Thats a lot of words! Must have taken a while to do.

lol, funny reply. But you are right, words are hard.

The virgin birth symbolism gave me chills!! Thanks for this compilation!

I liked that a lot as well. It felt like a light bulb went off in my head.

Then you should read the entire collection of threads. Light bulbs throughout.

Commenting just to mark so I can read later. Lots of words. Thanks, OP.

Take the time to read all of them. I've been a conspiracy researcher for many years, and this was the biggest find I've ever come across, and it's not even close.

Will do. Thank you

Thank you for this.

this is a great thread, one that took a lot of effort to make. and I agree with you, if it is a LARP, it is a fantastic one.

I wonder why they are waiting for 2024 to try to get one of their presidents installed.

Trumpo has the next 8 years in the bag.

have you found any responses or questions that ask about the September 23rd "event"? very great post that i've saved to comb through later!

I wonder why they are waiting for 2024 to try to get one of their presidents installed.

They want to lay the groundwork to make sure it "sticks" this time. They've tried several times before and faced mass executions of their order.

I get that. I normally am not superstitious but 2024 is the year of the second US solar eclipse too, as it is 7 years from now. lots of weird conflicting prophecies around how end times go, but the 7 years of tribulation caught my attention.

I wonder if the Fabernache code exists in time and human events?

are you referring tot he gnostics?

That's a pretty accurate term to describe them, but they've used many names over the years.

are you referring to the gnostics?

As to their beliefs, he said this:

We believe in what you might call esoteric Christianity. You must interpret many things symbolically rather than literally to get towards the truth.

His praise for Hamilton makes me think he is disinfo. Hamilton is the worst of all the founding fathers.

Major red flag insofar as his understanding of economics. Also soft on Washington if I remember correctly.

Indeed

Hamilton was a humanist who favored US soveriegnty over foreign dependence.

His 'Federalist Papers' put him on the side of the Ionians, Athenians and Spartans in the Pelopanesian war. If I remember correctly, I believe he renounced Aristotle as the Platonic heir, as well.

Of what I have read of his politics (and what little of his economics can be found in the 'Federalist Papers'), Hamilton seems in line with the ambitions of Three, an American Republic free of the Old World influence.

As for Washington, it's confusing. He was a mason of high rank, in order to keep tabs on their movements and spread rumors of the Illuminati penetrating their ranks. As HLI intimated, the compartmentalization of Mason knowledge allowed for confusion-- fostered by agents of Humanity such as Franklin and Washington-- to run rampant.

TL;DR: Hamilton was FOR the new republic. Washington (and Franklin) were in bed with the enemy to pull the world over their eyes.

Wasn't Hamilton more in support of a Rothschild central bank and a higher level of federal power than practically every other founding father?

I have never read anything of his referencing the Rothchild's, but I do believe he was for a central bank, a Nation bank. Also, I was wrong in the comment above. He never mentioned Aristotle.

Hamilton wrote series of reports for George Washington's administration and for congress starting in 1790. He was the predecessor of Henry Clay , whose economics inspired Lincoln.

The First Report of four, the Report on Public Credit calculated the national debt. His first move was to pay back all of the IOU's the government handed out durring the war . He demanded the government establish good credit with it's citizens by paying-- with interest-- the face value of the IOU's. Some corruption ensued, but take the good with the bad, I guess. He used ear-marked tariffs to pay down the debt.

The Second Report, the Report on a National Bank was to be a part-private, part-state run bank. If I understand this correctly, the federal government would pay back the IOU in full, or you could put it in the National Bank at $0.75 on the dollar and watch it grow. Playa's Choice, if you will...

The Fourth Report, the Report on Manufactures is the one which inspired the American System ). Essentially, Hamilton wanted to tax the bejeezus out of foreign imports to boost domestic production. ** Warning:: Gross Over-simplification ahead!**

His argument:

America has every resource we need plus 3 million souls who need. Let us harvest here, produce here and sell here. The rest of the world will come to us. The Dutch and Portuguese will pay to sell to us.

Their Argument:

Only the northern states produce! The southern states are farmers! We rely on foreign imports for the luxuries of civilized life!

