You mean r/politics 2.0?

This sub is nothing like /r/politics . What are you talking about?

I see tons of Trump Russia conspiracy stuff which is a totally disproven MSM farce that dominates r/politics as well as just articles bitching generally about the tweeter in chief. I'd say this sub is pretty 50/50 these days

1. For every Trump-Russia post I see here, there's five posts about Clinton/Podesta.

2. You're upset that people post about a conspiracy in /r/conspiracy ? Or should they only post conspiracies that you specifically like?

I just see a lot of posts that should be in r/politics and never would have shown up here six months ago. Let me go look and list them...

sorry that your echo chamber doesn't extend as far as you would like.

get over it.

No clue what you're talking about. I'm actually arguing for less of an echo chamber with more diversity of posts.

no you are NOT lol.

you are arguing for more posts that are in line with your personal ideology.

Sorry buddy. Not going to happen.

I don't think you get it - I have mixed feelings towards lots of conspiracies, but I would like more diversity (more stuff about Trump, since those aren't covered well here).

oh we get it... we know exactly what you are saying lol.

I see tons of Trump Russia conspiracy stuff which is a totally disproven MSM farce

Oh boy, you're going to be in for a big surprise when this all comes to a head

We'll see.

You know there's an investigation ongoing, right? The msm can't make up Mueller's job.

What is he investigating? There's no evidence of hacking, no evidence of collusion. Nothing..no one's presented anything that cloud be investigated, it's all been debunked already

Then what are they investigating? Are you claiming the Mueller is putting on some kind of pretend show for partisan reasons? That seems like a bit of a stretch as Mueller is a Republican, appointed by Bush. Perhaps your narrative is the one thats flawed?

He's putting on a pretend investigation on behalf of the bi-partisan establishment. He's hoping to find "process crimes" or unrelated financial dirt

r/politics is the most horrific sub on this site.

It's an echo chamber of bullshit. You want this place to be the same for you and your cronies?

Get the hell out of here then. You will not be missed or remembered you cry baby.

Get the hell out of here then.

Lmao how can you possible (1) decry echo chambers and then (2) ask someone who disagrees with you to leave /r/conspiracy . Don't you see how doing (2) leads to (1)?

disagree all you want lol.

but don't cry when you don't get your own way.

it's adorable... adorable.

Lmao have you ever tried actually responding to what someone's saying instead of being a condescending prick?

"WAAAHHHH!! someone disagrees with me! Make them go away!! WAAAHHHHH!!!!"

Muh racism! Muh bigotry!

Are you denying that that dude was pretty bigoted?

Define your terms.

Is racism and bigotry wrong or bad?

What?

Do you believe that racism and bigotry is morally and ethically wrong or bad?

Define your terms.

Racism and bigotry needs to be defined?

It's what he says when backed into a corner.

Love your work btw

You never miss a chance to say something anti-trump, do you

My comment has nothing to do with Trump, and if I want to praise one thing about Trump is that self deportation is sky rocketing, which is a good thing, and I hope he sparks genuine immigration reform. I'm sure there plenty else I could praise him for.

But, my last comment that you replied to has nothing to with him nor was I implying I was talking about Trump.

You may answer the original question if you like or we can continue forum sliding

No thanks to a certain mod for inviting them all over with a fucking stickied post, either.

Let it go. Lefts think this place is hard right. Rights think this place is hard left.

What idiotic person on the right would think of this place as 'hard left'?

We hear it all the time.

Tbf, the current "left" wobbles between right and hard right lol. Don't tell em.

nope... it does not.

unless the truth has a bias to the right lol.

Are you kidding me? If Obama was still in office and doing the shit Trump did, /r/conspiracy would cover it wall to wall 24/7, but because it's a Republican, /r/conspiracy ignores it as much as possible.

Are you kidding me? Obama bombed more countries than any other President. Are you literally retarded?

Obama was the worst.

Obama was the worst.

Eh, I can think of much, much worse presidents lol. At least I have healthcare and my gay friends can get married. Gotta appreciate the little progress.

and Obama had to be led by the dick to get any of those.

He didn't push for the end of Don't ask don't tell... he never championed gay rights until everyone had... and the Obamacare fiasco is a fucking joke.

