"I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, & that is that I know nothing." - Socrates. Just a reminder for users from all sides of the spectrum... no one really knows anything & just bc someone says it's true doesn't mean it is. Question everything
735 2017-11-14 by okokok7654
106 comments
1 KrazyKiwiKid 2017-11-14
Or....accept everything.
1 FrostyNovember 2017-11-14
Yeah you're in the wrong sub.
1 Biggie39 2017-11-14
That’s how >50% of the posts in this sub work though.
Random 4chan posts lead to conclusions very frequently.
1 Awesomo3082 2017-11-14
MSM supplies the conclusions for you. Not any better.
1 FrostyNovember 2017-11-14
I think he's mistaking the random noise that's posted here as what the sub as a whole believes.
1 gaslightlinux 2017-11-14
Yeah, that's what that quote means.
1 DerkDerkinson 2017-11-14
Good post. Question everything. Don’t accept a claim as truth unless the evidence supporting it has been put under one thousand microscopes.
1 Socialism_Is_Gay 2017-11-14
Maybe Occam's razor as well.
1 TheWiredWorld 2017-11-14
Occam's Razor is fallacious garbage because it's subject solely to perception and groupthink.
1 familyvalues2 2017-11-14
Well said.
1 cryo 2017-11-14
It’s a very valid concept in science, due to how scientific modeling works: if a more complex model can only produce the same predictions as a more simple one, there is not much sense in continuing to work with the complex one.
As long as the evidence is there, it’s also useful outside of science.
1 biggie1515 2017-11-14
Thank god atleast we all know the earth is flat at this point
1 okokok7654 2017-11-14
Go away
1 tabularaja 2017-11-14
Please educate yourself. If the earth wasn't flat, the gravitational forces from both sides of the sphere would cancel out and send people soaring into the nether. If the earth were spherical, any gravitational force would cancel out the equal gravitational force from the exact other side of the planet. See this scientific diagram for proof
1 Merkyorz 2017-11-14
That's not how it works. That's not how anything works.
1 MrTruxian 2017-11-14
Wow a “scientific proof” including the word “chinaman” and stick figures with absolutely no math.
1 opopno 2017-11-14
LOL
1 shubik23 2017-11-14
You know you can get the proof for yourself do you? Just built one of those balloons and attach a fucking GoPro to it. Look it up on YouTube. There are countless videos of people actually doing it. We are in god damn 2017 and you still think the earth is flat. SMH 🤦♂️
1 mtnrddt 2017-11-14
I knew some guys who sent a slice of pizza up on a balloon and won a world record for pizza sent highest into space or something. They made it into a music video for their band.
1 shubik23 2017-11-14
Whoa space pizza! Sounds awesome. But all jokes aside. I have seen videos of kids doing these kind of experiments. I mean what is the flat earth argument here? Those kids are hired by the government and this is all staged? 😄
1 mtnrddt 2017-11-14
It was pretty cool!
I agree with you completely. This was just some dudes who probably got really stoned and thought it would be funny but you can clearly see the curvature of the Earth in the video.
1 DogSnoggins 2017-11-14
Fizzicks? Wut fizzicks?
1 DogSnoggins 2017-11-14
My house is level from corner to corner and side to side. Impossible if it was built on a sphere; it would wobble. Simple proof that the earth is fat. I mean flat.
1 OVERGROUND7 2017-11-14
Nothing will ever be put under that many microscopes - it is too high a burden of proof and it's exactly what all the anti-conspiracists want to stroke their confirmation biases.
1 Awesomo3082 2017-11-14
I know that this reply will appear in a rectangular box.
.....
Boom. Premise destroyed.
1 veryshitty 2017-11-14
define box
1 Awesomo3082 2017-11-14
It's something you put tedious semantics into.
If you find yourself having to question the meaning of "box", especially when it's already in context, then you're hopelessly lost, and may as well give up thinking altogether.
1 veryshitty 2017-11-14
wrong answer little hombre
1 Awesomo3082 2017-11-14
Sure thing, kiddo.
Good luck in your quest for the meaning of Box.
1 veryshitty 2017-11-14
listen boy
1 limesqueezeme13 2017-11-14
I wise man should no something ...c'mon Socrates let's have this out.
1 okokok7654 2017-11-14
Like how to spell know?
1 limesqueezeme13 2017-11-14
Lost already
1 2012ronpaul2012 2017-11-14
Put your faith in God, not men.
"Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me. My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. You know the way to the place where I am going.”
Thomas said to him, “Lord, we don’t know where you are going, so how can we know the way?”
