Hand out Glocks with every vaccination?

No more guns. Free battle axe or sword of your choosing with every vaccination.

We can get ISIS to do the video promoting it.

Good idea.

Except people can still make guns with simple metal and plastic crafting.

There will always be guns because they have already been invented.

Yea but we're going to slowly condition society back to hand to hand combat.

Awesome.

You and me will know how to kill someone effectively with an axe,

And Jerome will still run up and shoot us with his 9mm.

Idk why I'm getting shot, I'll be a master swordsman. A 9mm ain't shit jerome is shooting pellets. You and your boy Billy Bob can get shot on your own terms.

Indigo will be able to deflect bullets like jedi's by this point, so Jerome will get his own 9mm to the face.

Shit you right.

What was I thinking.

You overestimated Jeromes 9mm and underestimated Indigo' swordsmanship.

Now go my son, learn the ways of the blade so that you too can fuck Jerome' shit up. May the force be with you.

They will be no match for our lightsabre-esque katanas!

The streets will run red with Jerome's blood and all will know us as the 3(00) who stood and fought this day.

Me: You bring the Iphones and heads of conquered citizens to my city steps. You insult my Coffee shops. You threaten my people with slavery and death! Oh, I've chosen my words carefully, Jerome. Perhaps you should have done the same!

Jerome: This is blasphemy! This is madness!

Me: Madness...?

[shouting]

Me: This is Bill, Zigora and Indigo the bullet dodgers!

Interesting perspective!

A few differences jump out at me. The big one is that herd immunity is easier and safer to achieve than "armed populace immunity," to coin a label. Standardized vaccines get immunity rates up into the 90s easily and with very, very few side effects. (Based on my study of the VICP and post-licensure safety studies conducted by independent researchers.)

I don't know how many people would have to be armed to achieve some threshold of API, but it would likely entail arming people who frankly I would rather not carry publicly. I don't go to the range often, but I do shoot sometimes, and damn, some people are more into the idea of carrying/using a gun than they are into the boring details of how to do it safely. I don't think it's a huge public safety risk for safe, reasonable gun owners to carry, but if we were to ramp up the number of carriers that might change.

Another difference is the reliability of the respective immunities. Herd immunity just plain works--we've actually eliminated entire diseases, and made others vanishingly rare. Has comprehensive carry eliminated crime anywhere? I think the effect concealed carry has on crime rates is still disputed, whereas no experts dispute the utility of herd immunity (that I'm aware of).

Interesting analogy though!

"Backers of laws that let pretty much all law-abiding people carry concealed guns in public places often argue that these laws will sometimes enable people to stop mass shootings. Opponents occasionally ask: If that’s so, what examples can one give of civilians armed with guns stopping such shootings? Sometimes, I hear people asking if even one such example can be found, or saying that they haven’t heard of even one such example."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/04/20/uber-driver-with-gun-apparently-stops-would-be-mass-shooter-have-civilians-stopped-such-mass-shootings-before/?utm_term=.dacefdbb27a7

further research: https://crimeresearch.org/2016/09/uber-driver-in-chicago-stops-mass-public-shooting/

Oh come on, like 99% of these "mass shooters" weren't either MKUltra victims, or completely faked events?

Thanks. The challenge is that we can't detect instances of someone who would have shot someone but didn't because they didn't have/couldn't get a gun.

Challenge accepted.

Suzanna Hupp ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzanna_Hupp ) and her parents were having lunch at the Luby's Cafeteria in Killeen in 1991 when a mass shooting took place. The gunman, George Hennard, shot 44 people in all, killing 24 of them, including himself. The fatally wounded included both of Hupp's parents. Hupp later expressed regret about deciding to remove her gun from her purse and lock it in her car, lest she risk possibly running afoul of the state's concealed weapons laws; during the shootings, she reached for her weapon but then remembered that it was "a hundred feet away in my car.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgrIsuO5PLc

People who are genuine serial murderers/Mass shooting candidates will not be detered by a law banning arms.

Hmmm I was going to shoot a bunch of kids today but the law says I can't own a gun legally... Suppose I will just give it a miss then, let's see whats on the radio.

I don't think it's about making people change their mind as much as making firearms less available, limiting the capacity to carry out their plans and restricting impulse shootings.

I really haven't studied this question, and don't have a strong opinion. I'm opposed to gun bans for legal/liberty reasons; I've yet to see really good evidence that more guns and/or fewer guns prevent crime to a large degree.

interesting comparison! i'd say you've identified a metric. the "capacity of the cohort to defend itself in a distributed way" metric. herd immunity is a real thing - it can be predicted using contagious rates - it's just a math concept relating to transmissibility. it is a valid concept. what the contagion rate of someone with a gun is - that's an interesting number to imagine. it could model out to provide some predictions as to how many people should carry percentage wise.

i don't think it's completely analogous to the contagion model - that would be more along the lines of "how many times could someone with a gun fabricate another gun to pass along".

Sorry Charlie. Chemically induced herd immunity has been repeatedly debunked:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8053748

“Implications of vaccination and waning immunity J.M. Heffernan, M.J. Keeling http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/276/1664/2071

i'm not arguing the legitimacy of herd immunity from vax AT ALL. i'm arguing the mathematical predictive model of transmission and what certain thresholds are. the vax thing is an entirely different ball of wax, mostly because the herd immunity math thresholds are almost never ever met within the cohort. if immunity waned that would also fuck with those thresholds. so yeah, i agree with you.

Have you actually looked at that paper? It's pointing out that because measles is insanely contagious, and the measles vaccine isn't as effective as other vaccines, measles can't currently be eradicated like polio or smallpox. But herd immunity still works.

Saying it's been "debunked" is pretty bizarre given that not a single epidemiologist agrees with you. Of the people who actually study this question, as far as I can tell 100% of them agree that herd immunity works.

...neither of those articles actually back up your point.

Except carrying a firearm is a right in the Constitution, while forced vaccinations are not a power granted to Congress under the same document.

The Supreme Court disagrees, FYI.

The Supreme Court is not infallible.

Nor do they disagree with what I said. The Supreme Court has struck down several blanket bans on ownership and carrying of guns, including DC and Chicago. They've also stated pretty clearly that you have at least a right to open carry .

The sole purpose for vaccinations is to inject a slow working poison.

The analogy is not quite right.

No more guns. Free battle axe or sword of your choosing with every vaccination.

Idk why I'm getting shot, I'll be a master swordsman. A 9mm ain't shit jerome is shooting pellets. You and your boy Billy Bob can get shot on your own terms.

Indigo will be able to deflect bullets like jedi's by this point, so Jerome will get his own 9mm to the face.

I don't think it's about making people change their mind as much as making firearms less available, limiting the capacity to carry out their plans and restricting impulse shootings.

I really haven't studied this question, and don't have a strong opinion. I'm opposed to gun bans for legal/liberty reasons; I've yet to see really good evidence that more guns and/or fewer guns prevent crime to a large degree.