That's the cornerstone of the conspiracy community. You take all of the things we know are true, and then extrapolate from there. The problem is that most people haven't been exposed to this information, including a lot of conspiracy theorists. That is why I think a lot of people are able to be misdirected and distracted so easily with nonsense theories that go nowhere.
Since this comment seems to be winning at the moment, it might help if you're more specific.
The list of confirmed conspiracies is already discussed here frequently...I'm concerned that such a broad and open-ended topic won't be appropriate for a round table, which is meant to focus our energy on a couple specific topics.
You take all of the things we know are true, and then extrapolate from there.
Again, this is a tall order, and would require much more than a round table that gets stickied for a few days.
Any chance you can suggest one or two topics to focus on other than the vague notion of "proven conspiracies"?
Don't get me wrong, I think it's a great idea (hence why we have a list of proven conspiracies), but I do believe it's in our best interest to focus on a few at a time, instead of trying to tackle everything at once, which can be a turn off for neophyte conspiracists.
It seems that the most popular topic there is medical conspiracies. Human experimentation without consent, industry or government-influenced science, and bribed doctors who prescribe unnecessary medications to children. That should be quite an eye opener for people to see that this is going on and has been going on for over 50 years.
"I can't tell you exactly what percentage of the trials are flawed, but I think the problem is far bigger than you imagine, and getting worse...it is so easy to manipulate data, conceal it or fabricate it...there is almost a code of silence not to speak about it." -
Whistleblower Dr. Peter Wilmshurst
There are a few options here. For instance, fraudulent scientific practices, unethical behavior by doctors and pharmaceutical corporations, etc. The topic of "MKULTRA" is only one tiny slice in the pie. Unfortunately, it seems that MKULTRA is the only thing many people know about human experimentation. An overview could be a lot more informative. We could easily ignore the topic of MKULTRA altogether and still have a massive discussion on human experimentation.
We should self t a few topics for proven conspiracies like environmental contaminations and habitat destruction with an emphasis on regional development and industry. But we would need to generate a few lists of topics to hit of importance and decide which are the most damaging throughout history and currently.
The focus being using the round table as a toolbar building effort along with community direction on civility. The outside influences when we conduct ourselves in public will always have a noise to signal ratio.
Documentation should be more of a focus, and I guess i'll lurk more and take part in these, but we've lost a lot of community members due to reddits noise to signal ratio being for optics on topics. This is unavoidable, but disheartening.
The round table is however already accomplishing these ends through our public discourse and cloud documentation. We just need to go through the best of each round table and update the list of proven conspiracies with the shiny things they provide.
As a lurker, i'm already doing that. You've also gathered your own stats over the years. Really, we just need to present the round table as a staple of the community and use it to build. The optics of the place along with reddits ever present noise to signal ratio will always be problematic, but that's unavoidable.
I personally wouldn't mind helping with the round table in the way of documenting them since i'm already doing that. All we really need to do is figure out a list of topics and keep building that to select from so we can increase the quality of our efforts. Organize a bit more.
If we wish to speak about proven conspiracies, I highly recommend the first documented civilization on earth, the Sumerians. They invented the wheel, mathematics, masonry, the calendar, government, and much much more; despite all these discoveries they are left out of almost all history books and credit is given to the Greeks, Babylonians, Egyptians or Romans (when they just inherited the technology). I could write essays about them, from their worship of the Anunaki, to their kings list (including kings prior to the great flood ruling for over 10,000+ years each). An interesting coincidence is their location, so far we've found Sumerian artifacts in: Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Syria and Saudi Arabia - all of which have been plagued with chaos and war both currently and historically (possibly more so than any other region in the world). Is it possible that the turmoil in the middle east is meant to destroy evidence and prevent researchers from uncovering our true roots?
I'm particularly interested in the theories that the Anunaki are aliens from Saturn/different solar system. Some believe that they were the ones who created us by combining their DNA with that of homeosapians when they arrived on earth.
We could also get back on topic. Sumerians, aliens, Saturn, and annunaki have nothing to do with my post. I'm sure someone else will come in here and try talking about flat earth as well. We should discuss the actual conspiracies that I have cited.
Mostly archaeologists and scholars have pieced the history together. According to
wiki
they developed the first writing system around 3300BC, with earliest Sumerian literary texts showing up around 2700BC, though the civilization itself is thought to be founded as early as 6500BC.
We already know it's happening but if we could get one thread where we list historic examples, direct quotes, current trends, etc. this could help educate other people to and not fall for their examples. Could be big in helping people to love each other again.
This is important, especially today. I'm sick of seeing people talk about their party like it's any different from the other one. While we argue, the government can get away with anything. It's a dangerous thing.
This. The structure of control, relation to other intel agencies (mossad, ect... jesuits..), and what they are doing right now. Lets figure this shit out.
Love Dane and all the work he's done with geoengineering watch. This presentation is fantastic. He did a big presentation about a year ago if memory serves, pretty much the same topics but didn't go into as much detail. Still excellent though.
How about the relationship between Ruby Ridge, the Waco Branch Divideans, and Timothy McVeigh's bombing of the first World Trade Center? That's a fun story
We need to do cloning. I believe this is the keystones conspiracy. Best part is the evidence we can collect on it. (Im not talking clone replacement theory youtube vids)
An
Executive Order signed in March of 2009.
This EO was to repeal
a previous EO by President George W. Bush
banning stem cell research outright.
President Obama does indeed say "and we will insure that our government never opens the door to the use of cloning for human reproduction. It is dangerous, profoundly wrong, and has no place in our society or any society." (He says it
at about 4 minutes, 30 seconds into this video
.)
It seems that there was a fear of cloning that exploded after Dolly the Sheep was successfully cloned and publicized. I think people heard stem cell cloning back around the time President George W. Bush signed the original order and assumed that cloning stem cells could somehow lead to human clones--which is why President Obama later mentioned it at the signing.
People forget that we've been cloning cells since the 50s when
Henrietta Lacks' cells were cloned
. In fact, her cells were the first successfully cloned human cells. You know how they like to be 20-30 years
ahead
of modern technology. How is this not yet a confirmed conspiracy?
I would love to hear more about this, I don't get think it gets talked about enough. I have heard of secret underground cloning facilities as well as possible android-like robotoids that exist. There seems to be a dearth of information on the subject and I think if it was a round table topic we could maybe shed some light on it.
Out of Body Experience, transcendental meditation, psychedelics, non-physical realities, astral travel, lucid dreaming and other esoteric techniques of this vessel.
