What about my business that needs the internet and online campaigning to survive so I can eat and continue living?

How is the majority of the Internet population gonna find out about it?

Search engine optimization

So you're telling him to go bankrupt

You have a point, it is easier to sell products to mindless consuming drones on FB if that's your target.

If I had a dollar for every person who says they have a business that they need Facebook for - who also wastes enormous amounts of time on it unrelated to said business - I wouldn’t need a business of my own 😂

From every business person I talk to, and my own experience, Facebook is the #1 advertising platform for reaching people. It's like love-hate relationship for me. I'm there because that is where the people are. I have to be.

Business person here. I don't use Facebook. Now you know of one. Our company is doing great, we have more business than we can take. You don't need Facebook for anything. They just want you to think that.

Oh what, so I guess you don't drive a car either! /s

You didn't even ask the person you're replying to what business he's inand since not every business is same your answer is pretty ignorant.

It doesn't matter. The point is you don't need it. My business is in the service industry. We could benifit from social media but choose not to. As a business owner you have the choice to support Facebook and their shady tactics or not. I replied because they claim to know no businesses that don't use Facebook. I am pointing out that there are many successful companies that will not support FB. You are obviously a hater and I am sorry that you cannot see outside yourself.

I think the issue isn't whether or not people need it or if it helps. The issue is the overreliance we have to it. They control the entire outlet. You don't have an option to take your social media marketing elsewhere.

Being in the sub we're in, I'm surprised people don't see the problem with this. It's a slippery slope. Once they have people's livelihoods relying on their platform, they can do whatever they want.

As a business owner, if one company was responsible for 80%+ of my business, I would be very worried.

Probably depends on the business. My stores are retail.

I use Facebook for pretty much everything relating to my business, I own a tattoo shop and that's how I get the word out. If I didn't have it most people wouldn't even know my shop was here.

That's great for you. I'm just saying, if you don't want to use FB there are other resources. Some people don't want to contribute to the unsettling aspects of FB.

Just under 65% of my business comes to me online. Of that 65%, about half is from FB.

It is a massive platform for business networking. It is also a massive promotional platform for my clients.

What do you sell?

Myself.

Do you mind me asking what service you provide for people?

Not at all. I'm a music producer/engineer.

Ah okay. Yeah I can see the dependence on social media for that kind of work, can't imagine how difficult it would be without it.

I'm doing it since the mid 90s so i remember a time before social networks.

Back then everything we got was word of mouth (usually through album credits or happy clients).

So for me, social media is just the modern version of 'word of mouth' really.

Wish I would have stuck with studio work. Didn't have the patience to pay dues in Nashville back in the day.

Yeah, its not easy work when you're starting out as a kid.

Cleaning a toilet while everyone else is rocking in the control room was always tough.

So true...I was also fully convinced my band was going to "make it", we were on a small label at the time. I quickly became jaded after nothing worked out.

I had some really great contacts in town,(I worked at a golf club where most the members were industry folks) my distaste for country also was a factor, Nashville in the 90s was a different scene than today.

I was also fully convinced my band was going to "make it", we were on a small label at the time. I quickly became jaded after nothing worked out.

That's basically how i got behind the glass. Small band, indie label, distro went tits up and left us out of pocket for thousands of physical copies.

I'd love a stab at the US. For the stuff i do (mostly indie pop/rock or [modern]vintage genres like soul/funk), the UK aesthetic sells. Unfortunately uprooting thousands of miles is not an option.

In my industry FB engagement is my primary revenue driving force. I would literally be unable to function as I am currently without it. It's a difficult situation because I truly don't want to be on there personally.

Did your industry no exist before Facebook? Doesn't the fact that the fate of your livelyhood relies on using Facebook?

Did your industry not exist before cars? What makes you think you need a car when a horse and buggy worked just fine for hundreds of years?

This line of reasoning is really dumb.

great rehotoric here, but your reasoning is actually incredibly stupid.

I wouldn't expect much more from someone who sits on FB all day.

Go ahead and hand your business over to a company you have no control over. When they decide they don't like your business and cut you off or hid your posts then what are you going to do? I wish my competition was stupid enough to only do business on Facebook.

Using an online advertising platform isn't 'handing over your business' lol.

Ok.. you're right. Stay on Facebook. Sounds like you fit right in.

I hope one day FB offers a service to all of its users where they can unplug from reality and hook themselves up matrix style to the FB world. Then the only people left walking around are people like me who don't want to put their entire life/reality on a platform owned and controlled by a toxic corporation. Gotta blindly accept all new technology fearing that you'll be left behind if you don't!

But what happens when your horse dies? That's why I personally prefer to ride pigs.

Does one corporation own all of the horses? I wouldn't have my business rely on one company for anything. It's called risk management.

what happens when you cant domesticate the wild horse? thats why i walk everywhere

Yes, to answer your first question. People walked where they needed to go before cars were invented & once that option became available people used it to their advantage. As we now utilize certain aspects of Facebook.

Except you own and control your car. It would be like getting in someone else's care everyday and hoping they like you enough to take you where you want to go. If they decide they don't want to pick you up that day, then what?

Just because there is a new technology that seems to make your life easier doesn't mean you should blindly bend over and allow it to control your life/business

So with the car analogy, how would you feel as the car owner if you drive people everywhere for free but they get business and income but dont pay you a single dime.

What do you expect? They wouldn't hide your post if you pay for adverts. I think its fair.

They wouldn't hide your post if you pay for adverts.

Depends on if what you sell aligns with their vision. They control their terms and can change them at any time. I doubt they allow just anyone to advertise on their platform.

It's a advertising marketplace that is controlled by one corporation. You don't see the danger in that.

Depends on if what you sell aligns with their vision

Well of course, thats standard practice. Same with every other kind of media like newspaper, radio , tv etc.

