The shills are making a pivot to LV, that's how desperate the Deep State had gotten?

It par for the course, but I'll tell you this, I just spend 3 days in Vegas and the amount of locals I spoke to who don't buy the story was remarkable. Probably spoke with 30+ people (uber drivers, locals at bars, at the tables) and all of them said their being lied to. I was surprised, I hadn't seen that kind of reaction to an event before. So don't sweet it, keep asking questions and point out flaws.

can confirm live in Vegas. I mean as soon as I heard on the police scanner and the disparity between body count they said and MSM I was already very skeptical in that moment. They might speak to my own skeptic insecurities, but I have to say there hasn't been a clarifying moment to tie this all together. Even knowing at least 3 people really died in front of my aunts eyes and I can't get myself to buy any of the story we are being fed.

What was the body count difference, scanner vs MSM? I hadn't heard this detail before.

At the time they said they had 20 (police code numbers I forget but when I looked up on twitter people translated to dead bodies)

While the MSM said possibly 2 people dead

I was on my way to pick up my aunt from the airport.. she works at UMC trauma center and had to go straight there. The next day she confirmed with me two people had died by the time she got there and she saw them both. Then she didn't disclose any more actual numbers but did say more people died. The weird thing is they are the number 1 trauma center out here so I was kind of expecting her body count to be higher there. I guess a lot of the people they don't try to save and are confirmed dead on sight

I remember the news saying they expected the 20 number to go up. They had only been able to confirm 2 kills at the time, then 20.

I find it odd that out of the hundreds wounded by gunfire that no one else died following surgery or complications over the next several days. The number stayed at 58 (or 59 seems both are out there.)

Very good point. I expected more deaths in the days that followed, as well. Very odd.

So that would suggest MSM was downplaying the amount of dead? I wonder why that would be.

https://vimeo.com/239343716

If one positive thing came from the Vegas shooting, it is that ordinary people are asking questions and they don't feel right with what they are being told!

Yes yy

in America you ask 30 people about anything, vast majority will say that an infinite god and his zombie child planned everything. the man on the street is an idiot

Can also confirm. Also live in Vegas. Don’t know 1 person that doesn’t think something is wrong with all of this.

Just curious, but when you say "wrong", can you provide more detail? As in, they think it was more than one shooter, etc. I think everyone knows there is something "wrong" with this in the sense that SP had a shady background, no motive, no videos, etc., etc.

Argh! These people need to speak out in numbers!

It’s the bullet crack we’re hearing, it’s not bullets coming from a different direction.

So far this has been the case for every second shooter video that bases that conclusion on the sound of the bullets.

It is true. You didn't actually watch the video you linked in full did you?

I have already given 1 very important example.

TIL: you need to make YouTube videos to be taken seriously.

So multiple shooters aside. Whats ur reasoning for timelinegate and no photo/video of paddock w guns shooting... at the very least youd show us a photo dont you think?

I think the police butchered the whole thing and are trying to cover it up so they don't look incompetent.

He assumes the shots are all coming from the same direction and going to the same location. It’s not a proper analysis, it basically assumes the event took place under controlled circumstances.

Get ready for a shill who will try and seem reasonable and tell you that men running around on roofs aren’t creepy or suspicious, and that there is no proof of anything, nothing to see, OP is crazy etc etc

You people are fucking idiots for not believing the official narrative(r). You probably live in your mothers' basement. etc etc

Why aren't they noticing how close the gun sounds in that video and that you can literally hear two guns firing at the same time?

You cannot hear 2 guns firing at the same time.

People keep making this claim over and over and over, citing just about every video we have, and it's wrong every time.

No it isnt. You can hear ricochet, you can hear echoes... you can hear multiple guns and different calibers.

The evidence is forensic and can be proven either way. Lets hope someone proves someone wrong.

Can we at least agree the gun that fires the first main burst is clearly not a bump stock ar15? It doesn't sound like an AR15, and the rate of fire is way off. First burst goes on for like 15-20 seconds, when AR15 full auto would clear a magazine in 2.5-4 seconds at best, a few more with a drum. Not enough of a pause for gun switch either.