Nice progress you think you have there. He was a corporate piece of shit. He is constitutional lawyer as well... so he knew EXACTLY how fucked up what he was doing really was.

I don't care how he had to be led there - I'm just glad he did a lot of the things he did. Hell, even if he did nothing I would've been glad he didn't actively try to hurt poor people like the current GOP president is doing.

tell that to the people who couldn't keep their trusted physicians liek they were told they could.... tell that to the people who had their premiums double or triple... give me a break.

He destroyed Healthcare... and he would have decimated the middle class with the TPP.

You do realize that less than 10 years ago, Obama literally said he does not believe your friends should get married, right?

I do realize that, but better late than never.

No, you mean "better late than holy shit if I don't suddenly change my stance on gay marriage, I'm going to lose this election." You really think his whole mind change about the merits? No. He's was bigoted towards it then and he's bigoted towards it now just like every other candidate that flip flopped.

Fun fact: Donald Trump is the first president in American history to enter office pro gay marriage.

1. I don't really care why he changed his mind - I just cared that he did. I'm a results-oriented person.

2. Actions speak louder than words. Trump selected Pence as his running mate. That's all that needs to be said about that.

I'm sure "that's all that needs to be said." Because you need to be results oriented. If you were merits oriented than your entire reasoning would fall right apart. At least Pence has a belief and stuck to it. You support politicians with values that flop in the wind and change like the seasons.

Why would I want a politician to hold onto a harmful position if there's a better one? Obama probably changed his mind because it was politically advantageous to so - no debate here. But he could've said, "No, I already said one thing, so I'll stick to it." This would've been harmful, and by coming out in support of gay marriage he added a lot of legitimacy to the movement.

Pence has a disgusting, backwards, bigoted attitude towards homosexuals. By condoning disgusting practices like conversion therapy, he was actively contributing to the mental deterioration of young men and women. I wish he would change his mind - I don't particularly care why.

You are missing the fundamental question. If Pence is all of those things, then what was Obama and Hillary? How do they really feel about the issue? Do you or any other person really know? No. All you have to go on is a stance. A politically motivated stance. Yet you still seem to have no problem taking moral high ground on the issue even though you have no true idea what the politicians you vote for really believe about a topic.

Was Obamas attitude disgusting, backwards and bigoted as well? What is the threshold for such allegations? Can Pence fix all of that in your mind if he simply says "I'm for it now?" Or will "results oriented" suddenly go out the window?

There is a vast difference between saying "Marriage is between a man and a woman" and saying "It's okay to perform conversion therapy on young, impressionable men and women in order to force them into another sexuality."

While I think the former is backwards, it is not nearly as harmful as the latter. If Pence were to change his mind right now, I would have more respect for him. It wouldn't undue the bad things he caused, but it might lead to better things in the future.

Omg when is the left going to give up on this stupid conversion therapy lie?

Politifacf source:

http://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2016/dec/02/gavin-newsom/pences-support-conversion-therapy-not-settled-matt/

Trump has far outpaced him in the first 6 months. If something doesn't drastically change, Trump will have dropped all 8 years worth of Obama's bombs in his first two.

No he has not lol. Show me the numbers on that lololol.

Oh, I was wrong, it'll be 1.5 years before he passes up Obama's 8: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/trump-is-ordering-airstrikes-at-5-times-the-pace-obama-did-2017-4

This article is bullshit. Compare this to the amount of ground and numbers terrorists organizations gained under the Obama administration and I'd guarantee you'll see that the bomb:terrorist ratio balances pretty fairly.

Article mentions nothing about needing more fire power due to more enemies and more strongholds.

This article is bullshit. Compare this to the amount of ground and numbers terrorists organizations gained under the Obama administration and I'd guarantee you'll see that the bomb:terrorist ratio balances pretty fairly.

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/timeline-rise-and-spread-the-islamic-state

ISIS territory and numbers are vastly diminished now compared to almost any point during the Obama administration.

I don't remember saying shit about ISIS territory. Maybe try a third bullshit article?

So what terrorist organizations were you referring to? Or are you just going to call every disproving piece of evidence "bullshit?"

Wow. It's almost as if you are just finding out today the after Bush wrecked the progress being made in the Middle East, Hillary and Obama came in and destroyed any sort of government and order they had left.