Right and if NYT won't take your ads then maybe the post will.

You understand we're comparing apples to oranges right now. If you said that you need to use the NYT for the survival of your business, then we would be comparing the right fruit.

If you compared internet markiting to the other mediums than we would also be on the same page, but we're not. We're talking about business that NEED Facebook to survive. If you need one company for all of your business, than do you really own an independent business or do you basically just work for the company that your business is beholden to.

I "control" the page & content that drives my traffic. Sure, Facebook could shut me down but the USDOT could shut down the Interstate.

The USDOT is not a company. It's a government agency.

I would be upset, but considering the government is supposed to be owned by the people, we could in theory do something about it.

If your a business person you should clearly understand the differences between the public and private sector. Try a better example that actually compares apples to apples.

I have no desire or obligation to continue this circular conversation for your entertainment. I am by no means "dependent" on Facebook as I have success externally & if ever I needed, could operate entirely without it-but that's not the case. It is available, it is lucrative & it is a part of my process.

Are you kidding?!

In my industry FB engagement is my primary revenue driving force. I would literally be unable to function as I am currently without it.

I am by no means "dependent" on Facebook as I have success externally & if ever I needed, could operate entirely without it-but that's not the case.

You and your industry seem to rely pretty heavily on it. I'm surprised you run a business and don't see the risk there, but right I'm just here for my entertainment. I can't wait until 99% of the entire economy is ran off 3 companies.

Honestly I forget that not everyone in business is pro free-markets. Sorry for assuming if that's the case. (No sarcasm)

If I had a dollar for every person who says they have a business that they need Facebook for

Sounds fairly lucrative - have you considered making a Facebook page 🤔

That's where I am stuck too.

Change careers

These users have no idea what it is like to run a business. c:

10 years ago you had to be creative to own a business. Now people like you think it's as easy as making a FB page, which it is until you realize that you don't own or control your business. FB does.

Write a business plan before you run your mouth.

Ok. In my marketing plan I'll make sure all of my business is drawn from one source so that if anything happens to that source I can fail miserably.

Then I'll pitch it to investors and see how much capital I get.

So far so good?

You have literally written a business plan for a business you truly want, for something you truly want to see grow, your just a money hungry cunt running his mouth.

Oh I haven't? You picked that up from reading my Reddit posts? haha

You seem really upset with the fact I can be successful without relying on Facebook marketing. Take your childish insults back to FB with the other brainless monkeys.

Nice edit btw. Learn that one from Facebook?

You're literally saying that if you don't opporate your entire business on Facebook that you haven't written a "proper" business plan?

Someone knows how to think outside of the box.

Nice edit btw. Learn that one from Facebook?

You're literally saying that if you don't opporate your entire business on Facebook that you haven't written a "proper" business plan?

Someone knows how to think outside of the box.

Instagram is still owned by Facebook but it's a lot better somehow.

Hire someone to do it for you. I don't think FB is as necessary for most business as people think. It's an easy excuse to get on it 30 times per day when you could be doing something different and interesting to market your business instead.

Once you start saying you "need it" is when you've gone too far. No one needs it. It's toxic and addicting.

Sorry for the rant.. now I really need a cigarette

Hire someone to do it for you. I don't think FB is as necessary for most business as people think. It's an easy excuse to get on it 30 times per day when you could be doing something different and interesting to market your business instead.

Once you start saying you "need it" is when you've gone too far. No one needs it. It's toxic and addicting.

Sorry for the rant.. now I really need a cigarette

IIT: people who don't know shit about marketing, communications, or business.

Speak for yourself. you think the only way to run a business or market your company is on Facebook. Ignorant as fuck my friend.

Sure. Why don't you run your business with a typewriter and send all your ads via telegram?

Or I'll just sit on FB all day and pay to advertise to idiots and bots. It's a lot easier than doing actual work and you can make all your friends think your successful.

There is nothing wrong with using technology, but your relying on something you have no control over. I could care less. I'm fine with people failing by their own design.

Do you even have a job?

Yes. I own two business haha

How much of your revenue comes from online advertising?

About half. But we're not talking about the internet, we're talking about Facebook. The internet is a medium with options to create a free market for advertising. Facebook is a company who has the ability to change their terms at anytime.

I'm not knocking using Facebook as a fraction of your marketing plan so long as your business can survive without it.

If your business needs Facebook to opporate than you have a risky business model. There are people on this thread literally saying that they need Facebook to opporate their business. It should be hard to see the risk associated with that. You're beholden to one company, not an ecosystem of mediums like print, online etc.

but your relying on something you have no control over.

As oppose to what? Newspaper? Radio? TV? Please name one way to advertise your business with your complete control

Who said anything about complete control?

Do you not see the difference between the mediums you mentioned and Facebook. One has a 'tm' after their name.

Business people who don't see the issue with a monopoly. This thread is hilarious.

Business people who don't see the issue with a monopoly

Are you serious? When did this happen? What about craigslist, ebay, linkedin, tumblr, yahoo etc?

Well at least we still have reddit right?

Right but we're talking about people who "need" Facebook. We're not talking about the internet in general.

You keep changing the subject

Ok so what are you gonna do next? Ask everyone to delete their accounts on all the "evil monopoly" websites like the ones I mentioned above? They have similar policies as facebook too! They also have the ^TMs!

Nice try, guy from Myspace marketting team!

Haha that's funny. But no, I could care less about others business success. They can do whatever they like.

If I'm mentoring/consulting a business owner or have a stake in the company, I would ask them to rely on FB for no more than 20% of their revenue. Elsewise it's not a sustainable operation in my eyes and I wouldn't risk my time or capital.

Cancel your internet. Nothing was wrong before we had internet and it certainly didn't get better.

