Correct. There was no old news about the Mueller/Obama FBI having an open investigation. This is completely new

They must have decided that there was no intent to break any laws.

I didn’t intend to blow coke up that strippers ass with a $5 bill. I intended to use a $20 bill

Did you read the story? Charges were filed and people went to prison.

I am sure a few were selected to take the fall, but the people at the top have not been charged. Yet.

Which basically puts it on par with all corporate wrongdoing in the history of forever.

Yes, it was mentioned in the Podesta emails about a year ago, I believe.

Only the Uranium deal was, not the pay to play investigation, or rather, matter

I don’t get why people in here believe there are good guys in the FBI. The FBI have been behind every major scandal, attack, assassination, bombing and terrorist attack in this country.

I have heard there are some decent FBI agents. They need to leak more information.

in the future, it might be more readable to take out the parts about yourself and “we” (subjective) and present the objective story. for example, knowing you are annoyed only distracts from the presentation

Here is what you do to combat bad news.

When it is unproven, you call it a conspiracy theory and ask for evidence. When it is proven, you say that we already knew that and it doesn't matter now.

Use this for every scandal.

Or just lie and say it's been "debunked" (my, how they love that word). Even as the facts and evidence sit there in front of them.

So let me try to understand this. So suddenly people around here think Russia is corrupt and the FBI is trustworthy and we shouldn't be working with Russia? This kind of contradicts everything so many people have been arguing around here. So we should trust the FBI. Obama wasn't telling the FBI who and what to investigate. And Russia is super corrupt. We can all agree on that stuff at this pointm

This is the problem when you spin and twist your views around so much that I'm not sure people know what they stand for. As long as Trump tells them what is best and Hillary and Obama are being investigated, all is good for the GOP.

I hate that it is an anonymous source, because it's technically no more evidence in all the other daily Russia articles. Seems like the investigation was over, maybe release the documents? I highly doubt that happens though.

It's only confusing when you try to force everything into black/white boxes.

If that's what you're into you may have a rough time here.

It said the investigation began "as early as 2009," and the article complains that charges were filed in 2014 rather than in 2010.

I've basically been explaining this in detail until I am blue in the keyboard.

Look at this image:

https://i.imgur.com/TZrYgtb.png

It is the proof that started this avalanche of evidence. Hwne the Panama Papers were released, it proved Troika Dialog is a Russian front.

https://soprweb.senate.gov/index.cfm?event=getFilingDetails&filingID=8a5bd4fb-2687-4cdf-9906-0a65f4d8d52b&filingTypeID=1

That is proof John Podesta works for Russia. It is an LD 1 disclosure form. It shows he is getting paid by Troika Dialog.

Big picture, this means that the entire DNC is being kept in power by the Russians with Russian money.

But, it gets worse than that. Ruben Vardanyan has a lot of such companies, like Joule Unlimited that claimed to be able to produce clean energy from cyanobacteria... but was really just a Russian front to pay into the Clinton Foundation.

I've been trying to get people to listen for ages. The Clinton Foundation is a CIA front that runs pay for play and forensic interruption to keep it's clients out of jail. Not only that, the CIA has co-opted resources in Russian energy.

Russia isn't our enemy, they are our bitch and they have to pay into our protection racket. Meanwhile, the news is in the pocket of our intelligence community and it isn't meant to inform you, it is used as a tool of policy change where it 1) is always gradually asserting authoritarianism and 2) always hiding the activities of the intelligence community.

The evidence is everywhere, but the bare bones are as follows.

Podesta also received 100,000 shares from Joule, over 4 years.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4635

(Here is Podesta's tax attorney: http://www.steptoe.com/professionals-John_Cobb.html )

http://joule-unlimited.com/about/board

That is the board at Joule. All Russian CEOs, including Sberbank, Troika Dialog, Rusnano and Rosatom.

They all worked together to make the Uranium One deal happen.

But, it gets worse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eO8ZHfV4fk

Chaika is exposed in this documentary that is banned in Russia.

Yuri Chaika was in put in power by Medvedev, but he indicates to an intelligence analyst that Sergei Ivanov is calling the shots.

https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/54/5410884_re-insight-russia-head-of-major-criminal-group-arrested.html

Chaika said he has already been under a lot of heat because of the Politkovskaya arrests. He said that he would rather not tell me about the "Chechen mastermind" they arrested. I asked if this was because he was not really a mastermind and Chaika said that "many things needed to be tied up as we head into this election and the end of Putin's reign." [I know this is strange, but he kept saying things like, "Ivanov needs to have control over the situation he's about to enter into.... Ivanov is known for his distance from such situations, so they need to be wrapped up."]