Hamilton's viewpoint is stated plainly in the Federalist Paper 11 where he writes:

Suppose, for instance, we had a government in America, capable of excluding Great Britain (with whom we have at present no treaty of commerce) from all our ports; what would be the probable operation of this step upon her politics? Would it not enable us to negotiate, with the fairest prospect of success, for commercial privileges of the most valuable and extensive kind, in the dominions of that kingdom? When these questions have been asked, upon other occasions, they have received a plausible, but not a solid or satisfactory answer. It has been said that prohibitions on our part would produce no change in the system of Britain, because she could prosecute her trade with us through the medium of the Dutch, who would be her immediate customers and paymasters for those articles which were wanted for the supply of our markets. But would not her navigation be materially injured by the loss of the important advantage of being her own carrier in that trade? Would not the principal part of its profits be intercepted by the Dutch, as a compensation for their agency and risk? Would not the mere circumstance of freight occasion a considerable deduction? Would not so circuitous an intercourse facilitate the competitions of other nations, by enhancing the price of British commodities in our markets, and by transferring to other hands the management of this interesting branch of the British commerce?

TL:DR: Accepting our outrageous tariffs will be the cheapest course of action for a foreign manufacturer.

The fishy part to me is the claim they needed foreign goods at a reasonable price. W

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Thank you for your well articulated viewpoint. I will have to research further and reconsider my opinion. Admittedly, my opinion is more based on second hand interpretation than source material. Most "conspiracy" authors are not fans of Hamilton due to him being a proponent of a central bank. That is one reason why he is celebrated by modern day elites, hell even Broadway.

TBH; looks like AI responses that were trained from /r/conspiracy ; vague, but referencing material that is in the right realm.

really? I guess I didn't pick up on that. Interesting perspective.

looks like AI responses that were trained from /r/conspiracy

Not my impression. Would you care to expand?

AI is something I had not thought about. That is certainly a possibility.

If you were going to try to control a conspiracy sub, I think having its users run around looking at 'allowed' research and making vague suggestions as if you 'were in the know' would be a great tool.

Q anon

do you mean that 4chan thing going on? I haven't really been following it after getting frustrated at it's lame suggestions. Just say WTF you mean dude and stop pussyfooting.

Q anon is doing exactly what you described there. Clear enough?

LOL I meant "Just say WTF you mean dude and stop pussyfooting." towards Q, not you, sorry ;p He's got everyone postulating.

I can't recommend enough that everyone go read those posts. This is not your run-of-the-mill 4chan LARP

I'm 100% confident they are real, and can verify most of what they said with publicly available sources (although I disagree with them on some important matters). Feel free to ask questions.

(although I disagree with them on some important matters)

can you expand on what?

can you expand on what?

Spiritual truth. They see the Bible as being almost entirely an allegory, and I don't. At the very heart of the issue, I don't believe anyone will go to heaven without repenting and accepting the sacrifice of Jesus Christ for their sins, and they explicitly reject this idea.

That isn't to say I think they're bad people. They fight the Mystery Babylon system, which is literally God's work, and they are not opposed to literal interpretations of Christianity: "whoever is not against us is for us." (Mark 9:40).

A number of their members, like Raymond Lull , have taken Christianity pretty literally. Even Hamilton was pretty clearly a conventional Christian, and Washington probably was as well.

Further, I would argue that the mystery religions they follow originally came from Enoch in the Old Testament, who created the Sacred Sciences. The original message was corrupted by the time of the Nephilim, who ruled over the whole earth by these mystery cults. After the flood, Nimrod used mystery religions to again enslave humanity, so God confused their languages and scattered humanity.

According to both the good and evil mystery schools, Freemasonry came from Enoch before the flood. Where HLI gets mixed up is that he doesn't realize there are two traditions. To my knowledge, author Gary Wayne is the only one to snap to this: in Genesis there is a good Enoch (line of Seth) and an evil Enoch (line of Cain).

So, the story goes, God sent the flood to destroy humanity because he hated them. And the Tower of Babel is about hiding knowledge. What HLI doesn't know is that he's getting a corrupted reading of this story, which is prevalent in virtually every single religion besides the writings of Genesis, and probably the Book of Enoch.

The real story is that the evil mystery schools like the Brotherhood of the Snake which were founded by literal human-demon hybrids, had enslaved humanity before the Flood. After the Flood, Nimrod did the same thing (literally a One World Government), so God confused their languages and scattered humanity so they could be free of control by the mystery schools.

It was because the original story was corrupted that God called Abraham out of Babylon. And unlike the other religions, he wrote everything down, so it couldn't be corrupted by the Mystery Babylon system (only misinterpreted).

It gets even crazier when you consider the possibility that God entrusted these nations to angels who had not fallen in the 1st situation (note Daniel's references to the demon "Prince of Persia" and Paul's saying in Ephesians that our battle is against territorial demonic forces), but fell after being given responsibility over nations.

