Well-researched and organized as usual. Thank you!!

Where is evidence of thousands of rounds worth of damage? No footage of the aftermath at all. A guy goes around painting the ground but you can tell there is no bullet damage. Las Vegas was a hoax like Sandy Hook, Boston Bombing and the Pulse night club. If you are unaware of how those three hoax events were accomplished, please make sure to check them out before diving into Las Vegas too deeply. It is the same group of conspirators. They are all hoaxes. Watch Boston Umbombing if want to investigate something.

There is video of the cleanup the day after and nowhere in the scene is there damage from even one bullet. It was a hoax. Just like Boston and sandy hook. There, I have saved you a ton of time. You should move onto the next event if you care to help.

What was there to even damage? And if there was damage how are you about to see bullet holes in the stage or wherever else. It was pretty much all concrete. So if this was all a hoax, where are the gun shot noises coming from? Wouldn't every single person in Vegas just be like yo, not one bullet was fired. People wouldn't of been running if there were no bullets coming at them. Why were people freaking out then? If nobody was getting shot around them and no billets whizzing around, nobody would run.

Tents, walls, cement ground, stage, lights, speakers, food stands, cars

Should I keep on going?

Ok but what do you have to say about the rest? If there were no bullets flying around and nobody died every single person from that concert would call out the BS. Also once again how is a video from a distance going to show you anything? So yes please keep going.

if you want to check for yourself to see if my theory is correct I encourage you to. I have no intention of proving it thread after thread after thread

Not sure where I check your theories guy. Clearly don't have much if you can't copy and paste. Prolly took more time to type those sentences out rather than copy and past your groundbreaking theory.

I'm not attempting to prove it.

Then why do you talk like you know what happens. When there is stacks of evidence supporting the Vegas shooting did happen, and there is absolutely zero proof it didn't. Please think logically for 2 seconds. What would anyone gain by running these hoaxes? Also, it would be probably 500 times harder to pull this shit off, rather than just actually killing people. But hey, stay crazy buddy.

Stay ignorant

I mean you are far more ignorant. You have literally nothing to say at all. You don't have single reason as to why you think this, you just do haha. And rather than sneer my questions you resort to name calling, continuing to prove you don't know shit.

I have plenty to say but not to shills. If you'd like to see if Las vesgas might have been a hoax I encourage you to look into it.

I'm not a shill, like at all. I've looked into it lmao. But one would think if you had all these answers and everything figured out, you would share with those who doubt you. That's why ur phony. Once again I don't believe a single thing the media has said other than people died. I am a man of no party who just wants happiness and good place to live for his family. I believe in most conspiracies in this sub. So to call me a shill just isn't true, and furthers my point as to how dumb you are. Because rather than just show me why you think this, you call me names and have nothing.

I didn't mean to imply you were. I'll edit

Here is how I would go about proving it to you. Step one, watch Boston Unbombing. It is 4 hours long but nobody said exposing a fake bombing would be short or easy.

After you have watched that video, make sure you've researched sandy Hook for several hours as well. Once both of those conditions have been met, approach the Las Vegas terror attack with an open mind and see where the evidence leads you. If you know about sandy hook, and you have watched Boston Unbombing to understand the logistics of a hoax, all the evidence given for Las Vegas proves one thing..It was a hoax.

That'd just be me finding shit out on my own, not you proving anything. I've researched them. Doesn't mean they are related. Those instances seem much more likely to be hoaxes, at least sandy hook and Orlando. They weren't out in the open in front of thousands of people. Once again I get why you think that, but in order for your theory To be true so much shit had to be faked. It would of been harder to fake it rather than do it.

Boston Unbombing. I'm done responding in this thread

every single person from that concert would call out the BS.

every single person from that concert assumes someone else got shot, except the actors faking their injuries of course. They know nobody got shot.

Do you understand why the burden of proof rests o the people claiming gunshots? We could argue all fucking day about “no shots fired” and there will always be room for doubt. What about this guy? What about that area? There is an infinite amount of speculation. Nobody can ever prove that “no shots were fired”.

However, if shots were fired then it should be simple enough to verify that claim. So why hasn’t anybody done it yet, without resorting to the same tired old crisis actors sitting up in hospital beds laughing and joking?