Authors and videos to watch and discus:
Tom Campbell (author of My Big T.O.E. 'Theory of Everything") who uses no psychedelics to achieve out of body states and visits these realms. In specific, this part of this video shows a crude map of the places he's seen:
https://youtu.be/y7-ZYAMFucc?t=3m14s
He claims to have visited 20-30 PMR (physical-matter realities outside of "Our System") and a dozen or so NPMR (non-physical-matter realities). It's all very intriguing and I appreciate how he stays 'psychedelic-free' to further his research and present it to the mainstream.
He visited the Monroe Institute (famed for coining the term Out of Body) a long time ago, and through transcendental meditation achieves these goals. He claims he dreams with his son and carries out conversations with all manner of sentience.
There are many other authors with many other thoughts on this.
For example Graham Hancock and specifically, his book Supernatural. He discusses how humans throughout history have taken psychedelics (for many purposes) and that other planes have co-existed along side ours. He states in the book that there is another (or several) races evolving with ours in their realm. He claims they were once the elves/fairies, who now have become the greys etc. Regardless of his conclusions, the book has nice facts about psychedelics, their use, shamanism and other realms.
Another example is Terence McKenna and all he has to offer in regards to other states of mind, and other places of existence. Realms of indirect lighting, geometric domes, self-transforming machine-elves with no faces who are making objects by singing them into being.
https://youtu.be/Eqn5FKISlTw
Other topics to discuss within this field are personal experiences through meditation or talks about DMT, psilocybin and other psychedelics. I could share (they are easily available for anyone to search) an extremely easy tek for making DMT crystals. A 10 minute trip to dissolve all that you know.
I'm suggesting a topic along these lines because it empowers us as individuals. Focusing on the self and transforming our selves from within is most important in these times.
How the fuck did we go from the American Civil War with muskets, calvary and steam powered ironclads to dropping atomic bombs on Japan TWICE(((if nukes are real))) in the span of 80 years?
Unregulated mega-monopolies with no regard for human life pouring vast sums into a fully capitalist system so they could be the first to invent something new and revolutionary and form yet another mega-monopoly around it.
And how did we get from there to here? Transistors, basically.
Life and Death: Who are we - why are we here, and what happens when we are not?
A Conspiracy of evolution, religion, and philosophy as explanations for that greatest of all things: existence itself.
This would be a great topic because it could pull in many ideas and theories about this subject. Many here would like to discuss and share on this topic, without having their thread downvoted etc - I am sure the sticky and round table would be appreciated, interesting, and participated in by a diverse crowd of ideas.
I think the CIA topic is critically important, as well as the influence of Rome/Vatican/Jesuits. But what really should be done is try to peice the WHOLE picture together. Who takes orders from who, how many primary factions there are, and who the MAIN source(s?) are.
Basically: who are are the biggest enemies of our species, and how are they operating? AND: what can we do about it? Or at the very least, how can we mitigate what is coming as much as possible? Nothing is more important than this.
I was rude, I want you to see how you were being rude. Implying that anyone wanting a society designed for the prosperity of everyone is ignorant is absurd and insulting. As if we have the choice between ruthless tyrants and incompetent fools. Is that how you really think?
There will be no such thing. Not that I don't have hope but implying that any sort of change can come from a subreddit it's unlikely. Especially when they control our communication over it. All hail the King in Yellow.
If this sub-reddit just manage to inspire 1 strong willed individual that individual can cause massive change whether by spreading information or taking physical action. Your mindset is a weak one just like most sheep.
Just as you have supposed a will of conforming for me you have become the sheep as you see the failure of your voice to be a thread in a brittle garment masking an idividualistic view. Blame is not the game you should approach any unfamiliar mind with ideas of becoming. Focus more so on a stiffle of thought to which the most obvious reasons care not for argument but rather good. You may just be the opposition in this fight. Can you be sure you are on the right way? What proof do you have? Maybe I have no need for recognition. What makes you so entitled to pass judgement.
Of course, i'm also a sheep but i see what's possible with threads like this, it could inspire a wolf to actually do something. You make it sound like there is nothing that can be done about the NWO. I'm certainly not on the right way and i never claimed to be. I'm only judging your pessimistic mindset.
The jesuits. The damn jesuits, why are not more people talking about them? They have been scheming all out through history and now they control the most of the world banks and media.
The Black Nobility own and run the Vatican, SMOM, Jesuits, KOC, and La Cosa Nostra. The European Monarchies like the British Crown are branches of Rome and they manage secret societies like the Freemasons which infiltrate government agencies and run corporations for the monarchs. The SMOM is the top military council and it works closely with the Orders of St John ran by Protestant monarchs. The Knights of Malta are the engineers of war. The royal and noble bloodlines are all working together as a global crime syndicate and part of the modernized Roman Empire. The Greek royal House of Glucksburg run the Greek fraternities and sororities and use initiates as their agents. The British Crown controls universities like Yale and Harvard and use them for recruiting Crown agents. Jesuits are Roman intelligence and infiltrators and use their universities for recruiting and training Vatican agents. Many Knights of Columbus are police officers, mayors, lawyers, and judges and they protect the Italian Mafia.
The Italian Mafia are enforcers for Rome involved in extortion, money laundering, murder, and drug trafficking; and they pay their dues back to the Sicilian Mafia which pay dues back to the Black Nobility. Court Jews like the Rothschild, Warburg, Walton, Wallenberg, and Dreyfus families serve the Roman Curia and royal courtrooms like Buckingham Palace and Stockholm Palace. The Holy See is the All Seeing Eye and operates as an intelligence network. The Latin phrase Novus Ordo Seclorum means New Order of the Ages and is on the US dollar bill and US Great Seal. The Vatican uses Latin as an official language and for documents. The Black Nobility and other royal families have been concealing trillions in private banks in Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, and Switzerland. The Swiss Guard protects the Vatican. The Swiss Cantons have been in contract with the Vatican for centuries and Switzerland is basically a papal state. Some top families in the Black Nobility include the Pallavicini, Colonna, Ruspoli, Sforza-Cesarini, Aldobrandini, Odescalchi, Torlonia, Gaetani, and Massimo families.