If you can't see how terror and extremism in the ME is at its highest in about 50 years post B.O., then my friend, you've got some reading up to do well beyond this conversation.

If you're going to call what Bush did in the ME "progress," starting a massive war that toppled multiple governments, and place the blame entirely at the feet of BO and Hillary we can't have a reasonable, fact-based discussion. America's involvement in the ME for the past 20 years has done almost nothing positive for anyone there involved. Bush bumbled in there with no clear plan to appease the Hawks, and Obama just leveled the homes of innocent civilians. There's a reason terrorists say "Death to America" and not "Death to the Democrats" or "Death to Bush." They all do the same shit.

I would read my comment again because that's quite the opposite of what I said.

That was a slick edit my friend. We're arguing about nothing, we're quite in agreement with each other.

A slick edit? Wtf are you talking about. You straight up misread my comment and blamed me for editing lmao. We aren't in agreement. You are claiming terrorism is at a low point under Obama which is a blatant lie.

You can believe me or not, but that did confuse me. I'm not claiming that terrorism is at a low point under Obama, but the airstrike campaign coupled with ME forces on the ground has drastically reduced the territory and control that ISIS has over region. I can send you some more information proving that if you want. The stabilization of the ME is a completely different story, but I'm just not sure what "strongholds" of terrorism you're referring to.

Admittedly, I edited the word "the" to "that" in the first sentence.

I guess you've never said something about Bernie Sanders on a popular post and then watch how far you get downvoted.

If it wasn't the case, why is everyday a constant bicker fest between both sides?

I can only remember how it was back before August of 2016, ever since then it's been bitching and bickering non-stop about which side has the best bots

Like I said

Amen.

How dare Trump supporters subscribe to more than one subreddit. This is the real conspiracy, sheeple.

They probably don't do the same shit because cute animals and politics don't butt heads in today's climate. Conspiracies and politics do. Crazy stuff.

I think you meant go hand in hand... conspiracies and politics go hand in hand. It's human nature.

Personal political identity and conspiracy theories might be at odds, but even thats subjective since everyone subscribes to their own brand of conspiracy theories these days.

Especially now that the Chinese dog meat festival is over.

I comment there sometimes. Us at r/aww have a love for animals.

I rarely see people called out for posting in /esist or any of the dozens of Trump hate subs.

But seeing 'go back to t_d' or 't_d2.0' is common.. I wonder why?

That's cute. Learn how to sort a sub.

Wew lad. Thanks. I don't share your sentiment though. There does seem to be a lot of trump supporters here, and that's fine. But I wouldn't go as far as to call it 2.0. But to be fair, I mostly check new and rising.

I agree. I take it all with a grain of salt. Accept "knowledge", look at the big picture, and come to your own conclusions. This sub seems RELATIVELY uncensored and I appreciate that. There's going to be a lot of bullshit on the journey to truth. Good luck.

Actually no. This sub has become a default for the independents. /r/politics used to be a good sounding board for us. We lean toward truth, and Trump has more truth going on his side then the establishment media. I used to love this sub for 9/11, UFOs and more conspiracy based stuff. After this election cycle politics became CTR and share blue, so many of us came here. It's sad that conspiracy became everyday politics and even worse that the supposed 4th branch of our government (the press), would rather lie for money then present the truth.

Go over to politics right now, there's something on people's belief in the Russia story, the top comment isn't about truth, it's about how the DNC can push the narrative better. It's talking points, that's not real people talking politics, that's people pushing an agenda. Please stop comparing people who sometimes agree with the right or the left, but really hate both as aligning with any group.

We lean toward truth, and Trump has more truth going on his side then the establishment media

He is a literal billionaire oligarch and the most powerful elite politician on the planet. He is every this sub has been afraid of forever standing in front of them in human form.

But he puts on a baseball cap, eats KFC and uses the word "bitch" so he's one of us, right? Is that all it takes?

Who tf cares who the voice of conspiracy is. We have a literal conspiracy theorist in the White House who has brought numerous issues out of the dark into mainstream. I would never be here in the first place had it not be for his campaign. I think he has facilitated an awakening and people are getting wise to the dirty shit our government has been involved in. If trump has to be the man to help people jumpstart their awakening then so be it. We have terms like deep state and shadow government casually thrown around which would have been labeled as Tin foil trash a very very short time ago.