No more like people saw people get shot then ran. I'm sorry but you can't run a hoax with that many witnesses. Until you show me proof nobody was shot then it's no story. And you'll say there is no proof of anyone dying. But it's just false. Yeah nobody caught a video of a direct freaking hit. But people were running from gunshots, there were photos of bodies everywhere, videos of people dropping during the shots. Funerals have been held. Families have hired lawyers looking for answers. Oh but those are all actors gotcha. Outta just say what you are gonna say before you say it. Believe what you want really.

Until you show me proof nobody was shot then it's no story.

*facepalm* Reading comprehension not so good huh? Re-read what I write about burden of proof and how it is —literally— impossible to prove “nobody got shot”.

If you are making the claim someone was shot, the you need to prove that claim or show me someone else who already proved it . You won’t do that, because you can’t do that. Such proof doesn’t exist.

You don’t get to ride on the coattails of the media narrative and claim authority, correctness or virtue without evidence . Why is this simple, fundamental and logical concept so hard for so many people on this so-called conspiracy sub to understand?

Lmao. Wow you are really smart bro. I just ride on the media coattails so much. False. I don't believe a single thing the media has said other than people died. I just gave you proof. People have held funerals and families are hiring lawyers to find out what happened. What more proof do you actually need. Did you want one of the victims to wear a GoPro? Would that be enough proof. I made the claim, and then told you what families have been doing. Explain why families are hiring lawyers, posting obituaries and holding funerals? Once again what more proof do you need to know people died. Once again unless you think all of that is fake.

I don't believe a single thing the media has said other than people died.

Why do you believe people died? You do realise that this is the only part that stays consistent among all the noise right?

That’s not because it’s true. It’s because this is the core of the narrative. Yet it’s still completely unproven, save for some bleeding-heart unverifiable anecdotes in the media, the same place all the other bullshit gets aired.

People have held funerals and families are hiring lawyers to find out what happened.

Bull-fucking-shit. None of the reported facts are true. It’s all part of the same performance. All of the things you’ve cited can be faked, and have been faked by government agencies in the past in order to sell a narrative. None of those things constitute proof.

Why selectively choose what to believe without evidence? Is there anything verifiable at all except for the media‘s propaganda reporting?

Ok lol. It's like talking to a brick wall. Have a good one.

Believe me, the feeling is mutual.

I don't believe you!

Well played :)

Maybe I misunderstand but here is the way I see it.

1- there is a shooting reported. Mass casualties.

2- a bunch of hoaxers ACCUSE “it was fake.”

In a court of law, whether civil or criminal. the burden of proof lies with the accuser. In this scenario that would be YOU. All you present is circumstantial evidence... no PROOF which you say is what is required.

I truly expect some kind of BS reply, but this all makes me so angry. Not just at you and your ilk, but at the whole mess, as I do believe there is a larger agenda, I just don’t know what it is.

Anyway, I’m not even sure I know why I engage with you guys.

You boiled it down into just two parts but still managed to get it backwards. That takes talent.

Look up Russell’s Teapot. That explains how burden of proof works.

If you can’t wrap your head around that, try to prove a negative claim with as many variables as the event in Vegas (e.g people did NOT get shot). It isn’t possible to definitively prove it, ever. There will always be room for doubt that, just perhaps, we overlooked something . This is why the burden always, always rests on the positive claim (e.g. people WERE shot) and anyone who refuses to accept it is within the boundaries of logic and reason, and indeed the law, until sufficient evidence emerges to prove beyond a reasonable doubt otherwise.

There is no physical, irrefutable proof of the original claim, which is that people got shot. Stories and anecdotes don’t count as proof. Testimonials from actors don’t count as proof. A bandage doesn’t count as proof. There. Is. None.

Bertrand Russell is just a philosopher, this is only a thought experiment. I’m talking in a legal sense. But let me make a positive claim and you refute it. There will always be reasonable doubt.

Here’s the claim: you are a fat, pimply, incel with nothing to do all day but sit in front of your computer and stir the shit with insults and saying things that make no sense. Prove me wrong.

Feel free to imagine me as whatever helps you sleep at night, unfortunately for you though, the ad hominem doesn’t make the argument or your position any stronger, because your position requires assumptions that have not been proven.