Prince Carlo Massimo and Duke Leopoldo Torlonia are running the Sovereign Military Order of Malta. Prince Carlo Massimo is the President of the Italian Association for the Order of Malta and is the one giving the orders. Prince Carlo of Bourbon-Two Sicilies is a top manager of the Society of Jesus. The Jesuits are Roman intelligence and infiltrators serving the Black Nobility authorized by the Farnese family's Pope Paul III. The Bourbon-Two Sicilies family are the continuation of the Farnese family and Farnesivs is engraved on the Jesuit's headquarters called the Gesu Church of Rome. The Colonna family are running the Knights of Columbus and Colombo crime family. Colonna means column like Colombo and Columbus. The Massimo and Gaetani families own and run the Gambino crime family and Philadelphia crime family. The Massimo family also own and run the Casamonica mafia clan or Roman Mafia and the Nuclei Armati Rivoluzionari which still exists.
The Boncompagni-Ludovisi family run the Casalesi mafia clan which operates in their former dukedoms and also control the Bonanno crime family. The Adragna family of Sicily run many of the N'Drangheta factions along with the Gaetani family and the House of Adragna are part owners of Los Angeles crime family which was built up by the Dragna crime bosses like Jack Dragna. The House of Savoy own and run the Genovese crime family. Don Vito Genovese was from Naples and Prince Vittorio Emanuele IV of Savoy is the Prince of Naples. The Chigi-Albani family run most of the Albanian mafia like the Rudaj Organization. The Corsini, Medici, and Bonaparte families are the owners of the Union Corse or Corsican Mafia. The House of Windsor and German noble families run and finance various Neo-Nazi cults and Nazi propaganda while they also control many of the Jewish banking families. The House of Bourbon and Spanish noble families run most of the Mexican and South American drug cartels.
Blaming all Jews as a scapegoat serves to divide and conquer. If someone investigates Zionism or the Rothschilds, sometimes they will get caught up in something like white nationalism and stop learning anything real. Or if you talk about your findings, if any Jews are involved you get labeled as a racist. Stay specific.
Ummmmmm... I don't have any favorite conspiracies... but I guess cattle mutilation has always piqued my interest... cause no one can deny that it is happening... just no one knows
what
is happening... might be too retro for this crowd though... cattle mutilation went outta style even before crop circles were en vogue.
I think it's about time we actually discussed Conspiracy Theories. What they are, how they work, and their role in narrative control.
People saying things like "Trump/Clinton is politics, not conspiracy. Let's get back to real conspiracy theories like Bigfoot" either don't know what a Conspiracy Theory is or are actively trying to shift the narrative... either way this needs to be talked about.
I would like to add that I do
not
want this to be about concave, flat, convex, cylindrical or tetrahedral earth.
This should be a discussion of how to prove that the earth's surface curves up/down and how to prove where the center of gravity is (is it above us or below us?).
I just did a ton of research and found the creation story of Archons and Christos Sofia and our lineage of us - Anthropos. Explains the duality in this reality among some other truths about negative beings and the Satanic bloodlines. Most of it comes from original Gnostic teachings and the explanation of Christ. Found the work to be awakening and about a lot of hard truths in this reality. Also shows how the Matrix is much more of a spiritual movie than marketed. Would love your thoughts.
http://www.fifty8magazine.com/war-on-consciousness/
tldr first; Vatican City, City of London relationship, et al. (
We must identify the modern, operational enemy more clearly
.)
After many years of truth seeking, I am up against a particular wall, which I think needs community input (despite
/r/conspiracy
being a shadow of it's former self, oh how I miss the 2010
/r/conspiracy
... but I digress.)
The issue: Following the trail of corruption, blackmail, and worse, I primarily end up in two places. Vatican City, and The City of London. I am having difficulty determining what the relationship is though.
Originally, the Vatican was very opposed to the independence of England in the split... but that relationship is much less clear these days. According to Webster Tarpley, it was the Venetian black nobility who were advising Henry the 8th that helped cause the split in the first place, and according to the Larouchians it was the Venetian black nobility who migrated to London... but they were also highly tied to the Vatican as well, so what gives? Are they playing them against each other? Does one serve the other?
/u/AhuwahZeus
seems to know a lot about the black nobility families, but he seems to be doing stream of conciousness dumps without backing up his sources very well. Dr. John Coleman is very interesting on the subject as well.
Of course I am not discounting the general idea that most of us are already aware of, what I call the "three sister cities", where DC is the military seat of power, London is the financial seat of power, and the Vatican is the religious seat of power. Following the trails I have, I have mostly determined that all roads in DC end up in London or the Vatican, usually going through New York first (with very relevant exceptions, such as the Knights of Malta being prevelant in the wetworks side of the military/intel agencies), so for the time being I want to trace the modern connections (some looking back in time to give us context is worth it, but I think we should remain focused on modern times.
There is a lot of room for good discussion on the subject, and plenty of opportunity for weaponized autism to dig a bit. For example, the Larouchians seems to think the English monarchy is very high up in the ranking, but some things indicate to me it is possible the central bankers have essentially siezed functional control through the Bank of England et al. On the other hand, the monarchy also has ties to the darkness in the western european lands as a result of their own residual monarchies (Guelph, Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, Netherlands, Luxemburg, Belgium (Dutroux anyone?) etc) as well as being one of the largest land holders through the empire cleverly rebranded as the "
commonwealth
". There is also some talk about the relationship between them and the Venetian black nobility, such as Dr. Colemans claim that they meet off the shore of Venice to decide the fate of the world every so often.
A good scientific start for tracing the modern power structure in my opinion is
this paper
.
So we know we need to focus on the bankers most likely, which also includes IMF, BIS, and the World Bank, and by extension this also means Switzerland.
So, essentially I am backing up the request for the black nobility families, but lets keep it focused on the modern version of them.
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1 Bruce_de_Balzac 2017-09-30
disinfo agents and platforms [celebrity, & wannabes], with compelling data.
1 orionquest2016 2017-09-30
The cult(s) of Saturn, and their influence.
1 MKULTRA_Escapee 2017-09-30
I think we should discuss proven conspiracies: https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/70qvx7/updated_list_of_proven_conspiracies_and_hidden/
That's the cornerstone of the conspiracy community. You take all of the things we know are true, and then extrapolate from there. The problem is that most people haven't been exposed to this information, including a lot of conspiracy theorists. That is why I think a lot of people are able to be misdirected and distracted so easily with nonsense theories that go nowhere.
We could also talk about this study on proven conspiracies and how many years a conspiracy can be kept secret, depending on the amount of people involved: https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6z969p/from_a_study_on_conspiracies_for_a_hoax_to/
1 axolotl_peyotl 2017-09-30
Since this comment seems to be winning at the moment, it might help if you're more specific.