These are inconsistencies with the "official story" or what? I'm not sure what sounds like what as I don't know the difference from an ar-15 to ux-43.

It's very wrong. It's painful how wilfully ignorant people are when they really want to believe something.

Your comment can go towards either side.

My thing is I've looked at everything everyone has out forward and I'm not buying the conspiracy angle. There is plenty of dirty Shit that out governments are up to but I don't think this is one of them.

So what do you make of the new timeline change? What about no video evidence to support Paddock shot anyone? What are you looking at to come to the conclusion that he did any of this?

It seems to me as though more facts are coming out. I wouldn't expect any video showing Paddock shooting people.

I think that the videos, photos and physical evidence point to Paddock being the shooter. What else was he doing in that room with all the guns he'd bought?

So let me get this straight... you have nothing? :)

I just said that the physical evidence is good for me. Much better than badly annotated YouTube videos and repeatedly-disproved theories.

You have zero physical evidence. We have "leaked" crime scene photos that show literally nothing.

It shows Stephen Paddock dead on the floor of a hotel room he booked surrounded by weapons he bought.

What's your evidence?

Who put him there? Who killed him? Is he really there? Where is the autopsy? .... Again, not a real investigation, no real evidence besides your purposefully leaked photos what may or may not be real.

'who put him in there' isn't a valid question. It's like when people say God doesn't exist and people say 'well who made the Earth?'. The answer is: nobody. He put himself there. He killed himself.

You can choose to disregard all of that evidence but you don't have anything which disproves or counters any of it. If you just dismiss all evidence hitch goes against your views out-of-hand then there's no debate is there?

It is a valid question, you don't know he shot any gun, nor do you know he killed himself.

That's what you been told, now be quiet and believe the official narrative.

Okay. And you not having ANY evidence to the contrary proves your point? I'm not pushing for a necessarily 'offical' narrative, but it makes WAY more sense than anything else I've seen.

Like I said, be quiet and believe the official narrative.

So anything 'official' should be disregarded?

If I told you I was official would you believe me?

You see, for me, it's not about just disregaridng something because it's 'official'. It's about what fits and makes sense. There is nothing I've seen which makes me think this i anything more than another American mass shooting tragedy.

Sounds good bro, sounds super official. I think you're on the right path brother. Keep fighting the good fight.

What physical evidence?

The room full of guns he bought. The hotel room he booked. The fact his dead body was in said room after he finished shooting.

What was he doing with all the weapons in the room? - He could have been selling weapons to members of ISIS on US soil, which the FBI knew about. So when ISIS catches wind that Paddock was an FBI informant, they plan the massacre and make him the patsy. It's been confirmed in the past that the FBI uses sting operations to make themselves look good. ISIS took credit for the attack, which doesn't mean they did it, but does indicate they were involved in some way.

Just curious (not trying to be a dick) why you think the videos, physical evidence and photos point to Paddock being the shooter? Nobody has seen any smoking gun so to speak. If there is video evidence that shows Paddock strapped with guns inside Mandalay, I would agree. But there's been nothing. You'd think the feds would be doing anything they can to reinforce the lone gunman theory, but they can't because there simply isn't any evidence of such. I think this is why they released the "child-porn" thing, they want people to think his family has mental illnesses, so it implicates him being crazy.

The videos show muzzle blasts on the 4th floor (cab video), which the SWAT team investigated - not the local police. Seems fishy since the police cleared the rest of Mandalay. Other videos from inside the concert sound like gunfire originating inside the concert area itself.

Physical evidence? What physical evidence?

The hotel scene photos look really odd too. Bullets on top of blood, inconsistent ear-lobes from genuine Paddock photos and the bloodied photo, bi-pod machine gun mysteriously cradling his lifeless body, etc. The team that stormed his room when interviewed mentioned his room looked more like a gun store than anything else. 23 guns in one room is a cartoonish amount of weaponry for one person. It doesn't make sense.