Riddle me this: is it possible or impossible to prove that “nobody was shot” or even that “no shots were fired”?

If it is impossible to prove either of those statements (hint: both are negative claims), how would anyone go about proving them?

Clearly, then, we are forced to approach the question from the opposite direction, by reverting to that which can be proven . To wade in the philosophical quagmire of the unprovable is an interesting mental exercise but it doesn’t help us establish what happened.

In summary: it’s impossible to falsify all the claims of this event, so we must instead ask what evidence exists to support them.

Is it theoretically possible to prove claims of a shooting are true?

How would we do that?

To what extent is that proof independently verifiable along an unbroken evidence chain?

At what point can we go no further and must rely on trusted assertions? Were we at that point as soon as the shooting happened? What about now?

Has anyone double-checked any of the assertions made by victims and eyewitnesses to the extent necessary to declare “proof” or are we relying on trust a little too early?

The men in the crowd were yelling "it's fake gunfire coming from the speakers!!"

So everyone ran why if that's true?

Herd mentality.

Huh?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_mentality

until they saw people get shot, thats human nature. downplay uncertainties

It was too loud actually. Bad job on the audio techs part.

Absurd lmao

Terrorism

Idk what ur saying.

the event was a terrorist act even though nobody died. It sounds absurd but it is terrorism

You said the gun shots over the PA were too loud. That's what's absurd. You actually thinking gun shots were played over the speakers. I just need to stop with you fools now before I get banned.

Yes. I do believe that

Ok bud

Does that mean the people in some of the videos above were hired to act that they or their loved ones had been shot?

Yes

you're an idiot.

I second this. Dude says it's a hoax with no real evidence to back it up. The burden of proof is on those who believe it was a hoax in this situation.

People who say any of these events are idiots in my book. False flags, maybe. Hoaxes, no. It’s just not worth the time and effort to pull off hoaxes of this sophistication. Killing people would be easier. Sad to say but it’s true and also totally obvious to anyone with half a brain.

I agree its not hard to believe that CIA/FBI/Deep State is malevolent enough to carry out real life massacres to push agendas

Exactly. That's my point. A hoax would be extremely difficult to pull off, I have no idea why anyone thinks these things are hoaxes. Show me real evidence that one of them is and maybe I'll change my mind however. All this conjecture the hoaxers spill out is just total nonsense. People die and are injured, saying they aren't is actually pretty offensive.

A hoax is easier to pull off than finding someone willing to murder hundresds of people for a yet to be figured out motive

I'd believe some kind of CIA mind control hypnotism on the shooters before I believed it was a hoax. A hoax with 22k people and a whole city would not be easy to pull off, utterly ridiculous especially while we are in the age of the internet. A SMALL hoax would have been easy like 30 years ago, not now.

Cool!! But it was a hoax. Believe whatever you want to believe. That's why this hoax was written this way! Have a blast.

you're a shill idiot.

I'm neither

I think all the people trying to call it a hoax are disinfo shills trying to bring down the conspiracy theory community as a whole.

Here you go: Look at this photo . That is not a real injury, it is quite clearly a moulage application, aka fake gore.

That picture was taken at the scene of the pyrotechnics show at the Boston Marathon. If fake gore was ready and waiting, and photographers happened to focus on it, and newspapers and tv ran stories with that picture with no retractions... then what makes you think any of it was real?

This is just the tip of the iceberg. Watch “Boston Unbombing” to see a lot more, or find Peekay Boston’s many videos unravelling this particular hoax.

Then, when you are done with Boston Marathon, look into the many, many others media phoney fake shows with a similar quality and quantity of doubt cast over their authenticity.

Of course cognitive dissonance will kick in and you’ll be tempted to assume that even in the face of overwhelming fakery, surely somebody got hurt, surely some people died, it must have been a mixture of fake and real .

During my own research I’ve found no evidence that any media-hysteria mass shootings, bombings, car attacks, van attacks etc are real. They are all staged, just like Boston. I’m sure some such events do happen for real every now and again, but those aren’t the ones we read about because they have complex motives or inconvenient details that don’t further the narrative as desired.

Just think about it a while longer and keep researching the evidence, until you finally accept the crushing realisation that it’s all fake .