And it reaches its craziest when you recall that HLI referred to his group as "The Watchers." Same name given to the angels that fell in Genesis 6.

But the Book of Enoch also tells us that many of these fallen angels are repentant, and want to fix the mess they created. Recall also the Greek legends of the Titans (Giants, Nephilim) overthrowing the true God, but then being overthrown themselves by Zeus, who saw how evil they had become.

According to some of the question sessions, Three has been fighting Mystery Babylon since about 800 BC. We've been fighting it since well before the Flood.

Spiritual truth. They see the Bible as being almost entirely an allegory, and I don't. At the very heart of the issue, I don't believe anyone will go to heaven without repenting and accepting the sacrifice of Jesus Christ for their sins, and they explicitly reject this idea.

Is there any particular reason you see the overt narrative culminating in Pauline and following church doctrines being divinely inspired as opposed to every other narrative transmission which becomes warped over time?

I tend to lean toward agreeing with Christ that right action is right doctrine rather than the inverse which tend to be the teachings of "the Church". Paul I think struggled with this due probably to his religious background and audience.

When it comes to teachings of Christ I find it very difficult to adopt the modern literalist narrative that requires a confession of faith to secure a place in the afterlife. His teaching is not a universalist one, but he very clearly in multiple instances makes it clear that his path is one of right action not right belief. What's beautiful about this is how it works whether the Kingdom of God is meant to be made manifest now or to be experienced in fullness after death.

All that being said, if you're loving God and your neighbor I embrace you as a brother and hope to bring the Kingdom in with you. Just curious as to how you got to the place you are and if it's something I hadn't considered.

Is there any particular reason you see the overt narrative culminating in Pauline and following church doctrines being divinely inspired as opposed to every other narrative transmission which becomes warped over time?

For one thing, Paul was brutally killed for these beliefs, like the rest of the disciples. Sheeple will die for made-up religions, but not the founders.

Secondly, there is fulfilled prophecy. Look into the dozens of prophecies about Jesus that he fulfilled, or look into how Bible prophecy is being fulfilled right now, like how Israel was regathered from the 4 corners of the earth back to their land.

When it comes to teachings of Christ I find it very difficult to adopt the modern literalist narrative that requires a confession of faith to secure a place in the afterlife.

The most important part is actually repentance; turning from a life of evil. Imagine if God let unrepentant evil psychopaths into Heaven; it wouldn't be Heaven at all. You simply can't have a positive afterlife without a prerequisite of repentance.

His teaching is not a universalist one, but he in multiple instances makes it clear that his path is one of right action not right belief.

Sure, this is why the book of James is in the Bible, to counteract libertinism ("sin it up, Jesus already paid the tab!"). Real repentance will lead to good deeds.

All that being said, if you're loving God and your neighbor I embrace you as a brother and hope to bring the Kingdom in with you.

One of the central teachings of Christianity is tolerance toward those with different beliefs.

Thanks for the response.

One of the central teachings of Christianity is tolerance toward those with different beliefs.

I don't think we have differing beliefs so much as differing levels of internal conviction around some fairly immaterial issues. :-)

Who is the "we" of the last sentence? Christians before such a specific name existed? Genuine curious. Largely agree with your take(s).

Who is the "we" of the last sentence?

Yes. The followers of Jesus Christ. The true followers of the Hebrew religion. Those that listened to Noah's preaching after the flood. Those that followed Enoch's preaching before the flood.

If you're interested, there's a really interesting book called "Eternity in their Hearts" that shows that many religions are essentially telling the same thing if you go back far enough. This belief was widespread in the early church, but modern Christians teach that anything except Evangelical Christianity is terrible and must be denounced.

For example, many pagan religions believe in an ultimate creator God, which is exactly what the Bible teaches: lots of lesser spiritual powers (angels) and an ultimate one (God).

It's likely that many of these old religions were founded by Enoch and Noah, and subsequently corrupted.

Do you have any links where I can learn more of this?

There's a lot there, so maybe be more specific.

Overall, check out Gary Wayne's Genesis 6 conspiracy. He's also done dozens of interviews, and it's absolutely incredible the breadth of knowledge; he's been on everything from Evangelical Bible prophecy to completely secular Bigfoot researchers.

I'm just starting to study the Bible and I want to learn everything you said just don't know where to start and I'll check out that guy.

watch the movie Zeitgeist, it gives a great explanation about all this

I would like to read more on Enoch, care to suggest best starting point?