The list of confirmed conspiracies is already discussed here frequently...I'm concerned that such a broad and open-ended topic won't be appropriate for a round table, which is meant to focus our energy on a couple specific topics.
Again, this is a tall order, and would require much more than a round table that gets stickied for a few days.
Any chance you can suggest one or two topics to focus on other than the vague notion of "proven conspiracies"?
Don't get me wrong, I think it's a great idea (hence why we have a list of proven conspiracies), but I do believe it's in our best interest to focus on a few at a time, instead of trying to tackle everything at once, which can be a turn off for neophyte conspiracists.
1 MKULTRA_Escapee 2017-09-30
It seems that the most popular topic there is medical conspiracies. Human experimentation without consent, industry or government-influenced science, and bribed doctors who prescribe unnecessary medications to children. That should be quite an eye opener for people to see that this is going on and has been going on for over 50 years.
From 1963 to 1966, Saul Krugman of New York University promised the parents of mentally disabled children that their children would be enrolled into Willowbrook in exchange for signing a consent form for procedures that he claimed were "vaccinations." In reality, the procedures involved deliberately infecting children with viral hepatitis by feeding them an extract made from the feces of patients infected with the disease
Immediately after World War II, researchers at Vanderbilt University gave 829 pregnant mothers in Tennessee what they were told were "vitamin drinks" that would improve the health of their babies. The mixtures contained radioactive iron and the researchers were determining how fast the radioisotope crossed into the placenta. At least three children are known to have died from the experiments, from cancers and leukemia
More than 30 years after Boyce and Almeida were released [from the "Fernald School of the feeble minded"], they found out that the school had allowed them to be used as human guinea pigs. In 1994 Senate hearings, it came out that scientists from MIT had been giving radioactive oatmeal to the boys - men now - in a nutrition study for Quaker Oats. All they knew is that they'd been asked to join a science club. Among those who attended the hearing was Almeida, also a member of the club. He says the boys were recruited with special treats: "We were getting special treatment, you know, extra dessert, we got to eat away from the other boys. We were getting extra oatmeal. We're getting extra milk." "But they forgot to mention the milk was radioactive," says David White-Lief, an attorney who worked on the state task force investigating the science club.
The Ministry of Defence turned large parts of the country into a giant laboratory to conduct a series of secret germ warfare tests on the public. A government report provides for the first time a comprehensive official history of Britain's biological weapons trials between 1940 and 1979
The Army's secret Cold War experiments on St. Louisans
More recent stuff:
The pharmaceutical group GlaxoSmithKline has been fined $3bn after admitting to bribing doctors and encouraging the prescription of unsuitable antidepressants to children.
More than 10,000 American toddlers 2 or 3 years old are being medicated for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder outside established pediatric guidelines.
In 2009, Dr. Marcia Angell of the New England Journal of Medicine wrote: “It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of The New England Journal of Medicine.”
Richard Horton, editor in chief of The Lancet, recently wrote: “Much of the scientific literature, perhaps half, may simply be untrue. Afflicted by studies with small sample sizes, tiny effects, invalid exploratory analyses, and flagrant conflicts of interest, together with an obsession for pursuing fashionable trends of dubious importance, science has taken a turn towards darkness. As one participant put it, “poor methods get results”.
"I can't tell you exactly what percentage of the trials are flawed, but I think the problem is far bigger than you imagine, and getting worse...it is so easy to manipulate data, conceal it or fabricate it...there is almost a code of silence not to speak about it." - Whistleblower Dr. Peter Wilmshurst
Back in the 1960s, a sugar industry executive wrote fat checks to a group of Harvard researchers so that they’d downplay the links between sugar and heart disease in a prominent medical journal—and the researchers did it, according to historical documents reported in the journal JAMA Internal Medicine. One of those Harvard researchers went on to become the head of nutrition at the United States Department of Agriculture, where he set the stage for the federal government’s current dietary guidelines. All in all, the corrupted researchers and skewed scientific literature successfully helped draw attention away from the health risks of sweets and shift the blame solely to fats—for nearly five decades. The low-fat, high-sugar diets that health experts subsequently encouraged are now seen as a main driver of the current obesity epidemic.
Silencing the Scientist: Tyrone Hayes on Being Targeted by Herbicide Firm Syngenta
1 Step2TheJep 2017-09-30
The info regarding sugar is incredible. I wonder how many users of this sub still consume sodas and energy drinks.
1 MKULTRA_Escapee 2017-09-30
That's one of the crazier conspiracies. I'm sure it caused a lot of deaths, all in the name of money.
1 AFatBlackMan 2017-09-30
MKULTRA was the topic a few weeks ago, I'm not sure if the mods would consider this topic too similar.
1 MKULTRA_Escapee 2017-09-30
There are a few options here. For instance, fraudulent scientific practices, unethical behavior by doctors and pharmaceutical corporations, etc. The topic of "MKULTRA" is only one tiny slice in the pie. Unfortunately, it seems that MKULTRA is the only thing many people know about human experimentation. An overview could be a lot more informative. We could easily ignore the topic of MKULTRA altogether and still have a massive discussion on human experimentation.
1 Mahat 2017-09-30
We should self t a few topics for proven conspiracies like environmental contaminations and habitat destruction with an emphasis on regional development and industry. But we would need to generate a few lists of topics to hit of importance and decide which are the most damaging throughout history and currently.
The focus being using the round table as a toolbar building effort along with community direction on civility. The outside influences when we conduct ourselves in public will always have a noise to signal ratio.
Documentation should be more of a focus, and I guess i'll lurk more and take part in these, but we've lost a lot of community members due to reddits noise to signal ratio being for optics on topics. This is unavoidable, but disheartening.
1 slappy_patties 2017-09-30
'yer a fookin legend mate
1 Mahat 2017-09-30
The round table is however already accomplishing these ends through our public discourse and cloud documentation. We just need to go through the best of each round table and update the list of proven conspiracies with the shiny things they provide.
As a lurker, i'm already doing that. You've also gathered your own stats over the years. Really, we just need to present the round table as a staple of the community and use it to build. The optics of the place along with reddits ever present noise to signal ratio will always be problematic, but that's unavoidable.
I personally wouldn't mind helping with the round table in the way of documenting them since i'm already doing that. All we really need to do is figure out a list of topics and keep building that to select from so we can increase the quality of our efforts. Organize a bit more.
1 axolotl_peyotl 2017-09-30
Thanks for this...everyone's help is greatly appreciated...we are all in this together after all...
