I do think NK is being used for some goal either in the region or just in general with regards to the military industrial complex, like a chess move played out years ago to be the next war, like Iran and Russia are as well.

NK borders China, so there is a strategic interest for the West to control that country. Plus, they do not have a Rothschild controlled bank.

Ding ding ding nailed it. Not to mention the 7 trillion dollars of rare earth resources they just announced yesterday.

China supports North Korea because it needs it as a buffer from American military power in South Korea and Japan. If the US fights North Korea, then we risk severe consequences from China--economic or worse. We won't do anything about North Korea no matter how much sabre-rattling is going on until we're ready to battle with China.

Additionally, nobody wants to deal with the massive refugee crisis that will happen if North Korea's government falls. China doesn't want that mess and neither does South Korea.

But yet the war-mongering and provoking continue so it serves somebodies interest for what is happening and being reported to us.

I think Trump and Un are secretly allies. Un may secretly not want to be leader anymore and is kind of wanting the US to take over seeing how nice SK has it. Truth right now is stranger than fiction.

All of the supposed defectors that I've seen appear to be lying. They appear to either be actual defectors who were paid or pressured into lying, or South Koreans posing as North Korean defectors.
The first-hand accounts for which there is video evidence, rather than just someone's statement, just show a country that (again - in my opinion) has been forced into a state of relative poverty and militancy by a nearly constant western threat. If you look at North Korea in the 70's you can see the direction they were heading in. They would have developed into a modern enriched society. We got another glimpse of their true nature in the late 90's when Clinton established agreements with them which caused them to believe that the U.S. no longer wanted to destroy them.
The reality is that western powers will not tolerate any country that does not bend to their will; that does not permit the central banking system and western corporations to set up shop in their country. This is why the U.S. military is currently being used to invade the Middle East. They are demonizing, invading and overthrowing the governments of every country that does not bend to the will of western powers. It has nothing to do with 'democracy' or morals/ethics and never has. That is just what the CIA/Pentagon mouthpiece (mainstream media) tells us to keep us supporting their invasions and keep our children enlisting in the military.

Try to bump this to the top. Original OP's points are nearly spot on. I would say the poverty in North Korea is no myth. These missile tests may be a myth, or just the last jabs of the last nation willing to challenge the god (typo at first) ol' USA.

Was thinking lately that part of the disconnect between american citizens had to do with all of us consciously or subconsciously knowing we are the bad guys

Why would they have turned into a modern enriched society if not for the west? They've always had horrific prison camps and were reliant on support from the USSR,when that collapsed you got the mass starvation

I think NK is probably on some weird shit that we would find different....but...who cares? Yah he brainwashes his people but they seem cool with it and it's not hurting anyone/us so fuck it. We gotta stop being the world police....

Long story short NK isn't a threat to us it's just another scam so the USA can steal another country.

People who get brain washed tend to be cool with it. It's sorta the point, no?

Pretty much.

There is a lot of military posturing on all sides right now but nobody wants a war in North Korea. They have artillery aimed at high population areas in South Korea that would cause mass casualties within minutes of a war started.

But North Korea is one of the worst places on earth to live. I'd say they are close to Orwell's 1984. In their political prisons, it's even worse. This is a good book to give you a glimpse inside of one. It's from a guy who was born in one of those prisons but made it out and eventually escaped..

I have a friend who is from there and just got here 4 years ago. U have no idea what your talking about. Talk to A honeSt person who lived there and isn't an idiot and u will see the truth man. I thought the same before hearing how things are first hand.

The defector in Escape from Camp 14 recanted parts of his story .

I recommend reading Nothing to Envy instead, which is about daily life in North Korea.

Thanks for the article and book recommendation. I wasn't aware of that and adding that one to my to-read list.

Nuclear Threats and the New World Order by Michio Kaku, 1992

I think about it all the time:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/dennis-rodman-kim-jong-un-like-anybody-loves-america-else-dujour-interview-a7722366.html

Stopped reading at Kuckrea, can't take anyone serious when they use cuck.