The Book of Enoch is a great place to start.

And it reaches its craziest when you recall that HLI referred to his group as "The Watchers."

This was not the craziest, but one of the most interesting things he said. The Watchers as those carrying the antediluvian knowledge and trying to steer humanity in the right direction, IMO, not literal "fallen angels" from some kind of Heaven which would bring us dangerously close to some alien disinfo stories.

If you have something you disagree with, please explain it. But I've never said anything even hinting at aliens, and Three has, at a number of points in their history, acknowledged the existence of spirit beings, including negative entities.

But I've never said anything even hinting at aliens

Not you. But you keep recommending Gary Wayne and reading his texts is not very elightening tbh.

For example:

http://genesis6conspiracy.com/chapter-48-the-alien-phenomena/

http://genesis6conspiracy.com/chapter-74-the-illuminati/

Did you read the bit about aliens? He says it's a plot by the mystery schools.

He makes the same mistake about the Illuminati as almost everyone else makes, I'll grant it. And that's why I've referred people to Scarlet and the Beast (quoted extensively by Bill Cooper) which discusses the battle between secret societies.

Can you provide any citation from the source material?

There's some sources that I'm 100% sure are from them that contain this, but I don't want to reveal them because it would amount to outing them.

I already said I think Manly P Hall was one of them, or at least was given information by them. He's got lots of material on all of these topics I'm discussing. You can start with Secret Teachings of All Ages .

He makes the same mistake about the Illuminati as almost everyone else makes, I'll grant it.

And most likely some more mistakes and misinterpretions... I prefer gnostics to Wayne.

And most likely some more mistakes and misinterpretions

Based on what? It sounds like you're presuming he's inaccurate because he reaches a different conclusion than you do. Bill Cooper quoted extensively from Evangelical sources in exposing the mysteries.

I prefer gnostics to Wayne.

Like who? If you have a source that you think does a better job presenting things, then by all means share it. But otherwise, it sounds like you haven't taken the time to evaluate whether Gary Wayne's argument is supported by the evidence or not.

The conclusions matter because he seems to be very sure that he has the right view regarding the end times deception. What if he is the one who is wrong?

The reference to gnostics was made by him, for example here in the video you recommended to watch, time mark 1:11:22 .

From everything I've seen by Gary Wayne, he doesn't believe in aliens, but rather spiritual beings. I've heard him say repeatedly that the alien line is not something he believes in, but it originated from one of the Gnostic secret societies. The same societies the push the mysticism narratives, like elves and fairies.

And he says: "read my book so that you are not deceived."( https://youtu.be/gmmfmCdqzbQ?t=1h12m00s ).

What if he is the one who is wrong due to literal interpretation of the bible? .

Don't you find it concerning? (asking u/EagleOfAmerica again).

He believes in his research and believes in his book, nothing wrong with that. He's not wrong in that the mystery schools are deceivers. As for Gary, I don't know. I'll see what I think after I finish his book. He seems like a genuine good person though.

And he says: "read my book so that you are not deceived."

Would you agree that every Evangelical in this country would be better off if they were aware of the influence that Freemasons have?

What if he is the one who is wrong due to literal interpretation of the bible?

This is, at best, a probabilistic argument, and a terribly weak one (people who believe in biblical literalism are so prone to make mistakes that you should be suspicious of this person on the sole basis that they believe in literalism). If he were a flat earther, you might have an argument, but we're talking about finer points of theology, not something you can debunk in 10 minutes.

If you're saying biblical literalism, is, per se, grounds for being suspicious of someone's views, then I would say you need to read The Origin of Consciousness again. This is essentially shutting off one's consciousness to the claims of someone outside of your tribe.

Every argument that a person makes should be evaluated on its own merit, including whether literal interpretation of the Bible is correct. Have you actually investigated that personally, or are you assuming High Level Insider is correct about that matter without confirming it yourself?

I don't really care if you disagree with me, I just want you to make a strong argument for whatever position you take.

I just want you to make a strong argument for whatever position you take.

"Seek the truth, hear the truth, learn the truth, love the truth, speak the truth, hold the truth and defend the truth until death."

I can't recommend enough that everyone go read those posts.

Anyone interested in what the anons had to say about the space elevator project during "orbital ring space elevator" campaign is invited to read their compiled posts by u/darkomantis here .

In the last question session, an anon asked if TPTB tried to kill God, to which he replied something like "yes, but they were unsuccessful". My thoughts are that he didn't mean it literally, but that they have tried to steer people away from God and more towards scientism, big bang theory, etc.