1 lazaplaya5 2017-09-30
If we wish to speak about proven conspiracies, I highly recommend the first documented civilization on earth, the Sumerians. They invented the wheel, mathematics, masonry, the calendar, government, and much much more; despite all these discoveries they are left out of almost all history books and credit is given to the Greeks, Babylonians, Egyptians or Romans (when they just inherited the technology). I could write essays about them, from their worship of the Anunaki, to their kings list (including kings prior to the great flood ruling for over 10,000+ years each). An interesting coincidence is their location, so far we've found Sumerian artifacts in: Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Syria and Saudi Arabia - all of which have been plagued with chaos and war both currently and historically (possibly more so than any other region in the world). Is it possible that the turmoil in the middle east is meant to destroy evidence and prevent researchers from uncovering our true roots?
I'm particularly interested in the theories that the Anunaki are aliens from Saturn/different solar system. Some believe that they were the ones who created us by combining their DNA with that of homeosapians when they arrived on earth.
1 Step2TheJep 2017-09-30
Documented by who? How old is the oldest primary source evidence in this regard?
1 MKULTRA_Escapee 2017-09-30
We could also get back on topic. Sumerians, aliens, Saturn, and annunaki have nothing to do with my post. I'm sure someone else will come in here and try talking about flat earth as well. We should discuss the actual conspiracies that I have cited.
1 3asybeat 2017-09-30
Mostly archaeologists and scholars have pieced the history together. According to wiki they developed the first writing system around 3300BC, with earliest Sumerian literary texts showing up around 2700BC, though the civilization itself is thought to be founded as early as 6500BC.
1 Step2TheJep 2017-09-30
I asked for primary source evidence , not appeals to authority.
1 trytheCOLDchai 2017-09-30
I would like to hear more on this senpai
1 Rollafatblunt 2017-09-30
I love this idea because I started think just about what was out in the open and documented.
Just off the very top of my head it doesn't look good. Mk ultra, secret wars ran by the cia and the war on drugs. The federal reserve
1 Rocksolid1111 2017-09-30
Secret societies.
1 Space__Stuff 2017-09-30
Or: the primary source of the secret societies.
1 Snatchmo 2017-09-30
All things "divide and conquer" related.
We already know it's happening but if we could get one thread where we list historic examples, direct quotes, current trends, etc. this could help educate other people to and not fall for their examples. Could be big in helping people to love each other again.
1 SarcasticPython 2017-09-30
This is important, especially today. I'm sick of seeing people talk about their party like it's any different from the other one. While we argue, the government can get away with anything. It's a dangerous thing.
1 OwlYourBaseBelong2Us 2017-09-30
Sift through the recent Hillary FOIA dump in a somewhat organized manner?
1 ultimateown3r 2017-09-30
The C.I.A. and all the info we can get about them.
Since I never saw this video stickied once..has me curious to say the least as to why it wasn't.
Cia Agent whistleblower risks all to expose The Shadow Government.
Seems pretty good relevant to everyone on Earth right now and needs more recognition. Let's shine a big ass light on it.
1 Space__Stuff 2017-09-30
This. The structure of control, relation to other intel agencies (mossad, ect... jesuits..), and what they are doing right now. Lets figure this shit out.
1 SomeHugeFrigganGoy 2017-09-30
Love Dane and all the work he's done with geoengineering watch. This presentation is fantastic. He did a big presentation about a year ago if memory serves, pretty much the same topics but didn't go into as much detail. Still excellent though.
1 SoTiredOfWinning 2017-09-30
Lol, "these agencies classify 90-100 bits of data per day!"
1 omenofdread 2017-09-30
I'd like to see a discussion on the implications of the Iran-Contra scandal and allegations of government collusion with drug traffickers.
This would probably also include something about Air America, our current situation in Afghanistan, Gary Webb, etc...
1 Alx__ 2017-09-30
How about Psychotronics/Mind Control? ( /r/psychotronics )
1 TheCrawlerFL 2017-09-30
There's been some Egypt talk lately, let's get a discussion on Ancient Egypt, the creation of the pyramids/Sphinx, and the Hall of Records
1 Ieuan1996 2017-09-30
Alternative/covered up human history would be a great thread.
1 mastigia 2017-09-30
How about the relationship between Ruby Ridge, the Waco Branch Divideans, and Timothy McVeigh's bombing of the first World Trade Center? That's a fun story
1 TheMadBonger 2017-09-30
Beat me to it. Darn you!
1 2012ronpaul2012 2017-09-30
Let's keep the SSP theme running. I vote Breakaway Civilization .
1 TheIdSay 2017-09-30
pizzagate maybe?
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1 axolotl_peyotl 2017-09-30
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1 HempCO719 2017-09-30
We need to do cloning. I believe this is the keystones conspiracy. Best part is the evidence we can collect on it. (Im not talking clone replacement theory youtube vids)
1 HempCO719 2017-09-30
An Executive Order signed in March of 2009. This EO was to repeal a previous EO by President George W. Bush banning stem cell research outright. President Obama does indeed say "and we will insure that our government never opens the door to the use of cloning for human reproduction. It is dangerous, profoundly wrong, and has no place in our society or any society." (He says it at about 4 minutes, 30 seconds into this video .) It seems that there was a fear of cloning that exploded after Dolly the Sheep was successfully cloned and publicized. I think people heard stem cell cloning back around the time President George W. Bush signed the original order and assumed that cloning stem cells could somehow lead to human clones--which is why President Obama later mentioned it at the signing. People forget that we've been cloning cells since the 50s when Henrietta Lacks' cells were cloned . In fact, her cells were the first successfully cloned human cells. You know how they like to be 20-30 years ahead of modern technology. How is this not yet a confirmed conspiracy?
1 CG28 2017-09-30
I didn't know about any of this until now.
Perhaps you could do a write up? I'm sure the community would be receptive.
1 HempCO719 2017-09-30
I can't make a post here as per the agreement I made with the mods as part of an agreement to unban my profile
1 CG28 2017-09-30
Interesting. I'd be happy to post it on your behalf?
1 HempCO719 2017-09-30
If you'd like to. The internet is still open sourced (for now...)
1 HempCO719 2017-09-30
Sure
1 DancesWithPugs 2017-09-30
"Never for reproduction" rhetorically leaves the door open for growing organs.
Dolly was two decades ago. That's a lot of time to improve.