It's funny because he calls for "cleaning yourself from propaganda from both sides" and "looking at things neutrally" but OP is clearly anti left.

I think that NK wants a deterrent to being invaded. It is something that several other countries wish they had.

Let's get this straight. The West has no humanitarian interest in helping the NK people from the NK regime. None whatsoever. They could care less about the suffering of the NK people. They could care less about the suffering of any people in any country, including the US.

It is all about power and control. The West wants control of that region of land, and they want to create a Rothschild controlled central bank. Same with Iran.

Of course, WE care about he plight of the NK people because WE are not psychopaths.

Couldn't care less*

"Could care less" implies we care, and we could go lower in how much we care.

Nazi!!!

Grammatik macht frei

LOL.

Dividing Korea was an agreement with the US and the USSR. The Korean war happened because Kim Il-Sung wanted to invade the south in 1949, but didn't receive support from the USSR or CCP, but did in 1950.

Oh stop. You are brainwashed. There is no threat. Just the allowance of threats to be "made and watched"

What about satellite photos showing NK is predominantly dark between two lit up countries?

Wut did NASA tell you that bro cmon

I agree with some of what you're saying. But you're off on a couple points. The US didn't invade Korea. Korea was split in two at the end of WWII when the US and Russian troops defeated the Japanese who had been occupying Korea. There was a race between the two new superpowers as everyone could see the end of WWII would mean a struggle for power beween the USSR and USA, and by proxy, Communism and Democracy.

The race ended with the two armies facing off at the 38th parallel, where the DMZ stands today. At the begining of the Korean war (which was importantly after the Chinese civil war had been won by the communists), the North invaded first and Allied US and SK forces were so unprepared we almost lost the whole penninsula before we start pushing the NK and Chinese "volunteers" back.

Although it's true that SK has a lot of problems with the government being corrupt, autocratic, etc. It isn't NK that is stopping SK from re-uniting with NK by force, at first it was the Soviets, and since the Korean war it also has been China. NK may not have raped as many South Koreans as US soldiers, but they are probably more concerned with the millions of troops just across the border than some rapes.

I think the main area that concerns this sub-Reddit is how artificial geo-political conflicts are and how the elite can change the lives of millions of people with the war on communism, "domino effect", war on drugs, terror etc.

I also think it is important to see that some things in the world and history are just random chances and that not everything is tied to a vast conspiracy (probably will get downvoted for this). But I think the Korea situation is a great example of this, if Japan had surrendered a little later or anything else had changed about the situation, the country would have been divided up somewhere else or not at all and the situation today would have been completely different.

Great post OP, thanks.

A common argument is that Kim Jong Un is crazy

I think a crazy regime with nuclear weapons would look like a mad dog. It would be threatening the whole world with policies such as "if my regime goes down I blow up the whole world". It'd also be overtly practicing terrorism, lauding the psychological impact of the destruction it inflicts as legitimate deterrent.

NK doesn't fit the description. I can't seem to think of a regime that does. Oh wait ... How could I almost forget.

Keeping a state in a region slightly unstable or undemocratic increases the possibility of conflict and creates an us versus them situation where the US plays big brother and puts a military base on your land to keep the peace that they don't want to ever fully happen. Playing peacekeeper while acting as an agent of chaos.

Hey Kim the new haircut is looking tight dawg.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NMr2VrhmFI

if anyone hasn't seen this, they should. it's not actually made by NK, but the points are strong.

You do know that the Korean war was started by the north? The US had to rush to defend it with troops stationed in Japan

FREE NKR!

NK borders China, so there is a strategic interest for the West to control that country. Plus, they do not have a Rothschild controlled bank.

China supports North Korea because it needs it as a buffer from American military power in South Korea and Japan. If the US fights North Korea, then we risk severe consequences from China--economic or worse. We won't do anything about North Korea no matter how much sabre-rattling is going on until we're ready to battle with China.

Additionally, nobody wants to deal with the massive refugee crisis that will happen if North Korea's government falls. China doesn't want that mess and neither does South Korea.