What is crazy, is that even organized crime won't go near energy assets, which is a playground that Podesta, Hillary and the DNC have no problem playing in. That is a really interesting point... that they scare the Russian mob.

Either way, these people at the top of Russian politics are very often cooperating with our own intelligence assets. Here is a list:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OVvquE_0SIXo1NLgJmFr7gjUbDFNjUG2YzdHZxPFyzU/edit?usp=sharing

During the course of the Uranium One scandal, Gazprom was also acquiring extraction rights and expanding with more locations and resources.

https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/55/5500400_re-t-weekly-next-week-.html

the company builds pipelines around the world and Gazprom wanted the the company, so the owner of the company ended up with his shoulders broken and stuffed into a pipeline. Then they turned on the nat gas and he suffocated while his limbs flew off in the 50 mph nat gas flow.....

The Russians seem pretty great at compartmentalizing, but all these paths seem to course through Dmitry Medvedev.

I am confident that a decent group of investigators can tie all this up, now that the Chaika scandal has been exposed. It is just a matter of tracing the web.

Meanwhile, the news in the US doesn't actually educate people on how Russian corruption works because that would elucidate ties to our own government.

Holy hell I see why you're blue in the KBD. Here's an upvote for the good guys

You misspelled KGB.

If you want to have fun with misattributing acronyms, can you KFO? Kindly fuck off

Sorry I just think it's hilarious how quick this sub gobbles up russian disinfo even after they've been so thoroughly exposed.

Can you go get paid elsewhere, thanks

Oh man thanks for refuting his mountains of evidence with your own carefully crafted arguments. (Wipes sweat off forehead). If it wasnt for you, i might actually have believed his hard work and clear understanding of the subject!!!

Only thing I can see is that they probably played "both sides" of America. Keywords: probably, both.

diiiiiiick

King Black Dragons all day

Excellent work sir! This should be a sticky post. For most people, this story is going to go in one ear and out the other. Instant dismissal. “This is old news! So what!! Look what Trump is doing!!!” Fucking frustrating that so many people are dead asleep at the wheel.

People need to start a new type of independent online media where they crowd source posts like this on the internet and cross reference the facts into breaking news stories with all the details. If it caught on, mainstream media would be FORCED to post these stories or become extinct. Thank you for the brilliant writeup.

There would always be ways to fuck it up and boys to ruin it. It's never that simple.

It would be one more step in the right direction though.

Sounds a lot like /pol/ without all the spam.

I actually know somebody trying to put something exactly like that together. Know any investors?

Me.

I don't know if bitchute.com is jewed, but it seems like a viable option, maybe there are others.

I actually know somebody trying to put something exactly like that together. Know any investors?

handful of new info, but had been following the same-ish trail.

Clinton was dirty from the damn start, it why she is so quick to accuse other people of what shes been doing all along.

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I could believe quite a bit of this if it didn't seem so one sided and to be leaving out some very large chunks, I find it difficult to believe there aren't multi players from both the left and right especially going back to the bush years but this rundown seems aimed at one side very particularly. If you are talking about ATF, DEA, FBI these groups are inherently very right leaning and if they were given reign then others would know.

Well the Clinton and Bush crime family are one in the same no?

Of course it doesn't involve one side. It's just that we have proof of what one side is up to.

Both sides make promises. One promises less government and less taxes, while the other side promotes social justice and monetary aid. Both sides of the same coin.

As it stands, the hard evidence we have to work with is very one-sided... until you start counting the pedophiles in politics. Seemingly, they are the easiest to compromise, so make useful tools.

Anyone who subscribes to "right" or "left" is just being tricked by the false promise. Both sides are surreptitiously selling you creeping authoritarianism.

Legendary post.

How do you go from Podesta lobbying for a Russian bank to "the entire DNC is being kept in power by the Russians with Russian money"?

That's quite a leap.

Not really. That was just one microcosm.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

They are cycling all this money through NGO's with political agendas. Comet Ping Pong and the other businesses owned by Alefantis were given to him by the Saudis.

There is a lot more to the money exchanging hands and assets, but the easiest hard core incontrovertible evidence starts with Podesta and spirals out from there.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5xqrsi/soros_connection_to_comet_ping_pong/

Alefantis is laundering this money through a variety of non-profits with Maya Harris, sister of Kamala Harris, who has ties to secret Masonic police who die as soon as they are exposed.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-aide-harris-accused-rogue-police-force-20150505-story.html

What I posted is just the tip of the iceberg.