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”
Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”
Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves. Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it."
1 PookubugQ 2017-11-14
People would rather play dumb than admit they know things by the vote count.
1 other_self 2017-11-14
yeah, fuck science.
1 veryshitty 2017-11-14
i like it
1 killerjavi98 2017-11-14
Yes, pursue the truth, consider a thought or idea without fully accepting it, remember there's always more to learn. But most importantly question everything, even me. Best post I'very seen in a while, you deserve a cookie.
1 atypicalmale 2017-11-14
I feel compelled to add a reminder to everyone how powerful WANTING something to be true can be. I've definitely noticed myself not evaluate something clearly for personal reasons.
1 mrrabe 2017-11-14
And fearing something is equally powerful.
1 ogrelin 2017-11-14
Preach! Confirmation bias is stronger than facts in people’s minds. I recently read how some people react by reinforcing their beliefs when presented with evidence that contradicts it.
1 florpydorpal 2017-11-14
He knows that the wisest man knows nothing, so by knowing that, he's not the wisest man? I think it's a good pointer, but not a great destination; to try to not know anything. Be open to all and don't get mired in dogma, for sure, but also don't let doubt ruin you.
1 SpikeShroom 2017-11-14
Why should I question everything?
1 okokok7654 2017-11-14
Why shouldn't you?
1 SpikeShroom 2017-11-14
Because then I'd be following OP's advice without questioning it, which is against OP'S advice, as I should question everything.
1 momosalemur 2017-11-14
You can know literally anything this is really fucking stupid. His point was to just fuck with people to try and prove their presumptions were wrong. He was an argumentative prick not an almighty authority. Just because we talk about him now doesn't make his information any more valid, information of which plenty is wrong. Ask yourself: do you know anything? Do you know anything at all? You certainly know something. Your name. Your favourite band. Your girlfriend. You know enough to know you know something. If you want to argue some reductivist demon sending fake signals crap don't message me I'm not interested. God sends us all information and what he sends can be known entirely and experienced.
Right now I'm looking at a metal pole and I can tell you, I know it will fucking hurt if I punch it.
1 TheOxOnRocks 2017-11-14
Scrotumtes was gay, he had a lot of stupid ideas and sayings. I upvoted you for the metal pole. Attack cucks at will sir.
1 okokok7654 2017-11-14
K why are you here then? People like you that waste their time commenting bullshit that has no substance are annoying
1 atavisticbeast 2017-11-14
.... the_donald users, everybody.
1 okokok7654 2017-11-14
We see the world from two different perspectives my man. I don't know anything and the "knowledge" we all claim to have had to have originated from somewhere. We only call trees trees because that's the word we picked for them. The word tree itself doesn't mean anything if it's detached from the physical object it's meant to define.
Also pain is associated with your mental state and how you process painful experiences. How do you think people can walk across nails or lay on a bed of hot coal? Their brains are wired to not feel the pain that we normally would. Look deeper into the world and our existence
1 momosalemur 2017-11-14
Except whether we call it a tree or a frog we know what we're referring to. We can talk with one another to clarify. Your point on pain is irrelevant, some may be numb to it but they still know they are numb and roughly how numb. I'm not saying pain isn't real I'm saying we can literally all know how much of it we feel. Be it a little or a lot. The guy that walks across coals knows he's going to walk across something and he knows he had spent months training so he knows he doesn't have to feel how fucking hot it is.
1 ZeerVreemd 2017-11-14
Well, shouldn't it be possible than that hitting a metal pole does not always hurt? Could this mean that perception is indeed everything?
How can you claim to know, sure you know the names we accepted as truth and we concluded some things are "real", but there are so many theories promoted by mainstream that now are almost accepted as truths that it is almost impossible to even find the truth anymore.
So many people tried to make the world see it could be better for us all, but why where they "shot down" if they became so big they actually could make a change for the better?
1 momosalemur 2017-11-14
It does not always hurt but I know it will. That's the point I KNOW that because we can know things.
1 ZeerVreemd 2017-11-14
Ah, i see the problem here, you have stopped believing and trust completely in knowing, just like science took over religion.
Can't you see that mainstream science is actually acting and reacting as a religion and are part of the same game?
Every invention or theory, both in religion and science that has come up in this world has been shot down fast, this while every human would benefit from it. Why would this be done, why would anybody keep humanity from reaching their full potential?
Everything in this world is designed to keep humanety seprerated, in fear, anxiety and bad health, science is part of this and covering this up. Many mainstream religions are also designed to keep people seperated or make people helpless or passive while give away their own powers to something else. Why would you give away your natural powers? Why would some not like it if we find out what we actualy are and capabe off?