1 Inam9797 2017-09-30
I would love to hear more about this, I don't get think it gets talked about enough. I have heard of secret underground cloning facilities as well as possible android-like robotoids that exist. There seems to be a dearth of information on the subject and I think if it was a round table topic we could maybe shed some light on it.
1 Blend_Master 2017-09-30
Hermeticism/Alchemy
1 The_Tyrant_King 2017-09-30
JFK Assassination
1 Wood_Warden 2017-09-30
Out of Body Experience, transcendental meditation, psychedelics, non-physical realities, astral travel, lucid dreaming and other esoteric techniques of this vessel.
Authors and videos to watch and discus:
Tom Campbell (author of My Big T.O.E. 'Theory of Everything") who uses no psychedelics to achieve out of body states and visits these realms. In specific, this part of this video shows a crude map of the places he's seen: https://youtu.be/y7-ZYAMFucc?t=3m14s He claims to have visited 20-30 PMR (physical-matter realities outside of "Our System") and a dozen or so NPMR (non-physical-matter realities). It's all very intriguing and I appreciate how he stays 'psychedelic-free' to further his research and present it to the mainstream.
He visited the Monroe Institute (famed for coining the term Out of Body) a long time ago, and through transcendental meditation achieves these goals. He claims he dreams with his son and carries out conversations with all manner of sentience.
There are many other authors with many other thoughts on this.
For example Graham Hancock and specifically, his book Supernatural. He discusses how humans throughout history have taken psychedelics (for many purposes) and that other planes have co-existed along side ours. He states in the book that there is another (or several) races evolving with ours in their realm. He claims they were once the elves/fairies, who now have become the greys etc. Regardless of his conclusions, the book has nice facts about psychedelics, their use, shamanism and other realms.
Another example is Terence McKenna and all he has to offer in regards to other states of mind, and other places of existence. Realms of indirect lighting, geometric domes, self-transforming machine-elves with no faces who are making objects by singing them into being. https://youtu.be/Eqn5FKISlTw
Another example is Rick Strassman and his book, DMT, The Spirit Molecule: https://www.rickstrassman.com/
Other topics to discuss within this field are personal experiences through meditation or talks about DMT, psilocybin and other psychedelics. I could share (they are easily available for anyone to search) an extremely easy tek for making DMT crystals. A 10 minute trip to dissolve all that you know.
I'm suggesting a topic along these lines because it empowers us as individuals. Focusing on the self and transforming our selves from within is most important in these times.
1 Jukecrim7 2017-09-30
Ah I was just reading up on the CIA paper on "gateway experiences" the other day when I was supposed to study lel
1 mula_talks 2017-09-30
How to contact demons 101
1 Pokonic 2017-09-30
How about Predictive Programming and the Occult in the Media in general? There's a lot to break down there.
1 trainstation98 2017-09-30
Hollow earth or area 51
1 CampingChair 2017-09-30
Geoengineering, we need to bring together to truth about Heterodyne wave generation.
1 trytheCOLDchai 2017-09-30
Upboated
1 Pariah_MythicNoob 2017-09-30
How the fuck did we go from the American Civil War with muskets, calvary and steam powered ironclads to dropping atomic bombs on Japan TWICE(((if nukes are real))) in the span of 80 years?
1 rytro2 2017-09-30
Fully automatic capitalism is a scary thing.
1 BlueOak777 2017-09-30
Unregulated mega-monopolies with no regard for human life pouring vast sums into a fully capitalist system so they could be the first to invent something new and revolutionary and form yet another mega-monopoly around it.
And how did we get from there to here? Transistors, basically.
1 xolotl-tlaloc 2017-09-30
We really need to discuss the US Pentagon's "missing" 7 trillion dollars. (arguably, the missing money is financing all the conspiracies)
https://www.activistpost.com/2017/03/10-trillion-missing-pentagon-no-one-not-even-dod-knows.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSwdVMLq8zI
1 ASkyWithoutEagles 2017-09-30
They'll just crash a plane into our servers
1 GearMetal 2017-09-30
Aliens living on earth or hollow earth
1 raygun_cisnut 2017-09-30
Life and Death: Who are we - why are we here, and what happens when we are not?
A Conspiracy of evolution, religion, and philosophy as explanations for that greatest of all things: existence itself.
This would be a great topic because it could pull in many ideas and theories about this subject. Many here would like to discuss and share on this topic, without having their thread downvoted etc - I am sure the sticky and round table would be appreciated, interesting, and participated in by a diverse crowd of ideas.
1 Space__Stuff 2017-09-30
I like this one.
1 aggieclams 2017-09-30
I would love a discussion on this
1 LAcumDodgers 2017-09-30
I would love a discussion on this
1 WolfgangJones 2017-09-30
A motley crew of clever monkeys out on a limb on a lonely planet on the fringe of the Milky Way Galaxy. Don't feed the animals .
To pass on our genes and old LPs, come solar flare or high water.
Everything, except not to us.
1 Step2TheJep 2017-09-30
Do you believe in human evolution theory?
1 WolfgangJones 2017-09-30
Yes.
1 Space__Stuff 2017-09-30
I think the CIA topic is critically important, as well as the influence of Rome/Vatican/Jesuits. But what really should be done is try to peice the WHOLE picture together. Who takes orders from who, how many primary factions there are, and who the MAIN source(s?) are.
Basically: who are are the biggest enemies of our species, and how are they operating? AND: what can we do about it? Or at the very least, how can we mitigate what is coming as much as possible? Nothing is more important than this.
1 Space__Stuff 2017-09-30
Alternative idea to "identify who the threat is":
What are the biggest threats facing our species, and in what order?
Ideally, this should be priority number one for every human being. Can't prepare if you don't know what's coming.
1 Space__Stuff 2017-09-30
Just gonna keep throwing out ideas: pole shift. I think this is a BIG one.
The history, the possibility, and the effect.
Search "the adam and eve story" available on the cia's website. Scroll down a few pages. Quick read, and WELL worth it.
1 LordMandrake_ 2017-09-30
Pole shift would be great, also the possibility of a mini ice age.
1 LordMandrake_ 2017-09-30
The Black Nobility Families.
1 BlueOak777 2017-09-30
Seconded. Seem to be a very hot topic right now.
1 LordMandrake_ 2017-09-30
It's always been.
A lot of uneducated people want to point the benefactor of all conspiracies to "zionist, bakners, %1,etc".
They're all controll opposition. The Vatican is in on this too.
If we chase the people who are legitimately at the top, we have a greater chance of undermining their rule.