Turn in your car. Nothing was wrong before we had horseless carriages, and it certainly didn't get better.

That’s such an ignorant statement. The internet created millions of jobs, it gave people the possibility to assess knowledge, it made so many incredible things possible.

It’s not perfect and it sure led to bad things but to downplay it like you did is just wrong.

The internet created millions of jobs, it gave people the possibility to assess knowledge, it made so many incredible things possible.

Yeah, but let's be real for a second; it also made us incredibly dependent on it, and thus it has made us vulnerable. Imagine reverting everything back to what we had before. Not gonna happen fast.

I'm not saying that I'm not enjoying the flashy world of the 21'st century, brought to me live on a plastic LCD. But will it be worth it in the end?

I doubt it.

I have to disagree. The world without the internet would be in the same horrible state it is now. Humans suck. That’s the reason why everything is so fucked up. Technology is just a Tool and in this case the pros definitely outweigh the cons.

Tool and in this case the pros definitely outweigh the cons.

Yes, as long as you have electricity...

Yes but I don’t get why you mention that to be honest 😄

That's because you've gotten used to have unlimited juice in your power socket. Imagine if you didn't. Or try.

Modern society's benefits are endless, as long as you have oil and electricity. Remove the first, you lose the latter. Without the latter, we are fucked.

There's no plan B. That is my only ''gripe'' with the internet.

No I get that and I’m aware of that. But why should there be no electricity suddenly? The only option I can think of is a big war but I doubt that this will happen (at least at the moment)

Unknown unknowns, man. You never know.

My point is literally; even though the internet is a blessing and the best we've made in terms of communications and everything, it's not 'invincible' and only takes one variable to render it completely useless.

Yes that’s true. If something would happen we would be right back to the Stone Age. Probably nothing would work anymore. Scary thought

Probably nothing would work anymore. Scary thought

Bingo.

But that should not limit us as a human race. We are extremely good at overcoming seemingly impossible situations. And the groundwork for an oil free future is already being set with company’s like Tesla

And the groundwork for an oil free future is already being set with company’s like Tesla

So, what, because we have one company developing electric cars we're all of a sudden saved?

Name me one industry that doesn't use oil in one way or another. Do you know how we get said oil here? Oil tankers and trucks, just to mention a few. A pipeline can only go 'so far' (just see what happened when someone wanted to build a pipeline through syria, jeez...). What do these two ways of transport have in common? They consume what they transport. And not just consume, but you need it in almost all aspects of maintenance.

Not really a reliable method, right? It's a snake consuming it's own body for sustenance. Which is not sustainable.

Sorry to pop your bubble, but as nice as Mr Musk and his cars are, they're not the solution to our problem.

We had peak oil like, what, ten years ago? It's only gonna get more tense as we can see the end of the supply.

We're talking resource wars, displaced populations and worldwide hunger from lack of supply.

Do you know how long your standard supermarkets supply can last, without refill? 3 days. So when the trucks stop, because the tankers stopped; you'll have 3 days before everything is gone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859 some threats are beyond our control still.

I thought the fact that I was posting it on the internet would make the sarcasm obvious. My bad.

LOL i thought about pointing it out. But I thought you weren’t joking

I shouldn't be so stingy with winky faces ;-)

*Narcissistbook

So true. All it is, is Look where I’m at or look what I️ just bought.. lol 😂

It's what they want you to see. Not reality.

Well duh. Why would I want to post my bloody diarrhea for all my friends to see.

Really hoping you're British and using "bloody" for emphasis only.

my wife posted a video of my dirty rental, trust me, it is reality

your wife is a gem then. :)

thank you I am blessed, she's beautiful to me and she is not perfect but neither am I. We share it all the good with the bad, I've dumped one 20 yard container of stuff so far and it looks like one more will be filled when I get through tearing out the kitchen and bathroom. Would you have any idea why someone might downvote my comment? Seems strange, not that I really care, opinions are fine, I just don't get it?

No idea, I upvoted it, maybe because you're saying facebook is reality?

Everyone becomes their own mini celebrity and "performs themselves".

It tricks people into thinking that communication is performative, when in reality it is relational . Just like Zadie Smith said.

*Livejournalbook

Fakemylifeisfullofadventurelookatmepartyingandtravelingtheworldyourlifesucksclickthelikebutton...book.

I wish I could up vote that a billion times

Oh yes because no one uses facebook to communicate with people, follow people of interest or have their own company or artist page

Cold calling isnt dead

If someone tells you cold calling is dead, they're selling a facebook marketing program.

Cold calling separates the boys from the men

Delete Facebook. Get a Laywer. Join a gym.

instructions unclear got a gym and joined a lawyer

We're lawyers!

Lots of lawyers are parasites tho e.g. tax lawyers, commercial lawyers

The gyms all have Facebook pages

Why get a lawyer? For what?

It's a old reddit inside joke.

https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/5i5lpq/what_is_with_hit_the_gym_lawyer_up_delete_facebook/

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Damn I’m an idiot. Thanks

Nah, I am in a variety of Facebook groups and I learn something new on Facebook each day. I may at some point use an app to "clean" my account so it is empty.

Don't know why this is downvoted? If the website works for someone and they enjoy it why get rid of it.

There's no app that can clear your data from Facebook's servers. You can block it from the public but they'll keep monetizing your identity.

Deleted mine 3 years ago and never looked back!

Stopped using in 2013.

Same... it was like quitting smoking. One of the best decisions I ever made. Don't miss either a bit.

I still smoke. :( help me

I started vaping and completely quit cigarettes.

Traded one vice for another, but it's cheaper and (a little) healthier.

+1. Vaping works.

Try the patch. It's great.

I don't want patch or the pill. Might do the mush thing though.