Any thoughts on this?

what are your main disagreements with the HLI?

See my comment .

My thoughts are that he didn't mean it literally, but that they have tried to steer people away from God and more towards scientism, big bang theory, etc. Any thoughts on this?

That sounds about right. Turn science into pure empiricism, reasoning from the observations, rather than operating from a sense of a deeper truth.

At a very basic level, most societies didn't even consider the Creator to be rational, so why would you go looking for natural laws that you can understand? In other words, most societies are philosophically incapable of science.

what are your areas of disagreement and why?

See my comment here .

As far as ClosedSociety404, I have a less cynical view of the Council for National Policy. It's not great, but it's nothing like its counterpart, the Council on Foreign Relations, and other establishment policy groups.

Compare also to the groups it largely replaced; Le Circle, John Birch Society, American Security Council, etc. All created by Freemasons and Knights of Malta, totally subverted from the beginning..

A.I. Told me

Interesting read. Many more data points to consider, and to connect to other data points.

I have had discussions with others about how we live apart from our neighbors. It really weakens us. If we relearn to share and work together, then money is not necessary. The Babylonian money magick becomes useless.

For now, we need to withdraw from this wicked system as much as possible. A righteous money system, such as one that rewards productive investments, would be even better.

Yes, I agree. Making the value of the dollar depend on labor would also help.

THAT is a great website. I don't agree with half of it, but there are months' worth of rabbit holes to go down.

Hmmm... I am not familiar with that site. I will have a look.

Yes, me from a year ago would think that me today is completely insane. I used to not care about politics, but I did this time because of Bernie. I had no idea where it would lead me... LOL.

What a timely post! It's been a great year!

If it's a LARP, it's still profound and offers plenty of food for thought in its own right. And if it's legit... holy fuck. :D It's a good time to be alive.

Not a LARP. They definitely exist, and they are very old. Back to the biblical Magi and before.

It has the ring of truth for me. I think people can't get past the fact that it's 4chan, the home of LARPers - but IMO, if Jesus were alive today he may well be dropping truth bombs on 4chan.

The prostitutes, tax collectors, and the meme magicians.

Just like he did in the bible.

IMO, if Jesus were alive today he may well be dropping truth bombs on 4chan.

Can confirm. They simply speak with people

The ability to speak freely is not something most people have encountered in person and it really shocks them to bump into it. I've repeatedly struck up conversations with strangers and had them tell me I am going to save the world within five minutes. That's an overblown analysis on their part, but it speaks to the intensity with which an encounter with freedom resonates with people.

You're not wrong. Some sources I trust say the groundwork that is being laid from 2000-2020 has a HUGE effect on what happens in 2324. And that's why Major Ed Dames couldn't remote view beyond 2012. It was "off limits".

Got a link for that?

No. You'd have to go through Art Bell transcripts from the 1990s where he had Ed Dames on the show.

cool beans

What do you think of his claims that Osama and Obama are the same person?

I've read a lot of his stuff on 4chan back when it was happening and you can tell the account is extremely intelligent and well read. But at times throws out some really insane claims like the one i mentioned above. What do you make of this?

What do you think of his claims that Osama and Obama are the same person?

There are kids that proved this on youtube... adults just get stuck in their own ways and have a more difficult time accepting this sort of truth

source please?

He already told you old man, find some local kids and ask them for help with the youtubes.

I've compared pictures of both of them and can definitely see how it's possible. Same facial structure, same hands, etc. I wouldn't put it past the CIA to be able to change some parts of his face like the lips and nose. I'm sure all of it was filmed in a propaganda studio somewhere as well.

What was the context in which that was said?

It's literally true. Barack Obama worked for a CIA front . His whole family is CIA. He went to Columbia at the same time as Brzezinski, who created bin Ladin. He looks just like the guy if you put on a few prosthetics.

It's literally true.

Posts a bunch of shit that proves nothing....

"9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues with denial they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect."

http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/25-rules-disinformation/

Have you seen [this]?( https://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n10/seymour-m-hersh/the-killing-of-osama-bin-laden )

Does HLI have an explanation for the appearances of Osama circa 2000-2001 as being frail, sickly and requiring a dialysis machine? Any thoughts on the theory that Osama died in 2001?

If this is true, Obama's smirking strut when he announced the murder of Osama takes on another dimension of chutzpah.