Yep, thanks for taking a portion of my statement, using it out of context and then trying to make a point you want making. I believe that's journalism 2.0, working found clicks rather then truth. It's the class right after copy/paste research.

You are correct Trump is a billionaire piece of shit! Terrible for the environment, isn't clearing the swamp and I find many of his policies and actions appalling. But I find CNN reporting made up bullshit and trying to doxx a user even worse for the moment.

The bad guys are going to slide this, but I think you mostly have the right of it here. My instinct is to remove posts like this that attack and mischaracterize the sub like this. I don't in the interest of free speech, but these posts are cancer to our troubled little playground here.

I agree with you, including wanting to remove it. If you were to do that, it'd create a flood of posts about how the mods are censoring anything that isn't pro Trump.

For now, many first-time commenters are contained within the confines of this post and it will most likely provide another bonanza for tagging after it's been up 8+ hours (just looking for the positive here), so it's all good.

My wife calls me Captain Bright-side because I hopelessly try to find the good part in like everything haha, so good on you. And as far as the "mods are censoring" shit, we can literally make no move that will not draw the same attention from some faction. So on the one side I really have no fucks to give. The CTR related ones are obviously the most virulently toxic. When I first joined on they said I would need thick skin, and I do, but the real hard part is the powerlessness in serving the sub's best interests (the way I see it) and not killing the freedom of what is being accomplished here.

So, it is a constant game of second guessing. And I don't feel like I am the brightest or most rational person around, so even I question ever move I make, and so often probably go too far in trying to serve fairness. The comments that say we protect the CTR shills are actually the most accurate. This is how it seems to end up, because they are more organized and disciplined in their strategy of interaction. They tiptoe around rules, and assist each other in manufacturing their synthetic consensus. They don't have to invest emotionally because it is just a job. So they have a much easier time walking in and out of contentious subjects because there is no emotional cost.

Trump is the establishment media.

Things have changed.

rump has more truth going on his side

literally retarded

Yeah Fucking auto correct and me swiping. I wrote it while working and just read it again and that one part is terrible. Sorry. Basic point is still there.

Then you have the mods using Donald Trump's bullshit definition of "Fake News" on the sidebar.

"Fake News" is a term for things that are completely made up. The reason CNN is such an effective bias machine is because they source their stories in factual information. This goes for every other MSM outlet. 99.9% of information received from the MSM is verifiable fact. The issue is that you're only seeing the facts that they want you to see. Calling CNN fake news is 100% unfiltered Trumpian propaganda

Then you have the mods using Donald Trump's bullshit definition of "Fake News" on the sidebar.

"Fake News" is a term for things that are completely made up. The reason CNN is such an effective bias machine is because they source their stories in factual information. This goes for every other MSM outlet. 99.9% of information received from the MSM is verifiable fact. The issue is that you're only seeing the facts that they want you to see. Calling CNN fake news is 100% unfiltered Trumpian propaganda

Idiotic logic.

"Well I know this is a big deal and it's wrong for CNN to do that but talking about it somehow helps Trump so we shouldn't talk about it." 😂

Dur.

There's no problem with the_d users being members of this sub. There is a problem when members of that sub manipulate this one into supporting their narratives and worldviews exclusively. If the front page here ever looked identical to r/politics, I would say the same thing.

Does anyone think it was coincidental that the_d shut down for "maintenance" during the height of the Seth Rich theory resuscitation via Rod Wheeler/Ed Butowsky/Hannity/Fox News? And this subs front page was flooded with 15+ posts about the same exact topic? Same as this CNN meme BS distraction controversy in that regard, although as far as free speech issues go, I'll side with the_d in general while acknowledging racist bullshit is terrible-- freedom of speech, not free from consequences or reaction to speech. Slippery slope, I know.

After the CNN thing, I saw multiple posts on there along the lines of "remember CNN isn't the only fake news". Two of them even listed at least 10-15 other news organizations and called for people to not watch them. It's like they are trying to kill all news.

They are. It's a standard authoritarian tactic. They're working to divorce their base from any alternative viewpoints, making them dependent on the party for their concept of reality. It's all happened before, the pattern is easy to recognize.