Sleeping with the patch on gives you super vivid crazy dreams. Highly recommended.

Cold turkey after several attempts. I finally had enough and pushed through. The first 2-3 weeks were the worst. You need to keep in mind that you don't need nicotine in order to survive. You need air, water, food and shelter, not nicotine. Good luck to you!

Thanks man

microdose magic mushrooms. 1/5 gram for four days, and then every few days as needed. After a week you probably won't need them or nicotine again.

Hmmmmm

my thoughts exactly..

I loaded up my box and hit the bat every time I wanted a cigarette. 20 yrs later and my memory is so bad now that I almost forgot I ever smoked cigarettes.

I've heard it's legal to buy the spores, but not legal to grow them. Hmmm.

don't accidentally inject them into some medium in a sterile environment..whatever you do.

Seriously, I know nothing about them. Do shrooms show up on drug tests? Do they even test for that? I have heard about the benefits of micro-dosing but not so much on the legality of it. Do any states allow it for medicinal like MMJ?

California is looking to legalize mushrooms, lsd, and mdma for therapeutic use.

As far as drug tests from my knowledge no they don't test for it. They can but it leaves your system in 2-3 days and they would need to be specifically looking for psilocybin.

many lc-ms analyzers can detect 00's of compounds from a list. you never know if they have it on.. still, the amount is low and it metabolizes fast sure.

LOL

Head over to r/vaping it's a chill little community. Very helpful. The vape market is large and can be intimidating but the people over there love to help people get off the smokes. Good luck.

Wellbutrin helped me.

Same. Best decision of my life

Haven't used fb in almost 5 years.

I lost my password back in 2013 and tried to recover it. After being unable to I said ill just make a new one someday. 4 years later and I'm glad I havnt. People talk about how people just spew negativity constantly, violent videos are shared daily etc. I used to think I was "off the grid" but the older I get the less I care.

Still might be a good idea to get in and delete it in case people try to tag you with things you don't approve of.

Exactly then they had Facebook live with a lot of live suicides , no thanks not my idea of entertainment

Wait that is my kind of entertainment though..

That’s why you’re the ideal person for Facebook

You gave me zero reason or facts to go along with your "Strike on FB" You think FB is bad but you still wanna use cellphones and emails.. As if they cant get your stuff in that just like FB? Meh

Here's what one of the creators of Facebook has to say about it:

"I don't know if I really understood the consequences of what I was saying, because [of] the unintended consequences of a network when it grows to a billion or 2 billion people and ... it literally changes your relationship with society, with each other ... It probably interferes with productivity in weird ways. God only knows what it's doing to our children's brains."

"The thought process that went into building these applications, Facebook being the first of them, ... was all about: 'How do we consume as much of your time and conscious attention as possible?'"

"And that means that we need to sort of give you a little dopamine hit every once in a while, because someone liked or commented on a photo or a post or whatever. And that's going to get you to contribute more content, and that's going to get you ... more likes and comments."

"It's a social-validation feedback loop ... exactly the kind of thing that a hacker like myself would come up with, because you're exploiting a vulnerability in human psychology."

"The inventors, creators — it's me, it's Mark [Zuckerberg], it's Kevin Systrom on Instagram, it's all of these people — understood this consciously. And we did it anyway."

https://www.axios.com/axios-am-2508003126.html

Even he agrees it's insidious.

Never had nor never will have Facebook account. But I understood from early on that Facebook was just a giant spying scam. This was well before Facebook addiction was a 'thing'. Some how I've survived.

It was strictly for college students when I first joined. MySpace was bigger at the time. Thank God I disengaged many many years ago.

They're blocking the mobile site ATM. If I have to use the app to browse, Imma be really pissed. All the local small businesses are on facebook. The farmer's market. Community events.

Huh. I was wondering why FB wasn't loading for the last couple of days. Been trying to minimize use of FB in my life anyway so "page not found" is actually fine by me at this point.

I thought it was just me. .weird

Wait, can you ask friends that use mobile if that's the case for them? I'm wondering if this is some bug, intentional move to get people to install the app, or we all were targeted by facebook as "fake news" sharers?

Just checked with my son. He accessed FB news feed just fine on his mobile. Both of us are using chrome so, I don't really know what the deal is. I should add that I can access most of my FB stuff. Just not news feed.

Also, just logged in on my phones "browser". Works just fine. Must be a chrome thing.

Interesting, same. Maybe chrome is blocking it for privacy reasons?

I have chrome and mine has been working fine on mobile, no problems there

Why not warn as many people as possible before they ban you?

People still use facebook?!?

Great point.

Has all this technology really made our lives better?

Like really....if we really reflect on the 90s vs. Now.

much worse in fact... in the cases of most people I know, at least

Yes...I think people are more miserable than ever.

Myspace/Facebook ruined the internet it was a beautiful place prior to 2002

I remember how top 8 on MySpace ruined lives. Seriously!

It was also the first time stupid people had any reason to use the internet for anything other than email and instant messaging. Prior to social media the only people who really used the internet and not something like AOL were primarily truth seekers, libertarians, gamers, and programmers.

After Myspace/Facebook everyone and their mother was on the internet, literally. Thus the need to begin mass censorship.

Makes sense. Like your analysis!

Thank you, as a child who literally grew up on the internet it shocks me people don't talk about this drastic shift in internet culture more often. I thought Digg at first and then Reddit was a refuge from the "normies" who invaded the internet but they came here too and the censorship quickly followed.

Yes! What is everybody doing?! How are they too busy to think and talk? I'm seriously asking this (sorry if dramatic).

When I was like 7 I made a beanie baby newsletter and had many followers!

Also got exposed to pedophiles.