Also the name Barack Obama is eerily similar to Osama Bin Laden. Since it was a character Obama played, he got dibs on 'killing' him.

But if you watch some comparison videos, it almost seems obvious that they're the same person, post 2001. It's also obvious that they're not the same Bin Ladens pre and post 9/11. It's pretty wild how much fuckery is afoot with this.

In your understanding, was Osama bin Laden ever a real person? Or was it a CIA role played by two different actors, one who passed away in December 2001 and one who became president in 2008?

In my understanding, OBL was a real person from Saudi Arabia, who was a CIA asset during the Afghanistan vs Russia war. He was trained and funded by the CIA as a proxy army against Russia, like we've seen them do many times. He was a well known figure after that, so when he died in 2001, it was a perfect opportunity to use his likeness to blame on 9/11. Bill Cooper even called this almost a year before 9/11, and specifically mentioned OBL.

Essentially, less work would have to be done to get a bogeyman known by people from the middle East and the west. Since Barack Obama was a CIA asset too, along with his family, and the fact that he was fluent in Arabic, dark skinned, intelligent, etc, he was a perfect candidate to play the role. So perfect, that barely anyone knows it, and people mock you if you even suggest it.

What do you think of his claims that Osama and Obama are the same person?

You can verify that he worked for a CIA front . That, and the fact that he looks like the guy should be enough to get really suspicious.

Then you can dig deeper in Wayne Madsen's work , and see his whole family is CIA for generations. Do a little work on his timeline during the 1980s, like meeting up with the head of Operation Cyclone, Brzezinski, at Columbia, and it gets to be pretty plausible.

He looks like the guy? WTF

Yeah. He went to school with a guy and he worked at a place that also had CIA working there sometime therefore: literally Osama. Some of you should stay away from the internet for a while.

Not really. if you can tell me what part i misrepresented i'd be happy to approach it. But you didn't and you can't because that was literally his argument. Sure, i can go down searching thousands of links through the sources he just provided. But when it starts off with " oh he looked like him...and went to school with berzinski... and worked at a place where cia worked before... not much of an argument.

"The theory has legs once you remove yourself from the stunned disbelief that TPTB could ever do something so wild.."

your first mistake is assuming i don't think they'd do it. I think they'd do it and more. but you have no argument or source and likely since you're pumping this HLI guy so hard, you're more likely to be a part of (or at least fallen victim to) more larping or bogus conspiracy shit like the flat earth campaign that is just to muddy the waters and make conspiracies seem that much more retarded. I mean if you are so damn sure about it, at least like HLI is who you seem to believe...then it shouldn't be hard to source something that isn't tangential proof full of holes.

ps. i do think he's CIA for what it's worth. just not osama lol

Cool. Not really a false equivalence but ok. I haven't had time to look at your sources but i'll give them a go.

"I don't think the idea Obama at one point played Osama as part of his CIA role, isn't so outlandish a theory."

i don't think it's too outlandish either. I even am inclined to believe it more than i think you believe i am. I just don't blindly assert things because they sound good or because i want them to be true.

"Discounting an idea as madness without doing the diligence necessary to offer an informed opinion, is materially indistinguishable to accepting it as gospel."

i agree. which is what many seem do be doing with the HLI guy. Which is why i pointed out the Osama thing because it's just taken as gospel the way he asserts it without any reasoning or proof. So since you support that guy you are essentially condoning that type action that you detest. That was my point really. i don't really want to argue about the facts. i ask for sources for my own research not to argue at this point.

And i get you're more analyzing what he says and you don't have to defend him on every issue. that's fair. I was interested in him and he lost me at that point. I asked him for clarification but was never given any.

Sure, i can go down searching thousands of links

Anyone with a brain stopped reading here, and instantly realized you're a bullshitter. "Oh, I could look at evidence, but who needs that when I can lie and pretend facts don't exist?"

"19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the “play dumb” rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon). In order to completely avoid discussing issues may require you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance."

http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/25-rules-disinformation/

"9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues with denial they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect."

http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/25-rules-disinformation/

They broadcast Gaddafi and Saddam being sodomised with knives and murdered on live TV... yet Bin Lade, the alleged mastermind of the whole affair, gets thrown in the sea "in accordance with Islamic law".

This is a point I hadn't yet considered, but it's one of the most noteworthy I've heard thus far.

yep

For a searchable archive of High Level Insiders Post type in whatever you want into the search box "consciousness , space elevator" etc

Great post! If I I could upvote this a thousand times, I would. The HLI changed me for the better. After reading his AMA'S, as well as the Julian Jaynes book, I have a vastly different mindset. Whether he's a LARP or not is irrelevant to me at this point, but I think he's the real deal.