And no, I'm not saying everyone here should trust everything CNN says. But radicalism in the opposite direction is just as bad, if not worse.

well, tbh in this time and age if you don't listen to the new your uninformed, but if you do listen to the news your misinformed.

That's because Trump has the largest team of paid internet shills and bots of any leader in history.

They seems to all target one place at a time to influence, seemingly beginning with 4Chan a couple years ago to begin forming their "E-Army" from the outcasts of society using simple picture / neurolinguistic programming. Add a dash of paid actors that look like they can related to the typical 4Chan user (or paid actors they find attractive) and you have brainwashed plenty of people that spend 20 hours a day online.

Then they moved to other outlets and used their new recruits to begin creating "memes" and spending their 20 hours online a day attacking, trolling, belittling, or otherwise converting the other outcasts of society.

This also explains why people from so many facets of the outer limits of fringe society supported Trump. The anime geeks, the hard right facists, the weirdos, the furries, etc. They were pulled the easiest because they are most dependant on something to cling to.

Or maybe there's just a lot of Trump supporters here?

Ah that good ol "Donald 2.0" line "THEY DONT LIKE WHAT I LIKE...:C. D-D-D-Donald 2.0.!!!!!!" Get over it. Leave if you don't like the content. You don't see us bitching in R/politics

This has entirely missed the real issue, whether it's here or elsewhere. The way to change the narrative is to have things that are actually worth discussing. I recently subbed to t_d to see what exactly everyone here with posts like these keep referring to, you presented something "controversial" that actually appealed to my curiousity. I came to this sub because I like conspiracy, I like to hear all views, even if I disagree. However, there is zero to discuss about Trump and Russia colluding for the purposes of the election, as has been stated many times, even if he would've done so, that in and of itself is not illegal anyway.

Poor Dumb-O-Craps upset that they can't control every single sub. Lol

Trump wants you not to watch CNN interview Elmo about Syrian refugees. You seem like a agent provocateur who coincidentally got on all. Hypothetically if I was to identify you based on your comment history, publishing that info is against the EULA and I could be banned. Funny how NOW you arrive to deflect any attention from CNN.

TL:DR CNN shill tries to Jedi mindtrick /r/conspiracy

I say with 98% certainty that you are a CNN shill. I could investigate further if you like but we both know that won't be pretty.

Okay Kevin. Thanks for permission.

Now, if only CNN would put as much energy into doxxing pedophiles instead of blindly dismissing it as "fake news..."

My point is, there is no justification for what CNN did. Just because we may not agree with the person'a post history, doesn't mean it's ok to doxx them. Conversely, just because a person has bigoted posts on the internet, doesn't mean they're actually a bigot.

Fair point,My issue isn't with the labeling, it's with using the label to justify slandering/coercing them.

That's fair, and thanks for the input! It's when situations escalate to using the label to justify harmful actions towards the individual, that's when I have issue. For example, I have a friend (tall white and skinny) with a Jainist swastika scarification. You better believe he's been persecuted for it ever since. Most people say he gets what he deserves for trying to use a symbol like that, when it obviously could be mistaken for a Nazi swastika. I like the idea of a world where we seek understanding, rather than assuming.

Totally, well said.

FFS, everything is always a "distraction" to you. You are the one distracting.

This sub is about conspiracies outside the mainstream.

Russia and all that are mainstream, the media is trying to overturn any and everything about Trump.

The non mainstream conspiracies are the ones that "defend" Trump or go after things not Trump....

This sub has never cared about mainstream conspiracies, just because it doesn't know doesn't mean it's Thedonald 2.0

Trump draining the swamp! https://i.redd.it/xmx00432x0ly.jpg

Oh, I was wrong, it'll be 1.5 years before he passes up Obama's 8: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/trump-is-ordering-airstrikes-at-5-times-the-pace-obama-did-2017-4

Do you believe that racism and bigotry is morally and ethically wrong or bad?

I think you meant go hand in hand... conspiracies and politics go hand in hand. It's human nature.

Personal political identity and conspiracy theories might be at odds, but even thats subjective since everyone subscribes to their own brand of conspiracy theories these days.

Especially now that the Chinese dog meat festival is over.

He's not wrong, for some reason liberals bitch when they enter a sub mostly plated with righties but they literally control the site. It's pretty tasteless.