1 pepperonihotdog 2017-09-30
I honestly don't want to be ruled by a bunch of people who can't stay in school. I'm ok with the one percent.
1 LordMandrake_ 2017-09-30
I'm sure you are.
1 pepperonihotdog 2017-09-30
I'm really not just trying not to think about it.
1 DancesWithPugs 2017-09-30
How do those boots taste?
1 pepperonihotdog 2017-09-30
Better now that I have recognition.
1 DancesWithPugs 2017-09-30
I was rude, I want you to see how you were being rude. Implying that anyone wanting a society designed for the prosperity of everyone is ignorant is absurd and insulting. As if we have the choice between ruthless tyrants and incompetent fools. Is that how you really think?
1 pepperonihotdog 2017-09-30
There will be no such thing. Not that I don't have hope but implying that any sort of change can come from a subreddit it's unlikely. Especially when they control our communication over it. All hail the King in Yellow.
1 Ostmormor 2017-09-30
If this sub-reddit just manage to inspire 1 strong willed individual that individual can cause massive change whether by spreading information or taking physical action. Your mindset is a weak one just like most sheep.
1 pepperonihotdog 2017-09-30
Just as you have supposed a will of conforming for me you have become the sheep as you see the failure of your voice to be a thread in a brittle garment masking an idividualistic view. Blame is not the game you should approach any unfamiliar mind with ideas of becoming. Focus more so on a stiffle of thought to which the most obvious reasons care not for argument but rather good. You may just be the opposition in this fight. Can you be sure you are on the right way? What proof do you have? Maybe I have no need for recognition. What makes you so entitled to pass judgement.
1 Ostmormor 2017-09-30
Of course, i'm also a sheep but i see what's possible with threads like this, it could inspire a wolf to actually do something. You make it sound like there is nothing that can be done about the NWO. I'm certainly not on the right way and i never claimed to be. I'm only judging your pessimistic mindset.
1 Ostmormor 2017-09-30
Indeed, the Vatican is controlled by the Jesuits with their current leader "The black pope".
1 AkusMMM 2017-09-30
controlled
controlled opposition
1 LordMandrake_ 2017-09-30
Good for you, bud.
1 Ostmormor 2017-09-30
The jesuits. The damn jesuits, why are not more people talking about them? They have been scheming all out through history and now they control the most of the world banks and media.
1 Putin_loves_cats 2017-09-30
+1!
1 AhuwahZeus 2017-09-30
The Black Nobility own and run the Vatican, SMOM, Jesuits, KOC, and La Cosa Nostra. The European Monarchies like the British Crown are branches of Rome and they manage secret societies like the Freemasons which infiltrate government agencies and run corporations for the monarchs. The SMOM is the top military council and it works closely with the Orders of St John ran by Protestant monarchs. The Knights of Malta are the engineers of war. The royal and noble bloodlines are all working together as a global crime syndicate and part of the modernized Roman Empire. The Greek royal House of Glucksburg run the Greek fraternities and sororities and use initiates as their agents. The British Crown controls universities like Yale and Harvard and use them for recruiting Crown agents. Jesuits are Roman intelligence and infiltrators and use their universities for recruiting and training Vatican agents. Many Knights of Columbus are police officers, mayors, lawyers, and judges and they protect the Italian Mafia.
The Italian Mafia are enforcers for Rome involved in extortion, money laundering, murder, and drug trafficking; and they pay their dues back to the Sicilian Mafia which pay dues back to the Black Nobility. Court Jews like the Rothschild, Warburg, Walton, Wallenberg, and Dreyfus families serve the Roman Curia and royal courtrooms like Buckingham Palace and Stockholm Palace. The Holy See is the All Seeing Eye and operates as an intelligence network. The Latin phrase Novus Ordo Seclorum means New Order of the Ages and is on the US dollar bill and US Great Seal. The Vatican uses Latin as an official language and for documents. The Black Nobility and other royal families have been concealing trillions in private banks in Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, and Switzerland. The Swiss Guard protects the Vatican. The Swiss Cantons have been in contract with the Vatican for centuries and Switzerland is basically a papal state. Some top families in the Black Nobility include the Pallavicini, Colonna, Ruspoli, Sforza-Cesarini, Aldobrandini, Odescalchi, Torlonia, Gaetani, and Massimo families.
Prince Carlo Massimo and Duke Leopoldo Torlonia are running the Sovereign Military Order of Malta. Prince Carlo Massimo is the President of the Italian Association for the Order of Malta and is the one giving the orders. Prince Carlo of Bourbon-Two Sicilies is a top manager of the Society of Jesus. The Jesuits are Roman intelligence and infiltrators serving the Black Nobility authorized by the Farnese family's Pope Paul III. The Bourbon-Two Sicilies family are the continuation of the Farnese family and Farnesivs is engraved on the Jesuit's headquarters called the Gesu Church of Rome. The Colonna family are running the Knights of Columbus and Colombo crime family. Colonna means column like Colombo and Columbus. The Massimo and Gaetani families own and run the Gambino crime family and Philadelphia crime family. The Massimo family also own and run the Casamonica mafia clan or Roman Mafia and the Nuclei Armati Rivoluzionari which still exists.
The Boncompagni-Ludovisi family run the Casalesi mafia clan which operates in their former dukedoms and also control the Bonanno crime family. The Adragna family of Sicily run many of the N'Drangheta factions along with the Gaetani family and the House of Adragna are part owners of Los Angeles crime family which was built up by the Dragna crime bosses like Jack Dragna. The House of Savoy own and run the Genovese crime family. Don Vito Genovese was from Naples and Prince Vittorio Emanuele IV of Savoy is the Prince of Naples. The Chigi-Albani family run most of the Albanian mafia like the Rudaj Organization. The Corsini, Medici, and Bonaparte families are the owners of the Union Corse or Corsican Mafia. The House of Windsor and German noble families run and finance various Neo-Nazi cults and Nazi propaganda while they also control many of the Jewish banking families. The House of Bourbon and Spanish noble families run most of the Mexican and South American drug cartels.
1 captainredbutt 2017-09-30
This is all new to me. Would you guide to me to some further reading on this subject?? Thank you!
1 Inam9797 2017-09-30
Check his post history for more further reading on the subject.
1 Ostmormor 2017-09-30
Very good summary. Somehow people think that the Jews is controlling things, lol. I guess that is also propaganda made by the Jesuits and more.