FBI uses sting operations to make themselves look good

Yeah, as in "conspiracy to commit" stings ran in way that look to gasp protect the public. As in a fake bomb or the classic agent as hit man for killing one's wife/husband etc. They don't put a real bomb in the want-a-be terrorist car, then let him drive off to some location, then send in one agent to arrest etc. There is no pay off risk to reward wise for doing that being conspiracy to commit charges are harsh, really harsh. People are doing life in prison for conspiracy charges.

Don't get me wrong, one could argue that law enforcement does wobble a bit when walking the line between entrapment and actions of a reasonable person. They will claim, correctly, that no amount of nudging will make a reasonable person just decide to get a bomb and blow something up. Yet I'm not sure leaning on a guy to do it for months base off an informant saying the person had those tendency is 100% ok either. It's a slippery slope.

Gun running line of thinking? There is no reason to have guns + ammo + buyer + seller all in the room for a conspiracy charge. Never mind it being legal guns. Bring ammo? You don't need an arms deal to buy ammo in the USA. It's at walmart, that's how little we care.

Plus law enforcement would stack tactical next door, not just let the guy have the run of the floor for days. Terrorist cell? Past attacks have been 100% clear "We did this, watch us do this!" in nature. They would of strapped up and walked down stairs and started shooting or blown up the room or something with days to prep. "Oh they did! There was other shooters all over Vegas!!". Errrrrrrrrrrr and yet zero proof of that, in anyway.

and in the end gen pop not having info is not the same as law enforcement not having the info. Law enforcement never want to share info on investigations unless it helps the investigation some how.

conspiracy wise? I think the big one is watching MGM try to cover it's own ass here. I'm thinking they screwed up some where. Maybe not technically illegal but more then enough to have court cases brought.

inconsistent ear-lobes

curled up ie rigor mortis.

Because the people in control pay lots of bots and shills to just confuse and deflect... youll know who they are once they ask for concrete evidence.... and show you zero evidence... and they "usually know someone" or "something" you or I wouldnt understand.... theyre fake.

What evidence do you have that anyone is being paid to say they know someone who died or was injured?

No one said anything about anyone getting paid, but what are your wages?

If they'll lie on TV and lie in the papers, do you think anything's stopping them from lying in here?

Agreed. Downvote numbers in those threads are crazy.

It seems wearing black is 100% NORMAL OK?!?!? and it's like a new basic right and needs to be fucking screamed in our faces. Well I think these comments are NOT normal . Shills.

I'm a normal dude who wears black shirts to concerts because most band t-shirts are black (or white).

There is ABSOLUTELY ZERO EVIDENCE that the person in black had a gun. All you have is a guy with too much time on his hands who saw someone dressed in black at a concert (NOT UNUSUAL) captured on video, who, like everyone else, was probably trying to get the fuck out of there.

The reason this video is being downvoted or countered is because it's stupid and alarmist. And this is coming from someone who doesn't believe anything the government (or media) says because I've learned it's naive to do so.

There are more important questions to be asked and answered than, "What is this person in black doing here?" The main one being: "How did all those weapons get carried up to that room without arousing suspicion?"

Rich people can do whatever the fuck they want in Hotels. This is one of those times that the hotel can get in real trouble for allowing it.

Do you think MGM is going to say they fucked up?

LVPD are like the cops in Beverly Hills Cop. They are there to serve the rich people's interest first and then common people's interest next.

Rich people can do whatever the fuck they want in Hotels

Very true. And a worker might have said the "luggage" was suspicious. And management probably told them to shut the hell up and do their job.

Hey man, I have no beef with you. Didn't know it was that sensitive an issue... wear all the black you want for as little reason you want.

(backs off to avoid further escalation n being ganged up)

Not sensitive. Just stating facts.

Uh oh, I am, in fact, wearing a black shirt today. Watch out!