Thats aweosme! I got into coding because I posted on gameshark forums about videogames and people were posting cool stuff with HTML so I wanted to do it too, once I knew a little HTML I started making websites about whatever videogames I was interested in and started learning about web design, graphic design, and how the internet and computers worked in general and it changed my entire life.

I feel like the way the internet has changed that sort of introduction into a technical education is lost for younger generations. You wont learn stuff like that from looking at facebook, instragram, snapchat, etc.

What makes me sad is the world is literally at our fingertips. What do people choose to do with unlimited knowledge?

Watch cat videos

It's sad but many people simply do not care about anything except their own bubbles of happiness and ignorance.

I have one sibling that sees the world like me and two siblings that don't want to know what is going on in the world as long as it doesn't directly effect their little bubble of happiness. I had a discussion with them about this and they are self admittedly too selfish to care about humanity as whole as long as everything in their life is fine they are happy.

I love them but hearing that made me understand why the world is the way it is. They are decent people but they just can't be bothered or don't see a point in trying to make the world a better place or maybe they just don't think its possible.

But either way they think there is something wrong with me and my other sibling for being as obsessed about geopolitical events as we are.

Wow very similar! My siblings are just too caught up in their own lives...

People just think they ARE everything

Digg really shat the bed. I remember when the last round of false flag chemical attacks happened in Syria. The articles and editorials felt like I was watching warmongering fox news circa '03. Haven't been back since

I've been saying for a long time now - take away Facebook and most retards in the country have no use for the internet anymore.

Facebook is the very successful reincarnation of AOL. AOL was designed to do the same thing - get normies online.

The Unabomber was definitely on to something.

People write him off as a lunatic but in reality he was like an Einstein level genius; if you actually read his manifesto there's some scary shit and predictions about technology and the future and it's effect on humanity.

Only in that people like you and I are able to connect and spread information far and wide like never before extremely quickly.

But I'm not sure it's worth it.

Me neither : (

With the algorithm they can control who sees it.

BC I'm not very active on there they only show my posts to a few people max. So for me FB is worthless.

It made me less happy. I would see friends posting dinner pics and vacation pics and thought, 'god, they never invite us.'

I deleted the app from my phone last year. I didn't delete the account because too many things are tied to it now...but I feel much happier and more present and engaged.

...except when I'm reading reddit, lmao.

Don't have FB, and never have. Didn't like the drama it would create with family, and of course the privacy issue.

cool conspiracy bro

Deleted mine 2 weeks ago and it's awesome. I never really used it but I just wanted it gone.. something about people being able to access me, my photos, friends etc while I'm not actually interacting with them is just full blown creepy to me now that I'm older.

Like if you wan see me or talk to me, call me bro lol.

I didn’t delete, but haven’t logged on in over a year. Better than delete is to remove everything except a basic profile, basically consider it a resume, employers often check them and Facebook already has more info than that if you used it.

Just leave a professional looking photo of yourself and some basic details about your skills or interests, the stuff that you would write on a resume not deeply personal, and forget it.

They don't give you an option to privatize everything unfortunately. So I just deactivated.

Oh I meant delete anything private and leave it like a resume or yearbook entry

oh yeah nothing bad could come from a yearbook entry!

They already know that stuff, what’s the point.

I'd advise against this since if it is not deemed active enough, snoopers may deem it as not being "social" enough.

Well there are all sorts of recommendations for ditching Facebook. One of the main ones recommends friending every corporate rep and company and such.

sure. but one can stay to read news from people who only use facebook. like Pepe Escobar.

HARIRI DOES PARIS - THE TRUE STORY It’s not that Saad Hariri was itching for a shopping spree at Avenue Montaigne. French MSM is spicing up the steak tartare to oblivion trying to spin a foreign policy “victory”. Nonsense. The true story starts in Abu Dhabi when Sun King Macron was having dinner with all-powerful Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed (MBZ) during the inauguration of the Louvre in the Sands (doesn’t it sound like a casino?) What happened is that MBZ grabbed his mobile and secured a meeting between Macron and MBS for the day after. Easy; after all MBZ is MBS’s mentor – and de facto chief strategist. Macron’s people had been trying FOR WEEKS to get a meeting with MBS. Zayed did it with one single phone call. Afterwards, MBS threw a breadcrumb to the begging Macron; OK, you can meet Hariri and even take him away. But under certain conditions; French Minister Le Drian had to publicly scold Iran – which he did; and on top of it Le Drian cancelled his trip to Tehran next week to prepare the terrain for Macron’s own visit. Talk about “French power”. Additionally, Hariri WAS indeed kidnapped and under house arrest in Riyadh – as many of us reported. He even begged for asylum in Amman, Jordan. Denied – because the Jordanians are essentially Saudi vassals. The New York Times BURIED the info at the end of this piece: https://www.nytimes.com/…/middleeast/hariri-france-saudi-le… “Mr. Hariri reached out to Jordan with a request to go to Amman as a safe haven, a Western official said. The request was denied, the official said, because the Saudis had pressured Jordan not to accept him. A spokeswoman at the Embassy of Jordan in Washington denied that such a request had been made.” Who the hell wants exile in the land of King Playstation? Hariri at least is drinking good Margaux. And the MBS Lebanon power play is an absolute, resounding fiasco.

Idk why you fucking geezers are so attached it's fucking terrible to use.

I'm curious, are you younger? And are young people generally less into Facebook? I'm 29, and facebook exploded right as I was first going to college, so it's something pretty much all of my same-age friends are on. Personally, I left 6 months ago and never looked back. But I wonder if it's something younger people aren't really as into.

I'm 18, and people my age are basically the last people to have Facebook at all. Anyone younger than me uses Snapchat and Instagram. I have a Facebook but I literally never use it other than a couple people I talk to occasionally on messenger.