Mainstrean science and religions are just as big part of the same problem as money, government, media and education are.
1 kanye5150 2017-11-14
Dude it's just a metaphor that if you think you know everything you are shut out to new ideas and learning. He is basically just saying he is in a perpetual state of learning in life (Because He Is Open Minded).
1 momosalemur 2017-11-14
That's what I said. He said it to fuck with people. He was stating he was open to shit and they werent.
1 i_cansmellthat 2017-11-14
How do you know his intentions?
1 momosalemur 2017-11-14
Because he was a troll who would regularly troll citizens at the markets...,..
1 wily_mo_pena 2017-11-14
the earth is flat
1 Gooo66 2017-11-14
The one and only problem with the concept of questioning everything is that it could very easily lead someone down a rabbit hole. I've been practicing this "question everything" ideology for some years now and all I've really gotten out of it was a horrible case of suspicion towards everyone and everything.
Granted, suspicions could very well turn out to be true and therefore warranted but the point I'm trying to make is that if we live and die by this idea to never trust anything and question it all then at some point we're bound to find ourselves alone and distrustful of everything.
It's a weird kind of double edged sword. I feel like at some point we all have to essentially pick a side and take a leap of faith.
1 Kcarp6380 2017-11-14
Trust the people in your life.
Never trust anything on Facebook or in the media.
Actually I do kind of trust the news where I live. A little not fully, but I believe them when they say a Dollar Tree was robbed.
1 Gooo66 2017-11-14
Difficult. 3/4 of them are fake, self-serving and entirely full of shit. The few that are real and honest are too busy trying to find their own way in this world to bother with toxic people.
Deleted FB back in 2012 because it was obvious then how it was going to turn out.
The media in general I've always been skeptical of. Got rid of television a while back and now I, like many others, have basically crafted my own way of getting the news: Start with whatever google news has to say, or some other generic aggregator, then I check a few different sites from different POV's to get different perspectives (RT, The Atlantic, The Guardian, Al Jazeera, Breitbart) I like to see what they all have to say. Then I usually conclude it by coming on here to see what the average joe thinks is up.
lol
1 killerjavi98 2017-11-14
I agree with you that its okay to be skeptical but not overly skeptical because you lose faith in everything. I started with the question everything ideology, I did end up being overly skeptical but I didn't end up being paranoid about everything, although I almost got to that point. However, I moved on, instead of wasting my time by just questioning everything, I now question things to see if there true, test theories to see if there true, pursue the truth and not be afraid of being wrong, that's how we learn and grow by trial and error. We have free will and the capacity to understand how our universe works, the problem is to find the truth of the universe and ourselves.
However there are those who want to keep the truth to themselves to use it as an advantage to those who do not know, for the simple purpose of dominating those who do not know.
The same way in your case is that knowledge can be used as a double edged sword for good and evil. The choice is always yours.
1 ZeerVreemd 2017-11-14
In the end there aren't any sides left, it is just you and all in one. But for now you only need to focus on two things, faith is good, but being honest and life your live out of Love is the only way you will create a better world for yourself and us all.
Honesty will show you the way through this maze, and Love will shine a light so you won't stumble too much.
1 fuckingshitman11 2017-11-14
I literally just used this quote on someone who claimed to understand how souls work and psychedelic drugs aren't needed to access it. It didnt go well. It never goes well.
1 CalvinHobb3s 2017-11-14
Why are these comments so dogshit. I've been a lurker on this sub for a while, but the comments on this one just infuriated me. Of course he's not referring to literally knowing 'nothing'. He's saying that even with all our knowledge about what we believe to be true, about the universe..consciousness, god... We can never be 100% certain of it's accuracy. I mean after all, we might be a hologram of another consciousness "THINKING" hitting a metal pole "HURTS". BUT! that doesn't detract from the fact that YOU, within your perception of reality as a whole, felt pain.
1 okokok7654 2017-11-14
I understand he didn't literally mean we don't know nothing and the concept of never being 100% certain about things... but it's kind of hard to explain that rationale in a title with limited characters. And I agree with your interpretation of hitting a pole hurting, I guess I didn't do very well at explaining that in my comment though. Everything that we experience is based on our own perception; our own personal truth and reality.