The Clinton Foundation has a whole bunch of donors from all over the place. I'll concede that some of it is probably pay to play, but i don't know why the donations from Russia suggest the entire DNC is kept in power by Russia.

Why do donations from elsewhere not suggest they are the ones keeping the DNC in power? Why dont donations to Trump and the RNC lead you to the same conclusion?

We have Podesta working for a Russian bank, and Russia being one of the many donors to the Clinton Foundation. That just seems extremely flimsy to support your conclusion.

The level of involvement is what is important.

Yes, the Podesta Group is involved with a number of entitites... this highlights the epitome of "Pay to Play" where anyone willing to pay an influential lobbyist has a greater voice than the American people. It's a bad problem that circumvents the spirit of the Constitution and democracy, in general.

But, what we have is John Podesta, himself, privately receiving money and laundering it through his daughter's company, Leonidas LLC. When Mueller's subpoenas hit the Podesta Group, they updated their disclosures further. This means that they only admit to what has already been proven by other evidence. They aren't admitting to anything they haven't been caught red-handed doing.

But yes, you are right... people and entities on that list, like Saudi Arabia, are funding, in small pieces at a time, the DNC through "fundraisers" like at Comet Ping Pong. We know Comet Ping Pong, for a fact, is doing this, so that is why I bring up the example... Soros and Saudi money are going through there, along with Pegasus, Transformer, and other businesses.

But, this goes on to involve a myriad of liquor store operations. They are breaking down large sums of money through places like "Goat Hill Pizza" on Connecticut Ave, a front for Nancy Pelosi.

You're right. It isn't just Russia, it's just that the microscope pointed at this one microcosm and revealed a pattern that is much scarier and larger than the myopic view we currently have.

Yes, it is both parties. Yes, the media is involved. Yes, there are double and triple agents on all sides. Modern espionage a a giant mind f*** because they really want to keep everyone guessing.

But this is where we have to start. John Podesta, blackmail/bribery circles, CIA drug and gun trafficking, the mining industry connections, the forced labour and it's source.

It isn't just them, though, and this isn't a new thing. Reagan was the front for the American Security Council Foundation, whose motto was "Peace Through Strength" and they, essentially, lobbied and bullied ans psy op'd their way into controlling natural resources in poor countries that were easy targets.

If you look into the Bush NGO's, then you see a continuation of this type of behavior.

The Clintons are just another in a long line of puppets by people controlling the natural resources. This is why sides don't matter. There is a playbook to compromising people to control them.

How hard would it be for the Deep State to control you, if they wanted to?

I just feel like you might be somewhat distracted by "sides", but this is the best evidence we have of how US government corruption works and how to recognize it, elsewhere. It's time to follow this trail of evidence to everywhere it leads.

This was a fair response. I still don't see the significance in Russia in all of this, but i do agree that lobbying and pay to pay are a huge problem. This is why i support some kind of campaign finance reform to reduce the power of lobbying.

I do believe we are currently going in the wrong direction in fighting this. Before Trump the President had to divest in any of their businesses. That's gone. We have a multi headed monster that is growing more heads faster than we can cut them off. Ultimately the root of the problem is the public. The public has to want campaign reform, but half the country doesnt.

You're right. Russia, is, ultimately, insignificant. We beat them. The wall came down and now they have to pay into human history's greatest racketeering organization.

We just have evidence that shows how this organization works. Russia is merely a tentacle. But, for the public, knowing how Russian corruption interacts with US corruption, they can begin to understand how that same relationship works with every other country.

The public is the problem in that they have been successfully subverted in their minds. A result of propaganda.

The public can protect itself against these powers by being staunchly anti-war and staunchly pro-transparency.

Somehow I arrived at those two planks (anti-war, pro-transparency) independently, or by providence, as they seemed the two things I could passionately convince people of.

TL;DR?

The media is in on government corruption, which consists of a rogue intelligence state that is the "new face" of organized crime.

Republicans good. Democrats bad.

Any slight tie between Podesta and Russia means that Russia is totally supporting the DNC. Tons of ties between Trump and Russia is proof of nothing and fake news.

The rest is just a gish gallop.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the way I've interpreted this story is that the FBI investigation ended in 2009, prior to the uranium deal and it was kept from Congress and the public. So no, it didn't take this long for it to end... it just took this long to come out.

According to The Hill article, the investigation began in 2009 and ended in 2015.

The Mikerin probe began in 2009 when Robert Mueller, now the special counsel in charge of the Trump case, was still FBI director. And it ended in late 2015 under the direction of then-FBI Director James Comey, whom Trump fired earlier this year.