Yeah that sounds about right. When I was 18, Facebook was exclusive to college students and it was revolutionary. Everyone organized their house parties through it. The Social Network movie was spot on in capturing the spirit of those times.

I'm 18, and people my age are basically the last people to have Facebook at all.

Maybe in your click. But that's not true at all outside of it

It's pretty much the same with most people my age in the US afaik.

Maybe... I doubt it. But there's still aaaaaall the other countries

Yeah other countries are a bit behind the curve in that regard.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/376128/facebook-global-user-age-distribution/

18 to 24 yo make up the majority of us Facebook users... There you go

Don't forget that I'm talking about the demographic of 18 and below. 18-24 year olds are definitely still into it.

Ps: My taxes paid for that, you should thank me you ungrateful little shit.

XD

Deleted mine years ago and try to convince my family to do the same...but they are already too far gone.

I'm self-employed and about 85% of my business comes from my Facebook page

yikes! That's a scary thought when FB has more control over the success of your business than you do.

Well to be fair, whenever I post my video projects on Facebook people watch and like them, they just get deleted on Reddit for "self promotion". yea so fuck me and my life long investment in video production and gear...

I only communicate via smoke signals.

B-b-but.. But my life began when Facebook did..

Deleted mine last night.

Godspeed. I've been off it for a while. I think you'll be fine

The more I look at it the more I lose hope

Just put it away man. Out of sight out of mind

Until someone can suggest to me a better website that allows me to follow every single one of my hobbies and interests on a real-time basis every day...I think I'll keep it. I don't even follow my friends or family - 100% of my feed consists of bands, comedians, journalists, news sources, local breweries, restaurants, state/national parks, travel blogs, my employer, my wife's employer, my kids school...basically everything I'm interested in.

All I do is spam my facebook with conspiracy videos and information. Dont give a fuck what anyone thinks. Its time to wake the fuck up.

This is a serious question, but how? I see how to deactivate my account, but have they intentionally made it nearly impossible to delete your account? I want nothing to do with it ever again, but it's feeling like a literal challenge to get rid of it for good haha

You can find how to do it online. They always change it. You can download your page as well before you full on delete it.

Nah.

It depends on how many to delete.

I run a conspiracy forum on Facebook with about 800 awesome people, for them, it's their "r/conspiracy" , what would you guys suggest in all seriousness to help myself and my friends there, get away from "suckerberg" but still remain as a group that fights illuminati injustice and the such? Thank you in advance, we are in this together

You don't need to leave the platform, I feel op is projecting his own dislike of social eduard and attempting to make a conspiracy out of it.

Im pretty sure Facebook is fucking with my profile, and now my ability to "share" articles has been disabled on my Sony Xperia, I'm no longer able to copy past articles to my group, the option is simply not there anymore, sure would like to leave, but the people in my group are like minded and great to speak with 😔

I know a group that set up its own web site with a forum - not really sure how hard that is or the cost but might be worth looking into.

I'm in the process right meow 😊

I mean I get deleting the invasive app, but what's wrong with checking in or your Facebook a couple times a week? I like posting about sports and pictures with my gf because it makes her happy. If you can't get off social media or take it too serious that's a personal problem.

I don't think anyone is arguing that. I think the invasion of privacy is the issue here.

I did last week. Its strange but I feel better. Just in general, and I don't have any regrets.

It’s really a weird feeling like how much better it actually makes you feel. I just spend more time on reddit now. Lol

Yeah exactly. Its this weird thing that you don't think is affecting your general being, and then it's gone and you just feel differently.

The only way I can describe it is lighter or better.

Been off Facebook for about 3 months now. I don’t miss it.

Been off Instagram and Facebook and twitter since January and I got to say my self esteem has got better, I’ve been more efficient, and I just simply don’t give a fuck about 95% of the things I used to think mattered.

The absolute state of /r/conspiracy

For those who still are on Facebook watch the documentary Facebookistan available on Vimeo (password: facebookistan) and read the article Reasons not to use Facebook . It is also important to get your friends off of Facebook. Read and send them this excellent article Get your loved ones off Facebook

Remember that staying on Facebook, you’re granting them permission to collect and use information about you, regardless of you even using the Internet. And by staying on, the data they collect on you gets used to create models about your closest friends and family, even the ones who opted out.

To get over Facebook visit http://deletefacebook.com

To get over Instagram visit http://www.deleteinstagram.com

Never had one. Lost most of my friends because they stopped talking to anyone who wasn't on facebook. If they value facebook more than my friendship, I think they did me a favor.

I have an idle one, haven't been on it in about a year and the amount of family/friends/acquaintances that are openly annoyed with me over this is astounding. I think a big reason for their anger is because I moved to another state, so they expect me to update my new life constantly for everyone's viewing. They have my phone number and email though which I reply to right away. Even before my move I still did not use FB, but this is seen as some personal affront to them.

Is there actually a way to delete it? I settle with deactivating it

Yes you can both download and fully delete your profile. They don't make it easy to find.

https://youtu.be/KbS-dKD4c9I

Never owned a facebook. My previous co workers called me weird and never invited me anywhere because I didn't have a facebook. I loved it.

I tend to agree.

way ahead of you, i never trusted that shit to begin with

Yeah... Between me banging all the chicks I didn't get to bang in high school, and Farmville it cost me a divorce. It's the Devil.

Lol FarmVille was the shit

After I read So You've Been Publicly Shamed by Jon Ronson I deleted all my social media (except Reddit, which I purge every now and then.) I don't want my life ruined because I tell a joke on Facebook or twitter.

5 years and never looked back

Like Me / Us On Face Book - so lame - no patronage from me / just the opposite, and now it's truly controlled by Big Brother (beware-I'm from the government and I'm here to help you) ya right

The internet can be likened to the public world, i.e. the world outside your door. Facebook is a bar.