Also, there was an account here going by his moniker that recommended another book to me, which was Manly P Hall's 'The Secret Teaching Of All Ages'. It has given me alot of insight into secret societies, what they do, how they're formed, societies within societies, etc.

I hope he does another question session soon. He said they'd continue for years to come, but has been on a hiatus since early March.

I think Manly P Hall was a front writer for their organization, sort of like Shakespeare (which Hall discussed very directly). They often refer people to "Secret Teachings" today.

And whats interesting is that Hall became a 33 degree freemason of the Scottish rite, 47 years after he wrote that book. Alot of people assume he was a freemason before he wrote the book, myself included.

Secret Teachings should be required reading here, along with Isis Unveiled. The disinfo related to occult matters here is off the charts.

Agreed. Also, people underestimate just how much secret societies and mystery schools have shaped history and pulled the strings. I mean the first 2 paragraphs in the book go on to bash non thinkers and people who don't have a burning desire to know the answers of the universe.

I've mentioned it before, but has anyone looked into Rudolf Steiner? He seemed to be coming from a similar place as HLI, in that he felt that occult knowledge should be shared with the masses, and dedicated his life to doing just that.

I don't think he was one of them, not a leader at least, but he was involved with a bunch of people that were. That's roughly the period where Golden Dawn ripped off everything the light occultists had done (Crowley calling his Satanism "The Illuminati," etc.)

What are the odds that HLI and 222 are the same person as well? I’ve been reading 222s posts recently and they seem similar as well.

What are the odds that HLI and 222 are the same person as well? I’ve been reading 222s posts recently and they seem similar as well.

An alien disinfo etc. 222 character similar to HLI? No chance.

Thank you.

That's how psyops are generated. They coopt some truths (so that it sounds similar, or familiar to you) and mix in lots of lies, leaving you even more confused. Do not lose much time with this kind of stuff.

That makes perfect sense. Similar to Victory of the Light. Thank you.

Yes, also votl. This are the times of universal deceit. Have your eyes open and your mind sharp because you want to be able to distinguish between an effort to counterfeit the good guys and the good guys when the time comes, right?

He really jumped the shark. E-mailed himself, forgot to black out the e-mail addresses, then posted the e-mail as an "anonymous CIA source."

Who is 222?

A pol insider.

Thank you so much for this OP. Ive read some of HLI posts as well and I know they always get accused of LARPing, but that has never been my take.

Im saving this for later to read again and share with others. There is a feeling of importance about this information.

The space elevator and basically free energy is eye opening.

The struggle is real.

OP, thanks for sharing the interesting message about pyramids. Makes perfect sense. They built pyramids, we are going to build a space elevator (in spite of Elon, LOL so that we can enjoy more free time to think.

The stone (Jesus) the builders (masons) rejected has become the capstone.

I saw just reading through your post about Tulsi that you link towards the end; in the comments you and another user are discussing HLI and his thread.

To think he was in there commenting as well is pretty fucking cool!

Great write up!

The information just flows so seamlessly. It would take me hours to put together sentences and thought structure the way he does in just minutes.

It's pretty amazing and really cool that you were able to identify him.

I just pray he's the real deal.

I remember those comments during that AMA. This is good stuff.

Awesome post, going to read into it.

I'm too cynical to believe that anything can be done about the current state of the world; save for massive natural disasters, thermonuclear war, or worldwide civilian uprisings. I feel that people promising hope and an answer in times like these, with seemingly inside information, are either mocking us from on high or are trying to lul us into a false sense of security.

Hopefully after I go through all of the links I will have changed my mind.

The infrastructure of the US is incredibly vulnerable, meaning that it's very easy to maintain leverage against them with relatively small force multipliers.

Hopefully after I go through all of the links I will have changed my mind.

Spez: Sorry, I tried. I don't want to rain on anybody's parade so I won't argue any of it but, I'm not a beliver in HLI.

There are 2000+ answers that take time to read and think about. I don't believe you are serious here and managed all that in one hour or so.

As a HLI fan, I'm just curious what turned you away? Not looking to argue any of it, just looking for differing opinions.

What makes this person think they are at the top of the pyramid of knowledge? How do they know they are not being fed mistruths by someone higher than them?

Excellent post. I was also skeptical at first, but I'm thinking that this guy is legit. I'd love to see another question session; although he mentioned in one post that they were accelerating their plans so he may be busy.