Also,

Also, I'm not denying that there wasn't some kind of collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign but I find it highly unlikely that as a non-political actor, he would have been able to achieve anything close to this level of corruption.

The corruption and kickbacks where to a Truck company. The deal was a no-bid contract where the company paid the Trucking company extra and got kickbacks in return. Both parties profited and the Trucking firm was not a political player(at least nothing in the article stated any political ties). Wouldn't this be affirmation that you don't need to be political in order to collude with Russian officials.

Don't forget that the millions of dollars to the Clinton Foundation that The Hill article implies, but then later states went to some other organization that happens to do some work for the Clinton Foundation.

If people just went with the implication I'd be fine. However, half the posts in this sub don't even conform with the source material they are citing.

Don't forget that the millions of dollars to the Clinton Foundation that The Hill article implies

This was all known during the campaign though. It's exactly why Trump made such a big deal about it.

Shills man. Damage control and useful idiots. Both sides have them. They are out in force these days.

we knew it was true, we just didn't have the details published yet.

THIS, this is why Clinton did not get elected.

New news can still be boring as fuck

This is literaly no where else to be found on any type of social media. Fuck. Vegas is just a "that was a tragedy" when I ask people what they think and then I mention this and they have no idea... Fucking A Ignorance is bliss

This topic has had a 7900% increase in activity from accounts related to Russian influence campaign.

http://dashboard.securingdemocracy.org

Spamming a link straight from Podesta's twitter on a conspiracy sub...

Bold

Snopes getting it right again! https://i.imgur.com/NAjBOHy.jpg

Total shitshow of a site.

You realize that this story doesn’t disprove that right?

You realize that's what the article is used for? Pedantics don't matter if that's the article that's used to say nothing nefarious went down during the Russian uranium deal. Most Americans are too stupid to both read this snopes and the hill article and realize that the snopes and other article are speaking beside each other. They see it's as either one or the other. And the fact that there was bribing and the Clinton foundation did profit illegally, means that article should be taken down either way.

And the fact that there was bribing and the Clinton foundation did profit illegally, means that article should be taken down either way.

Except that isn’t true.

Which you know if you slowed down for a minute and tried critical thinking.

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Holy shit, another on and this dudes karma is off the charts. Nice.

Oooh, he’s calling me a shill!

So edgy and original!

And now he's doing that dumb sarcastic comment you see one every sub. Nothin substantive, just some dumb silly remark that makes you feel stupid for thinking something. Damn near gas lighting.

You’re the one who decided a “substantive” comment was calling me a shill. Well, except you’re too much of a wuss to just say it so you thought you’d be “clever”.

Sad! 😂

The substantive comment was your account age and your absolute denial of what went from speculation, to now fact. There have been several documentaries on the uranium deal and shit donations to the Clinton foundation. The hill article nails the lid in the coffin.

Yet your just like, "nope didn't happen. Fake news." You sound just like trump, ironically.

Oh, when you accused me of being a shill? That’s what you consider “substantive”? Mmmkay pumpkin.

The money never made it to the Clintons because it would be illegal to use foundation funds for their personal use.

Also, there were several Bureaus that had to sign off on the deal which means it wasn’t even in her control if the deal went through.

So, go back to your emotional outbursts and your pathetic attempts to call me a shill (except you’re too much of a bitch to just say it). Leave the actual facts to other people, sweetheart.

Now run along 😘

I did not say you were a shill. I said you are a two week old account and your extremely belligerent. Or at least I'm editing my last statement in so much and now I'm calling you belligerent.

Do they not own the foundation? Is that not their foundation. They could pay them selves 20 million dollars salary next year or give them selves a hefty bonus like any other business. It's their money, they decide what to do with it. Saying it went to a charity is the same as saying it went into their own pockets.

The Secretary of State makes arms deals go through. That's their job. But suddenly they aren't responsible for mineral sales?

You are being hard headed and belligerent. You are bating me and I'm not biting. If you were a shill, not my words, then keep doing your job. You wouldn't be fooling anyone in this sub. If your not a shill and your just that into partisan politics. I suggest posting some question to help you figure out your way through the joke of a system.

Now run along? Again you are instigating. And I'm not biting.

I did not say you were a shill.

Because you don’t have the balls to actually say it. Pretty pathetic.

Do they not own the foundation? Is that not their foundation.

I can tell someone has never taken business courses. Do you understand how charity foundations work? That’s a rhetorical question, it’s clear you don’t. That money doesn’t go to the Clintons and in fact they’d be in trouble if they were using it for themselves. See

The Secretary of State makes arms deals go through. That's their job. But suddenly they aren't responsible for mineral sales?

