cited have anything to do with hate and aggression (mass shootings I get, and the conflict thing I get too but our politics don’t always reflect our people).

Most of what you posted is nonsense.

Republicans have always ruled through fear and crisis.

Russian News: Putin says Russia is the greatest country in the world.

West news: Journalists with FREE SPEECH give the public what they want (wich is mostly fear porn)

And real porn

The fuck is unity? Is that like the new Uber or something?

Apparently in America if you’re proud to be an American that makes you a Nazi.

The problem is competition for viewers. People. Are attracted to stories about sex and violence. So we only have ourselves to.blame.

divide and conquer works. the people in power in the US want to keep the infighting as high as possible because it makes it easier to get away with what they are doing.

they want us to focus on race issues, instead of the continued decline in wages, offshoring of productivity etc.

if we focused on that stuff they would be going to jail and losing thier fortunes. so instead they pit poor whites, against poor blacks and turn the evening news in to a tabloid.

Yeah Russian sounds pretty good about now. I actually really enjoy Putin's real speeches and from what my family there tells me, the economy is on the up and they can find jobs again.

So you're saying Russian news is only positive propaganda..?

What has happened in the last fifty years is a great tragedy and a great crime. History will conclude this. Our leaders have intentionally kept the population divided. The political agendas being pushed today intentionally aim at creating destructive friction .

There was an opportunity in the 20th c. for humanity as a whole to make MUCH GREATER progress than it did, because it was intentionally held back. Think, for example, of every leader killed in the sixties. Literally every decent leader anywhere that came up from the grassroots and represented new energy was taken out. The evil karma of that kind of manipulation is mind-boggling. The reckoning that is coming is going to be mind-boggling as well...

For me, as a Canadian, most of my experience of US news comes from my aperiodic trips to Mexico, where the hotel always has CNN and FOX News.

It's shocking for me to see the state of US news media, and how much of it appears to be paid for by pharmaceutical companies pushing dangerous sounding drugs in 2 minute long commercials, over half of which is devoted to listing off side-effects in an auctioneer-like manner.

State propaganda is not unity.

The average Russian has a much better grip on reality compared to the average US citizen. Not even in the same league.

I bet you don't get prescription drug ads on Russian news, either.

I think this is such an important post. This is EXACTLY why I no longer pay attention to 99% of mainstream news in the US. Sadly, most of my American brethren have no idea that in January '16, just before Obama left office, he repealed the ban on Propaganda in the media, along with making much of the Alternative Media 'illegal'.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/07/14/u-s-repeals-propaganda-ban-spreads-government-made-news-to-americans/

This is why the news is the way it is. It is designed to instill fear and divide us. If we are divided, and pointing the fingers at each other, we won't ever be able to go after the real enemy.

Demographics have to be "fixed" first.

This seems like the shill post of all shill posts to me lol..

Life expectancy sucks for investigative journalists in Russia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#2017

Now try watching russians vs americans on periscope. Usually the American is fat, "bored af" and lighting up. The russian is fit, attractive, dressed nicely, laughing and enjoying life

Thanks for sharing your insight. As a Canuck I can tell you the national broadcasting corporation (CBC) is in a all out war of guilt to the majority of the population. It’s not all that rosy up here, trust me.

American MSM is owned by the two political parties. They both favor identity politics, which is why MSM is always so divisive. Black Lives matter did this, cops did that, evangelicals did this, trump did that, Hillary did this, gays did that, pro life did this, etc etc etc. It's a form of class warfare.

It's all distraction from what should be important, economic justice, which both conservatives and neoliberals (and their Corporate Lobbyists and Oligarchs they represent) hate.

When my country Albania was in Comunnism happy news was all over when in reality was a misery.. does it even matter what the news says? People should learn how to differ things.

Yeah neither of them said they wanted war with Russia. We're you going to read up on Russia's rigged election process and get back to me then?

liberal idiots believe in the media

Bernie Sanders has massive multiple mile long rallies in sleet & snow across the United States & can't get arrested on television broadcasting them. Suddenly the corporate media starts giving 247 unprecedented media access to candidate Trump who plagiarizes Sanders speech verbatim & throws in some shit about the wall.

When Sanders gets cheated at the DNC convention (which gets zero mass media coverage) the media turns on Trump.

Idiots aint on just the 'liberal' side.

ummm a LOT of people buy into the bullshit. You literally had the mainstream news, Hollywood, (some) Wall Street and Silicon Valley working to get Hillary Elected.

Imagine unironically saying to yourself, "you know, government corruption and assassination of civilians is okay, as long as they're people I dislike"

Please go back to whatever neo-fascist state you come from and stop wasting our precious oxygen.

Russian news is reflection of the state keeping people from taking out the oligarchy.

news is a reflection of life

Brainwashed!

Russian news doesn't just not completely focus on crime, sex, scandals, war, etc; it avoids it altogether. The purpose of Russian media is to make people feel as though Putin is doing as good of a job as possible, and the fact that people on a conspiracy subreddit are upvoting a post in favor of government controlled media is mind-boggling.

I Wikipedia'd suicide rates by country

To play the devil's advocate

Other devil's advocates usually have a "productive" point. But you are just being autistic here.

Possibly because Canada is only 1/10 the population of the US, so less people to cause scandals and such.

Of course his argument falls apart in the Canadian context because it was largely specific to Russia and Putin lol..

Our media outlets aren't all controlled by Justin Trudeau like it is on Russia. That whole intimate connection of media interests and a tight fisted authoritarian leader who kills journalists and political opponents was the whole point of their post..

The unity and image presented in Russia is problematic due to it being controlled by their leader who acts that way...

Not as much as Russian media. Their election is nothing but a joke because people fear Putin. Our media openly mocks Trump because nobody truly fears the clown.

Can the negativity and tension being pushed by Western media also be propaganda of a non-nationalistic sort?

Uh, thanks?

I'm going to downvote your comment because it doesn't add anything to the conversation and you didn't even bother responding with content. Or an opinion.

Agreed!

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