Well I’m an idiot then. I don’t believe Vegas was a hoax. False flag possibly. But Sandy Hook and Boston Bombing are within the realm of possibility for a hoax.

The burden of proof is on the one who disagrees with me

No. It’s always on the original claim. The claim that a shooting happened. Prove that first.

Oh, you can’t? Never mind then.

Uht. Okay so a girl my significant other went to high school with was shot in the head which she survived but is permanently blind in one eye and may be able to regain sight in the other. I can link the article if you want. She got released from the hospital a week or two ago. Pretty hard to hoax a shooting with over 20,000 concert goers don’t you think.

Your turn lol

Link it, then prove it. An article in the media proves nothing by itself.

http://www.pe.com/2017/10/24/doctors-to-treat-eyes-of-las-vegas-shooting-victim-chelsea-romo-of-wildomar/

Apparently she went to my high school class of '07, I'm '04 (saw on facebook) then graduated at the newer high school that was built in the area (Vista). I didn't know her personally, my girlfriend does though they're nothing more than acquaintances. There's other articles around but this is the paper that covers my area in southern California. Now it's your turn to try and disprove that real people were shot with real bullets.

That all you got? I’ll take that as “internet anecdote” then. No proof.

Yes because a real person with real injuries isn’t sufficient. Gtfo, can’t argue with someone who’s waved bye-bye to logic long ago.

Yes because a real person with real injuries isn’t sufficient. Gtfo, can’t argue with someone who’s waved bye-bye to logic long ago.

You haven’t proved either point:

1. that’s she’s real (kind of critical)
2. that she’s injured (real people can act injured my friend, go watch a movie). And I’ll add...
3. If she is injured, that she obtained that injury at the event .

This ‘proof’ stuff isn’t rocket science you know.

That's a lot of people to coordinate...

How many people?

What is the largest coordinated event you know is real? The Olympics? The Superbowl? Would a Vegas-sized hoax involve far fewer people than that or not?

Do gov agencies have access to unlimited human and financial resources? Yes or no? Does the government know enough about most people to potentially blackmail them into silence? Yes or no?

Do you now see some of the ways a hoax on this scale could feasibly be carried out?

Fair enough.

Lol

It's funny you got proved wrong. Why so set on believing it's a hoax anyways?

Bc I know that it was. I know how they do them. I ve researched sandy Hook, Boston, pulse nightclub and others

Oh this guy knows ^ he knows how this certain group of people runs fake mass shootings lmao.

Thank you. They keep reporting the videos and I keep watching to see if I'll see any blood, hear the blood curdling screams of loved ones bearing the witness I their brethren dying.

Either they somehow only managed to release the videos that look fake, or it's just fake.

only managed to release the videos that look fake

this is the part I don't understand about the fake claims. Unless a person is a trained EMT, combat medic, ER doctor or something with a history of dealing with combat/gun related injuries how do they know what looks fake or not in the first place? Expecting some sort of movie like damage out put with people getting hit and then thrown backwards 20 feet? Days after the event people who claimed to be EMT and so on were saying it clearly looked real to them but of course being it's online it's easy to claim they were not EMT or whatever.

but I still wonder just what someone expects to see in the videos? I think we are so use to movie violence and thankfully for most people their lives are devoid of violence to the point we don't know what real gun violence looks like anymore.

but claims of the entire event being fake are just foolish. At some point it's just not possible to fake an event of a certain size. I've said this before but your average cop/EMT and even federal agent is just a family man/women doing their job. This strange idea people have that law enforcement is all hive mind and ready to be "in on it" at a moments notice is just false. 50+ EMT show up, all in on? All the ambulances and ER trips? In on it? Doctors at the hospitals? In on it? No one has come forward saying it was fake? Entire city emergency response, in on it?

You are suuuch a fucking douchebag. People like you are ruining this sub. You add nothing to the discussion. I can only imagine how pathetic you are irl.

Your opinion of me is of no concern.

You're wrong about Las Vegas if you think 500 people were shot.

https://streamable.com/ud7tv

Yeah dude, definitely a hoax. You're fucking disgusting.

Is it the video of the guy going crisis actor to crisis actor oddly asking for entrance and exit wound yet he finds none?? I've seen that!! The girl with the fake blood coming out of her mout almost looked real. I've got something for you to look up. (I don't click links in comments). Look up a google image search for "Boston Bombing Jeff and Carlos wheelchair". I won't call you names for being so gullible.