I think what sold me on him was the fact that he presented solutions. "Run surveillance on elites. Acquire agency. Break the Overton window. Build a space elevator."

I've read the Jaynes book but I'm still trying to pin down what he means when he talks about consciousness. The closest definition he gave was to be able to perceive the interconnectedness of minds. Have you or anybody else made any progress on how to achieve it? I've found some leads that I'd be happy to share but I'm curious to see if anybody else has learned anything.

Have you or anybody else made any progress on how to achieve it?

Theres a lot of hoopla New Age shit about this but there's a breaking point essentially where your reality shatters and you come to an understanding that everything you have learned is a lie

This thread is fucking awesome. What a great dive into a flurry of fascinating ideas. Thanks, OP.

Does anyone else fee like space elevator is an esoteric nod to the Tower of Babel?

Just inquiring, not believing what I'm asking.

Entering space isn't healthy for the human body but if you put something up there conductive and with much surface to volume ratio then tether the whole thing to the surface with (iirc molybdenum) ribbon then you can use the difference in potential to do electrical things

Wouldn't you need many elevators to spread the power over major population centers? Electrical transmission is not free or perfect. We would need at least a dozen lines going to major cities, right?

I'm suspicious of his praise for Hamilton, who was by far the worst of all the founding fathers in my opinion. Prototype for today's globalist banker elite.

So... if this is correct, then the $10 billion laundered through BoNY is the same money that was laundered when Bill Clinton/John Podesta/Anatoly Chubais pushed the IMF to loan Russia money.

With the help of the user who introduced me to the anon in the first place (s/o u/darkomantis!)

:)

Not far-fetched to me. While I may disagree with some of the details, the high-level concepts in the original post match exactly what I've come to believe. Such as:

1. There are many competing factions, and even more alliances between various factions.
2. In space, there are at least 4 factions and various alliances.
3. Some want new tech to come out to help people, some don't.
4. Some want more knowledge of spirituality and our real human history to come out, some don't.
5. There is a high level elite class that does want to make sure humans are easily manipulated slaves.
6. Almost all factions are part of the CIA, FBI, NSA and global elite to some extent, but the CIA is one of the worst, and the most against individual freedom.
7. Some factions are trying to reduce over population to save humanity as a race. They mean well for the group, but this requires a lot of individual people to die though.
8. There is help from ETs but the help is via sharing knowledge, and otherwise very minimal.

There is help from ETs but the help is via sharing knowledge, and otherwise very minimal.

I'm going to disappoint you. No way that HLI would agree with your opinion as he repeatedly asserted that there are no extraterrestrials around the Earth. Time to grow up from alien fairy tales.

Sorry but disinfo. Never did he say number 2 and number 8.

Wait what? I'm not talking about what "High level insider" has mentioned in the title said. I'm talking about all sources that I've seen. My comment was to see how much in my comment correlates with what High Level Insider said.

Ya you said:

the high-level concepts in the original post match exactly what I've come to believe. Such as:

You said matches exactly, which isn't true. I'm assuming it was just the wrong word choice though, but just wanted to make sure people reading didn't mistake it with HLI.

You're right. I tend to add additional details to my posts just for FYI, but sometimes I don't make that clear. I was trying to list what I had heard from other sources, much (but not all) that matched what HLI said.

All good brother. Either way, HLI is an awesome read :)

You say this guy has 'credible' answers

The pyramid is remarkable only in the sense of the remarkable fall man has experienced in the intervening period, not so much a remarkable achievement in itself.

IMHO this is a load of BS ... we still don't have the 'technology' needed to build the pyramids

The sole fact we cannot cut stone with the same level of precision we see all over the world. It's easy to say

All that stuff about the pyramid being some magical power plant or some such is a distraction.

Yeah, then answer the fucking question rather than saying it's "a distraction"

sorry OP but IMHO HH made more 'sense'

THAT is a great website. I don't agree with half of it, but there are months' worth of rabbit holes to go down.

Hmmm... I am not familiar with that site. I will have a look.

Yes, me from a year ago would think that me today is completely insane. I used to not care about politics, but I did this time because of Bernie. I had no idea where it would lead me... LOL.

And he says: "read my book so that you are not deceived."( https://youtu.be/gmmfmCdqzbQ?t=1h12m00s ).

What if he is the one who is wrong due to literal interpretation of the bible? .

Don't you find it concerning? (asking u/EagleOfAmerica again).