You’re a “normal dude” (your words, lol) wearing “black shirts” (uuuh this is about black full body suit wearing) casually defending wearing black (shirts! lol...), casually writing a small, long(ish) comment, sounding just a liiitle angry (sorr for noticing!) defending how normal everything is and.. defending black clothing at concerts... But we are being alarmist.

Nothing strange here.

Wow, way to read something into nothing. But this is r/conspiracy, so I'm not surprised.

You should go to a concert sometime and check out the t-shirt selection...or just get out of the basement for that matter. Have a normal day. :D

What are you doing here then? Not being hostile, just curious...

What are you doing here then?

You know why, to belittle people and to feel superior.

I come here to see other point of views on this shit. I also post my thoughts and opinions discuss this.

Uh oh...wrong account?

nah. just showing that people with other POV's and who don't necessarily believe in conspiracy theories can still come here and post.

Ah you're cointelpro, i understand.

Ahh yes because I don't subscribe to your line thought, I'm counter intelligence. That'd make you counter Intel to me then...so we can't both be right.

Not really, i just looked at your profile and noticed you comment about "how easy it would be to 'disappear' someone".

I'm glad you think that highly of me. It would be easier to get rid of him that way than setting him for cp, going through the court system, etc. Etc.

umfum is a paid shill for Big Shirt

Your writing style is the strangest thing in this thread yet.

It looked like the person had a black ski mask on too. Do you wear those to concerts too? lol

Only outdoors. :D

The main one being: "How did all those weapons get carried up to that room without arousing suspicion?"

The answer is simple -- most people don't give a fuck about other people and their stuff when they are concentrating on having a good time, which is what a vacation to Vegas is for most people.

This is the question that the MSM focuses on because real journalism is too hard for the paid teleprompter readers who "deliver" the news.

Yes h numb b,

Boogeyman enhanced

Does anyone else think hes holding something the way his arms are bent? I know it's a dog shit picture but the shape is kinda there

What video are you referring to that came out last night?

I absolutely fail to believe that TWO PEOPLE firing into a crowd of 22,000, one of them from a perched position with a machine gun, and one of them on or near ground level with ANY GUN were only able to kill 58 people.

There’s just no way.

Um... this thread is getting ‘out there’ and shills are trying to desperately control it. This new LV/black wearing/rooftop shooter discovery is becoming critical evidence and they know it.

NOTE Help and take screenshots of this entire thread (after expanding collapsed sections) at regular intervals as proof.

Shills smell like old cheese up in here..

Link to video?

Why???? Ask yourself how many of them might be: part of the cover-up, trolls, or working for a person or a group who wants to attempt to shame people into silence. The responses, themselves, are almost like psy ops!

I can't really address the whole topic here, but I will provide my perspective, because I'm basically one of the people in that video thread who called out bullshit.

From my point of view, it's pretty obvious that the context is driving the perception of the evidence, not the other way around. Yes, there is a guy on top of that "trailer", but that's all we know. We don't even know what that trailer is, or if it is even a trailer. The guy gets up from a prone position, in line with everybody else's pattern of taking cover while shots are going off and running when they aren't. You can see no firearm on the suspect, you can also hear absolutely zero indication that gunfire comes from his direction after the spotting. In fact the audio suggests the opposite.

Here is what bugs me: like, three comments into the thread and some people have already began to believe what we're seeing to be evidence, when in reality the context was provided for them and they are just running with it. There are actually narcissistic people participting in the analysis of the LV mass murder who don't want the truth, they just want to be credited for some sort of discovery. That's exactly the type of person who I believe put out this video, and to watch people gobble it up is frustrating for me. What do you think outsiders will think when they come here and see shit like that? They will think we're all but jobs who don't have the right answers, and more importantly don't have the right questions.

And so as a result I raise my voice and call bullshit, because topic aside, the delivery and execution of that piece of content reeks of self propagating bullshit. That video is a grasp at straws in the hopes of developing or maintaining some form of relevance for its creator. It's not about helping people learn the truth.

Just my 2c.