Out in the world, your anonymity should be in effect at all times. When you go onto Facebook, that same anonymity should remain in effect until there is sufficient for it not to be. If I decide to carry on a conversation with a bartender or a patron, I do not nor should I have to give my name until I feel comfortable enough doing so.

There is no reason aside from monetary why Facebook does not operate this way.

Never had one to begin with..

Going on about a year without it now and I couldnt be happier with the decision. The targeted ads just from me talking about something was the last straw. Fuck that noise.

I never signed up. I carry it as a badge of honor.

FB is the largest global surveillance system ever devised. Period.

Why be scared if you have nothing to hide?

I’ll never know cuz I don’t FB.

• Joesph Goebbels

Any counter argument

The Third Reich isn't enough for you to see the flaw and danger in that kind of logic? Your literally quoting Hitlers minister of propaganda..

Man

Correct, he was also a man.

Why?

You know what's creepy? I deleted mine last night. It isn't automatically gone. It says it's scheduled for deletion and will be completed early December. I can only imagine they want to make sure they get every little morsel they can first.

The thing about social media is that no one actually cares what you post. YOU care what you post. And everyone else cares about what THEY post.

Delete your facebook.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbS-dKD4c9I

Populate it with fake information and leave it unused. This allows for the information held there to pollute other databases with information about you. This requires human eyes to clean up the data records to make sense of it. Raises the bar so that you're not the low hanging fruit.

A college professor “required” FB for one of my Business courses. I don’t have a Facebook and received a point deduction for failure to participate in the online discussions, regardless of my perfect in-class attendance.

Tell them it was for religious purposes.

I did This in 2010. One of the better decisions I’ve ever made.

Did that two years ago, never been happier.

Ditched mine a month ago.Feels good man...

just going to say there is no 'deleting' on deactivating you will always be able to log back in whenever you want.

ive deleted it 2-3 times now but always end up going back as all of my friends use it to plan social gatherings

so instead now i curate the shit out of it and use it to "redpill" friends.

most people think im crazy, but considering how many p'ms i get saying "holy shit i thought you were crazy until...." i get, its making a dent, however small that it is.

i've long since given up on the idea anything i do or say is private, when my computer is listening to my every word to generate ads.

i do my best to keep it from being an echo chamber, but its really funny to go look at how little of it shows up in other peoples new feeds.

This is exactly my situation, I’m going to guess you are 24-25?

a little older, 33.

Ah gotcha, i figure Facebook is where i do most of my “redpilling the normies” and it seems to work so i consider it a trade off for being Zucc’d.

I got rid of mine after I saw a thing about Zuckerburg possibly being a relative to Rockefeller. Not that I totally believe that, but it make me skeptical about how my information could be used later on when martial law comes into play. You just never know... better safe than sorry. Also, fuck Mark Zuckerburg.

Been Facebook free since 2012.

I was fed up with Facebook back then. From a technical perspective, the constant updates that were god-awful and destroyed usability and layout.

From a social perspective, it was just a bizarre pool of very weak acquaintances that you don't even really know or care about, posting inane shit like food and vacation pictures and selfies. And yeah, it's a system that is incredibly skewed towards feeding women a constant stream of attention that's not good for any of the persons involved. And the publicized personal drama.

And there are Orwellian concerns with the way Facebook controls and has access and sells your data.

That was back then, in 2012.

I can't imagine the political postings, the clickbait, the fake news, the censorship, the advertising, the send-us-your-nudes-so-we-can-protect-you type shit that goes on today - And people still use this shit? I feel like the worlds gone crazy, and yet I'm the one that gets funny looks when I have to tell someone 'I dont have facebook'.

done! https://www.facebook.com/help/delete_account

Don't just "deactivate" it either. They still sell your info to third parties if you do that.

Deleted mine last January and I love it.

deleted the app today How do I delete the profile ???

Cheers bro will look into it

I deactivated mine but as a software developer I'm occasionally asked to integrate facebook APIs and I have to make a new account or reactivate my old one

I agree but hiw is the post a conspiracy at all?

Done 😅

You can't delete Facebook, only deactivate.

No you can still delete it. It's just harder to find that option.

Educate please

Can't look it up now, but Google 'how to delete my Facebook account' and I'm sure you'll find something.

Although, even if you delete your account, Facebook keeps all your data indefinitely.

Facebook free for over 3 years!

i've been FB free for 6 years.

it's glorious.

social media free, my dudes. don't look back.

Deleted mine 2 years ago. I just have Instagram which I barely use, I post 2 maybe 3 pictures a year. And Reddit of course.

Deleted mine years ago. Lowkey life is so much better and safer. You'll have my personal line if you need to know about me.

Be warned, even if you delete it they keep a copy of all the data. They just set it to hidden on the server side.

Definitely delete it, but don't assume it protects you.

change all your data before you delete it

I like that attitude! I would imagine they keep changes separately, so they would still have a record of everything.

i always say we need browser addons which send 20+ random links per site i open. would everyone install this than all the data collection from nsa & co would be useless. they could never filter out the real links

Just jam them up, ya, I like that idea. It would certainly make their job a hell of a lot harder.

facebook is to have the contact info of people you don't love. this post belong to /LPT, not conspiracy

That's what I use Linked In for

I was joking. As op is suggesting, I have phone numbers and other means of communicating with friends and family... I love Facebook and deleting for the spite of it is retarded. Ppl just need self control and learn to not let apps consume u

Just learn to live with it. Let it in to your life.

I did this over 3 years ago

I had facebook for about a week. it was garbage. When I saw The Social Network, I killed it.

Kill your television while you're at it.

Reddit, you're next

Some of reddit is cool...I just got "banned" for calling out someone's irrational bullshit on r/resist...(again) (I didn't vote for Trump and am not a supporter, but bullshit is bullshit.)