At the same time, applying this philosophy to today's society, one would assume that not knowing anything would also apply to the media/government/politics and how things are portrayed. My main point is that none of us knows the real truth about what's going on behind the scenes, and we're all just doing our best to interpret truth from fiction based on the facts presented and our own perception of them. There is no black and white in areas of politics, and there's definitely not always a right and wrong side. It's a lot more complex than that. Socrates said this after going on a journey to discover the wisest man and found that the people who are deemed to be most wise in society, aren't anywhere near as wise as they think they are because their self righteousness and arrogance prevented them from looking beyond their existing knowledge.
I find issue with the self righteousness of all sides that come here and wanted to humbly remind everyone that we don't really know anything at all
1 Silentbtdeadly 2017-11-14
You simply promoted ignorance, which is not at all what the intent of the quote is. It's more about even if you know a fuck ton of shit, a wise person is willing to accept that what they know is fallible. Truth and fact are subjective, built on a medium of words to explain them which in themselves are subject to interpretation.
1 okokok7654 2017-11-14
Telling people to question what they know is in no way promoting ignorance but I appreciate the criticism.
1 globaldu 2017-11-14
"I refute it thus!" ~ Dr Samuel Johnson
1 parrhesiaJoe 2017-11-14
I love this quote :)
1 TonySmehrik 2017-11-14
Wonder if Socrates actually wrote that....
1 okokok7654 2017-11-14
Well Plato is the one who wrote it but it was Socrates who said it. It's in the Apology. Here's a sparknotes summary of that part
1 liquidocean 2017-11-14
According to Wikipedia, he didn't
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_that_I_know_nothing
1 Lasterba 2017-11-14
I disagree. We know things. Things that are true, are true. Socrates believed that acknowledging personal ignorance was wisdom. He also believed the sun was a God riding a chariot across the sky.
1 PookubugQ 2017-11-14
No one knows anything? Do you know that?
1 Cinderblocks2 2017-11-14
I place this aphorism up with statements like "that's just your opinion". It shouldn't have to be said. Life continues because of the assumptions we make based on what we think we know. Society continues because of the hope that the aggregation of a million opinions approximates a useful near-enough truth.
1 bridgeheadprod 2017-11-14
Hmm I’ve always thought tha a truly wise man can admit he knows nothing. I didn’t know this was actually a quote.
1 PM_ME_UR_GLIPGLOPS 2017-11-14
No hands like soccer teams, and y'all fuck boys like Socrates.
1 FaceGoesBOOM 2017-11-14
A wild Childish Gambino lyric has appeared
1 Fazblood779 2017-11-14
"The only barrier to truth is the presumption that you already have it" - Chuck Missler
"He who answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him" - Proverbs 18:13
You honestly can not claim to be aware of politics or the direction of the world if you don't do your own research or counter-check everything your sources tell you.
1 atavisticbeast 2017-11-14
Relevant quote from my favorite scientist, Richard Feynman. He said something along the same lines, tho a bit more long winded. I've always found it to be a pretty powerful quote.
1 throwawaymnmnmn 2017-11-14
I only know I
1 DiabolicalBiz 2017-11-14
Soc was a known pedo
1 okokok7654 2017-11-14
And that's a terrible thing that I in no way agree with or would justify.
I am intrigued by his philosophies and how he viewed the world. What he did in his personal life doesn't discount the theories and ideas he gave to the world. Same thing goes for people like Thomas Jefferson. I think it's horrible that he had slaves but he was one of the greatest intellectuals in American history and it would be foolish to dismiss him just because we don't agree with his choices.
1 macronius 2017-11-14
The elites are running circles around you guys because the world is controlled technocratically, ultimately that means computationally, that means mathematically, that means politics is just frosting on the cake, politics is not and can no longer be permitted to be real before the inevitability of elite-led technological change.
1 macronius 2017-11-14
This is and will remain a pretend playground for you guys unless you are able to articulate complex levels of analysis that are not only able to transform ways of thinking, but more fundamentally waves of mentally functioning, that is all the masses have left, the power to influence reality through a common positive consciousness. And even that may be too little too late.
1 ZeerVreemd 2017-11-14
To me it looks like the whole "analog" controll matrix is falling apart, but i agree with the fact that they are building and rolling out the new "digital" matrix out already.
We all stand for a choise soon, will we follow the old "technology" path that is being pushed, or will we turn to a more natural state of "reality" and leave the "evil" behind?
1 doi2727 2017-11-14
I know the sun rises and sets. I know I need oxgyen to breathe, and I know I must eat to live. I know oak trees produce acorns. I'd say I know a lot of things. And, I could continue this all day!
I beat you Socrates, in your silly game of logic. lol
1 DogSnoggins 2017-11-14
I don't believe you.