I love it. Proof of dead and dying.. you just call them actors.

There is no winning with your kind. Just keep moving that wall.

So how in your mind did the Boston bombing hoax play out? The marathon is a public event. How did the conspirators keep people from catching them setting up? Did they pay all the attendees off? Did Jeff Bauman have his legs amputated in a secret lab the day before the race so a team could dress him up in gore and zombie makeup and sneak him up a sewer grate under cover of a fake explosion? Or has he been without legs for years, and everyone who has ever known him or claimed to know him is in on the lie? Why bother with something so complex and risky? Did the government with all its resources really do a terrible job faking a massacre, or is it possible you just aren't actually all that familiar with extreme real-life violence and it doesn't look how you might have imagined?

You're the gullible one.

Watch Boston Unbombing it explains it in great detail. I know that you won't and that's why I don't respect your or shills opinions

Here come the people who act like the army moulage unit isn't a thing.

If nothing else, this serves as very credible (imo) proof that this was not staged as some would suggest. The raw atmosphere captured... it would be ludicrous to believe this was acting. Thank you for posting.

Feels > Reals, amirite?

Who needs physical evidence when we have raw atmosphere instead. lol

Nothing more to see here!!

There was another video that showed multiple dead bodies and wounded folks in the main shooting area. I forgot where it was, but it was just a terrible video.

I remember that. It's the one where the guy was filming himself stumbling through the crowd and he came across a girl. He pressed his hand on her chest and fresh blood came out of her mouth. It did not look faked at all. Its look and feel matches these videos here. I believe that video came from LiveLeak.

walking about and touching injured or corpses and nobody says fcuk off pervert.

This guy trolls

Link?

These were some of the best videos I've seen for being able to pause a clear view of the building during the shooting and see which internal lights are on....... It's still very hard to tell where 32 is though.

The bottom light of that column of 5 lights is the 34th floor.

Was he shooting with the lights off? I'm really surprised 2 broken out windows wouldn't show up visually in any sort of way at night.

Good post. Thanks

You cannot say without a doubt that is a fake photo. You can think it’s fake but you don’t know for sure. Where does it show it was taken at that event? Source?

No. It was someone else. Sorry about that.

Russell is nothing more than a philosopher, and this claim holds no weight in this argument.

Let me make this claim... you are a far pimply loser who has nothing to do but stir the shit. You sit in front of your computer all Dayana have nothing better to do. That’s my positive claim. Prove me wrong.

Yes because a real person with real injuries isn’t sufficient. Gtfo, can’t argue with someone who’s waved bye-bye to logic long ago.

Sorry that was meant for someone else looked like I accidentally replied in the wrong part haha

People who say any of these events are idiots in my book. False flags, maybe. Hoaxes, no. It’s just not worth the time and effort to pull off hoaxes of this sophistication. Killing people would be easier. Sad to say but it’s true and also totally obvious to anyone with half a brain.

The burden of proof is on the one who disagrees with me

No. It’s always on the original claim. The claim that a shooting happened. Prove that first.

Oh, you can’t? Never mind then.

I remember that. It's the one where the guy was filming himself stumbling through the crowd and he came across a girl. He pressed his hand on her chest and fresh blood came out of her mouth. It did not look faked at all. Its look and feel matches these videos here. I believe that video came from LiveLeak.

I think all the people trying to call it a hoax are disinfo shills trying to bring down the conspiracy theory community as a whole.

Huh?

I'm not a shill, like at all. I've looked into it lmao. But one would think if you had all these answers and everything figured out, you would share with those who doubt you. That's why ur phony. Once again I don't believe a single thing the media has said other than people died. I am a man of no party who just wants happiness and good place to live for his family. I believe in most conspiracies in this sub. So to call me a shill just isn't true, and furthers my point as to how dumb you are. Because rather than just show me why you think this, you call me names and have nothing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_mentality

Yes because a real person with real injuries isn’t sufficient. Gtfo, can’t argue with someone who’s waved bye-bye to logic long ago.

Yes because a real person with real injuries isn’t sufficient. Gtfo, can’t argue with someone who’s waved bye-bye to logic long ago.