"Those" people are off their nut with hate.

These are the same people who throw around words like "freedom" "choice" "Democracy" and "Hate"

Sad, really.... I assume that, like me, you wear your banishment as a badge of honor.

Peace!

Every dollar zuckerburg has is because he stole someone else's intellectual property

facebook

K but that's where I do like 90% of my shit posting

I deleted mine ages ago , it’s called feedon I don’t feel I fit to constantly check or hear bulkshit stories with fake people pretending their life’s are perfect

I deleted mine more than a year ago and have noticed much less annoyance at the world in general.

What's a book face?

You guys are really paranoid, to be frank. It's true - deleting your Facebook account will surely provide a little more privacy in your lives. As will covering your laptops' webcam with tape, talking with everyone in person - as opposed to on your phone. And while we're "on" your phone, you may as well stop taking pictures, or even texting, because all that is being channeled into a 500 billion Terribyte server.. for later.. when you get a speeding ticket, or something.

What's not the issuue? We probably don't. That's my point.

THANK YOU !

I was pretty addicted to it. I had a friend change my password for me and stopped logging on about 5 months ago. Forgot about it within a week and I finally deleted it about 3 months ago. I don't miss it even a tiny bit. Best decision in a long time!

http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/150123806#p150141422 just check out this from last night on 4chan

Delete all your socials!

Google inQtel and see how far that takes you. Also scroll up and check out the links in the pol thread OP provided, unless you're a bot then just be a bot and do bot stuff.

No biggy

From the beginning, skeptical users have seen the men and money behind Facebook, and the speculation are many.

Facebook has had a $ 13 million start-up capital from the venture company Accel Partners, which offers venture capital to start-up companies.

James Breyer, Accel, has previously been in NVAC, the National Venture Capital Association, together with Gilman Louie in In-Q-Tel, another venture company founded by the CIA in 1999.

In-Q-Tel is known for working with various types of information technology and information collection, including so-called «data mining».

Breyer has also been in the board of BBN Technologies, one of the companies behind the development of ARPANET, or what we currently know as the internet.

In October 2004, Gilman Louie joined the BBN Board, together with Dr. Anita Jones. Jones had previously worked in In-Q-Tel, and previously served as Director of Defense Research and Engineering in the US Department of Defense. She was responsible for the so-called Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA).

In 2002, DARPA established an Information Collection Office (IAO) aimed at collecting as much information as possible, as many as possible.

THE END

I'm trying to covert the normies and it seems to be working so I'm ok with bein zucc'd

I shouldn't be so stingy with winky faces ;-)

And the groundwork for an oil free future is already being set with company’s like Tesla

So, what, because we have one company developing electric cars we're all of a sudden saved?

Name me one industry that doesn't use oil in one way or another. Do you know how we get said oil here? Oil tankers and trucks, just to mention a few. A pipeline can only go 'so far' (just see what happened when someone wanted to build a pipeline through syria, jeez...). What do these two ways of transport have in common? They consume what they transport. And not just consume, but you need it in almost all aspects of maintenance.

Not really a reliable method, right? It's a snake consuming it's own body for sustenance. Which is not sustainable.

Sorry to pop your bubble, but as nice as Mr Musk and his cars are, they're not the solution to our problem.

We had peak oil like, what, ten years ago? It's only gonna get more tense as we can see the end of the supply.

We're talking resource wars, displaced populations and worldwide hunger from lack of supply.

Do you know how long your standard supermarkets supply can last, without refill? 3 days. So when the trucks stop, because the tankers stopped; you'll have 3 days before everything is gone.

Speak for yourself. you think the only way to run a business or market your company is on Facebook. Ignorant as fuck my friend.

Myspace/Facebook ruined the internet it was a beautiful place prior to 2002

Sure. Why don't you run your business with a typewriter and send all your ads via telegram?

Except you own and control your car. It would be like getting in someone else's care everyday and hoping they like you enough to take you where you want to go. If they decide they don't want to pick you up that day, then what?

Just because there is a new technology that seems to make your life easier doesn't mean you should blindly bend over and allow it to control your life/business

Do you even have a job?

Ok.. you're right. Stay on Facebook. Sounds like you fit right in.

I hope one day FB offers a service to all of its users where they can unplug from reality and hook themselves up matrix style to the FB world. Then the only people left walking around are people like me who don't want to put their entire life/reality on a platform owned and controlled by a toxic corporation. Gotta blindly accept all new technology fearing that you'll be left behind if you don't!

Yes. I own two business haha

But what happens when your horse dies? That's why I personally prefer to ride pigs.

but your relying on something you have no control over.

As oppose to what? Newspaper? Radio? TV? Please name one way to advertise your business with your complete control

what happens when you cant domesticate the wild horse? thats why i walk everywhere

About half. But we're not talking about the internet, we're talking about Facebook. The internet is a medium with options to create a free market for advertising. Facebook is a company who has the ability to change their terms at anytime.

I'm not knocking using Facebook as a fraction of your marketing plan so long as your business can survive without it.

If your business needs Facebook to opporate than you have a risky business model. There are people on this thread literally saying that they need Facebook to opporate their business. It should be hard to see the risk associated with that. You're beholden to one company, not an ecosystem of mediums like print, online etc.

Oh I haven't? You picked that up from reading my Reddit posts? haha

You seem really upset with the fact I can be successful without relying on Facebook marketing. Take your childish insults back to FB with the other brainless monkeys.

don't accidentally inject them into some medium in a sterile environment..whatever you do.

Don't forget that I'm talking about the demographic of 18 and below. 18-24 year olds are definitely still into it.

Ps: My taxes paid for that, you should thank me you ungrateful little shit.

Lol FarmVille was the shit