So you don’t understand civics either. 7 other bureaus and agencies had to sign off on the deal. Yet you’re implying she alone was responsible for all of it.

You are being hard headed and belligerent. You are bating me and I'm not biting.

TIL posting facts is “baiting”. Mmkay. Let’s see, I said it wasn’t true and since then I’ve said exactly why. Man, facts are so mean!

As I said, run along now. I’ll give you some advice: research before posting. It helps.

Look at you.

Belligerent as ever. Don't have the "balls". That's what you said. That's not a fact. That's belligerence.

I can't just accept your ignorance in the beginning. You need to learn to speak better to have more meaningful discourse. Any person who chooses to continue a conversation with you after than has no self respect.

Notice how you’ve had to resort to a feigned attempt at virtue signaling since I called you out on your bullshit. Remember that time you tried to claim I was wrong and then you had to pretend that didn’t happen in your next reply? Good times. You’re really struggling here today aren’t ya kid.

I’ll repeat my advice: do research before posting next time. They teach you that in college 👍

Here you go again. You are still calling names and now your assuming who I am over the internet.

You can't correct your self can you? I'm calling you out for the shit attitude. Apologize and fix it. Not keep going.

First off let’s remember: “Any person who chooses to continue a conversation with you after than has no self respect.”

That explains a lot haha.

And also, are emotional outbursts your only response to me calling you out on you not understanding business or civics? Oh honey, that isn’t going to work well. If you don’t want questions then go to a safe space.

I suggest when you get to college take a critical thinking course. It’ll help you build solid arguments in the future. I really enjoyed it.

I changed the conversation, ending the point you made. Focusing on your inability to have a normal conversation.

There you go again attacking a person for their in life qualities over the internet. That's something you cannot do. You don't know me. You don't know my education. You don't know where I live. You don't know who I associate with. You don't know anything.

You don't feel stupid making assumptions when you have absolutely no inclination about me what so ever.

I have given you no way to guess my age or education history. So your not ashamed at pretending to be so damn smart but then making such a silly guess?

“Any person who chooses to continue a conversation with you after than has no self respect.”

Still having a laugh about that as you keep posting. And you’ve said you were done twice but your ego can’t let it go. Funny.

Oh, and that this is at least 3 times you’ve ignored how I proved you don’t understand business or civics.

And lastly, it wasn’t a guess. It’s pretty easy to tell. 👍

Everyone can see what's going on. Your continuation of whatever it is your doing is on display for everyone on Reddit.

Serious question: Do you have some sort of undiagnosed mental illness?

Another one.

The problem OP is you seem to think this somehow absolves Trump. Its actual more evidence Russia has been doing this giving credibility that they would do it with him too. If you think its just one side taking the money your delusional.

So you admit Trump did it too?

No problem on the delay. So if Trump did it too why aren't you worried about the sitting President colluding with Russia than some dumb bitch that will never have real power in her life again? You should be rooting for Mueller to finally do his job right and get this scumbag Trump.

So you can't admit he did just like I thought.

Where is the evidence?

You obviously haven't been paying attention. Hes been money laundering for the Russians for years. His casino got fined for not following anti money laundering rules with Russians as the beneficiaries. He's been selling condos to do the same thing.

Source?

There was plenty of buzz about these specific allegations back in 2015

This whole thing smells like a distraction

Because that's exactly what it is.

Definitely man, trump is likely a pedo

Check back on the weekend and we will seek

Yes, we knew they were involved in the sale of uranium but the kickbacks & other corruption is NEW & still developing.

None of the kickbacks have been linked to the Obama administration though.

The only potential wrong doing is allowing the sale to go through despite there be an active investigation into the bribery of a single trucking company.

Awesome, so when do the arrest start? After all, Trump is the "law and order" candidate, right?

The corruption and kickbacks have been publicly known since 2014 . This is just the time the media has connected it to the uranium deal, though.

They must have decided that there was no intent to break any laws.

I didn’t intend to blow coke up that strippers ass with a $5 bill. I intended to use a $20 bill

Did you read the story? Charges were filed and people went to prison.

I am sure a few were selected to take the fall, but the people at the top have not been charged. Yet.

Somehow I arrived at those two planks (anti-war, pro-transparency) independently, or by providence, as they seemed the two things I could passionately convince people of.

Everyone can see what's going on. Your continuation of whatever it is your doing is on display for everyone on Reddit.

Serious question: Do you have some sort of undiagnosed mental illness?