1 Drinkycrow84 2017-11-14
A combination of two Nietzsche quotes I like reads like this:
There are no facts, only interpretations. All things are subject to interpretation. Whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.
And I get that there is truth behind things. It just reminds me that the popular opinion isn't always true.
1 codingchick 2017-11-14
this quote is very dangerous for stupid individuals
1 theopiumdenshow 2017-11-14
Part of me wants to say this post was made as a scheme to make us question our own sanity in a way that is very subtle yet effective and was maybe postedby deep state operatives. However, I agree with the post. I'm torn.
1 StThomasAquina 2017-11-14
Few people realize this, but Socrates was actually quoting the lyrics from Knowledge by Operation Ivy. "All I know is that I don't know, all I know is that I don't know nothin' " is the actual quote. They were hanging out in Socrates buddies garage smoking when he dropped this line and someone in the group ran with it and here we are today.
1 alloftheproblems 2017-11-14
I was actually just thinking about this earlier with all the Q posts. So many users so quick to dismiss it. A lot of two to three week old accounts too, which I dismissed as people using alts, but now I'm questioning even that.
This is a larp, you're stupid for believing it.
What if it isn't a larp? When did we as a community become so willing to just shut down something and close our eyes on it, and when did we become so partisan?
1 unruly_mattress 2017-11-14
Accusations surface against Hillary Clinton: they are 100% correct and only the tip of the iceberg! You're a shill if you think otherwise! To the gallows!
Junior Trump's twitter has clear evidence that Wikileaks was working with the Trump campaign to create a false impression of impartiality despite being slanted: Heyyyy, let's not jump into conclusions so fast. Here's a quote by a smart Greek philosopher. Just because things seem true doesn't make it so. Hey, have you seen the latest Hannity? I'm having a hard time deciding between the Hannity Uranium One flowchart and the Jeff Sessions hearing poster.
1 Orangutan 2017-11-14
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false" ~former CIA Director. Follow the white rabbit.
1 recklessrider 2017-11-14
That's not actually the exact quote it is "The ancient Oracle said that I was the wisest of all the Greeks. It is because I alone, of all the Greeks, know that I know nothing"
1 Kevydee 2017-11-14
Nullius In Verba.
1 bobqjones 2017-11-14
i prefer the So Crates version from the Wyld Stallyns documentary.
"The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing."
1 TORNasunder2 2017-11-14
Begin and end with one simple question; ¿ Qui Bono?
Who Benefits?
1 whenipeeithurts 2017-11-14
Pro 9:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.
He wasn't wise.
1 Gibbbbb 2017-11-14
Trump knows a lot though.
1 Nuggburner 2017-11-14
Socrates sorta sounds like a neck beard that achieved Nirvana
1 joshy5lo 2017-11-14
If I could magically gold upvote something once a year, it would be this post.
1 LeeKinanus 2017-11-14
The map is not the territory.
1 thinkB4Uact 2017-11-14
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle
1 ParapsychologicalFog 2017-11-14
socrates knew that he knows alot. this statement of him knowing nothing was a diss to his peers . " look at how smart i am yet i know nothing. you guys know even less than me so what does that make you'
1 limesqueezeme13 2017-11-14
Lost already
1 okokok7654 2017-11-14
I understand he didn't literally mean we don't know nothing and the concept of never being 100% certain about things... but it's kind of hard to explain that rationale in a title with limited characters. And I agree with your interpretation of hitting a pole hurting, I guess I didn't do very well at explaining that in my comment though. Everything that we experience is based on our own perception; our own personal truth and reality.
At the same time, applying this philosophy to today's society, one would assume that not knowing anything would also apply to the media/government/politics and how things are portrayed. My main point is that none of us knows the real truth about what's going on behind the scenes, and we're all just doing our best to interpret truth from fiction based on the facts presented and our own perception of them. There is no black and white in areas of politics, and there's definitely not always a right and wrong side. It's a lot more complex than that. Socrates said this after going on a journey to discover the wisest man and found that the people who are deemed to be most wise in society, aren't anywhere near as wise as they think they are because their self righteousness and arrogance prevented them from looking beyond their existing knowledge.
I find issue with the self righteousness of all sides that come here and wanted to humbly remind everyone that we don't really know anything at all
1 globaldu 2017-11-14
"I refute it thus!" ~ Dr Samuel Johnson
1 okokok7654 2017-11-14
Telling people to question what they know is in no way promoting ignorance but I appreciate the criticism.
1 momosalemur 2017-11-14
It does not always hurt but I know it will. That's the point I KNOW that because we can know things.