1 DancesWithPugs 2017-09-30
Blaming all Jews as a scapegoat serves to divide and conquer. If someone investigates Zionism or the Rothschilds, sometimes they will get caught up in something like white nationalism and stop learning anything real. Or if you talk about your findings, if any Jews are involved you get labeled as a racist. Stay specific.
1 keball 2017-09-30
Social Engineering
1 Ninjakick666 2017-09-30
Ummmmmm... I don't have any favorite conspiracies... but I guess cattle mutilation has always piqued my interest... cause no one can deny that it is happening... just no one knows what is happening... might be too retro for this crowd though... cattle mutilation went outta style even before crop circles were en vogue.
1 Monkeyjusti 2017-09-30
Ancient Knowledge, sacred geometry, and the lost city of Atlantis.
1 Step2TheJep 2017-09-30
Are we on r/conspiracy or r/fantasy?
1 Monkeyjusti 2017-09-30
https://www.ancient-code.com/lost-civilization-atlantis-buried-beneath-ice-antarctica/
1 Ieuan1996 2017-09-30
Check out the work of Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson on ancient civilizations and cataclysmic disasters.
1 Inam9797 2017-09-30
This is r/conspiracy
1 TheMadBonger 2017-09-30
WACO
1 ichoosejif 2017-09-30
State control over v. protection of public.
1 nonbiological_entity 2017-09-30
Anything having to do with simulation theory/being enslaved in a prison matrix.
1 PiggyDota 2017-09-30
I fucking love this group.
1 therealityof 2017-09-30
I always miss it but I'm voting for Antarctica or MKULTRA.
1 Ieuan1996 2017-09-30
We've already had both of those. Check out the links in the post
1 crestind 2017-09-30
Why don't we discuss the admin of 8ch's Fringe forum and how he's now being creeped on by intel agencies, as well as the implications?
1 podcastman 2017-09-30
State sponsored hacking. China of Equifax, Russia of US elections etc.
1 SokarRostau 2017-09-30
I think it's about time we actually discussed Conspiracy Theories. What they are, how they work, and their role in narrative control.
People saying things like "Trump/Clinton is politics, not conspiracy. Let's get back to real conspiracy theories like Bigfoot" either don't know what a Conspiracy Theory is or are actively trying to shift the narrative... either way this needs to be talked about.
1 pumpkinpyre 2017-09-30
Yeah,
mind control is a new way that has been almost perfected. Brainwashed workers. The trainers should be the ones to fall hard.
the people working toward the destruction of free will, jinxed themselves for a shit paycheck, and phony camaraderie.
1 revolct 2017-09-30
What did Americans saw on the Moon?
1 factsnotfeelings 2017-09-30
How to empirically prove the shape of the earth.
I would like to add that I do not want this to be about concave, flat, convex, cylindrical or tetrahedral earth.
This should be a discussion of how to prove that the earth's surface curves up/down and how to prove where the center of gravity is (is it above us or below us?).
1 billyrood 2017-09-30
I just did a ton of research and found the creation story of Archons and Christos Sofia and our lineage of us - Anthropos. Explains the duality in this reality among some other truths about negative beings and the Satanic bloodlines. Most of it comes from original Gnostic teachings and the explanation of Christ. Found the work to be awakening and about a lot of hard truths in this reality. Also shows how the Matrix is much more of a spiritual movie than marketed. Would love your thoughts. http://www.fifty8magazine.com/war-on-consciousness/
1 AdamWest4ever 2017-09-30
Something that has a kickstarter
1 zahher 2017-09-30
Chemtrails and HAARP
1 JoJoWiCo 2017-09-30
NRA
1 therealityof 2017-09-30
The Archons.
1 jesusofflatearth 2017-09-30
Let's figure out who the alchemistguy is!!!!
1 redteamalphamale 2017-09-30
tldr first; Vatican City, City of London relationship, et al. ( We must identify the modern, operational enemy more clearly .)
After many years of truth seeking, I am up against a particular wall, which I think needs community input (despite /r/conspiracy being a shadow of it's former self, oh how I miss the 2010 /r/conspiracy ... but I digress.)
The issue: Following the trail of corruption, blackmail, and worse, I primarily end up in two places. Vatican City, and The City of London. I am having difficulty determining what the relationship is though.
Originally, the Vatican was very opposed to the independence of England in the split... but that relationship is much less clear these days. According to Webster Tarpley, it was the Venetian black nobility who were advising Henry the 8th that helped cause the split in the first place, and according to the Larouchians it was the Venetian black nobility who migrated to London... but they were also highly tied to the Vatican as well, so what gives? Are they playing them against each other? Does one serve the other? /u/AhuwahZeus seems to know a lot about the black nobility families, but he seems to be doing stream of conciousness dumps without backing up his sources very well. Dr. John Coleman is very interesting on the subject as well.
Of course I am not discounting the general idea that most of us are already aware of, what I call the "three sister cities", where DC is the military seat of power, London is the financial seat of power, and the Vatican is the religious seat of power. Following the trails I have, I have mostly determined that all roads in DC end up in London or the Vatican, usually going through New York first (with very relevant exceptions, such as the Knights of Malta being prevelant in the wetworks side of the military/intel agencies), so for the time being I want to trace the modern connections (some looking back in time to give us context is worth it, but I think we should remain focused on modern times.
There is a lot of room for good discussion on the subject, and plenty of opportunity for weaponized autism to dig a bit. For example, the Larouchians seems to think the English monarchy is very high up in the ranking, but some things indicate to me it is possible the central bankers have essentially siezed functional control through the Bank of England et al. On the other hand, the monarchy also has ties to the darkness in the western european lands as a result of their own residual monarchies (Guelph, Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, Netherlands, Luxemburg, Belgium (Dutroux anyone?) etc) as well as being one of the largest land holders through the empire cleverly rebranded as the " commonwealth ". There is also some talk about the relationship between them and the Venetian black nobility, such as Dr. Colemans claim that they meet off the shore of Venice to decide the fate of the world every so often.
A good scientific start for tracing the modern power structure in my opinion is this paper .
So we know we need to focus on the bankers most likely, which also includes IMF, BIS, and the World Bank, and by extension this also means Switzerland.
So, essentially I am backing up the request for the black nobility families, but lets keep it focused on the modern version of them.
1 shwanky 2017-09-30
I'll get banned. But my dick in your mouth?
1 themooster32 2017-09-30
The idea that Sumerian mythology was right, and that the Annunaki were our benevolent alien overlords for a time.
1 Ieuan1996 2017-09-30
Alternative/covered up human history would be a great thread.