It goes both ways dude

Exactly. It is a shame how much people whine about this place being td2.0 when clearly...

It goes both ways dude

How many US government officials have dual citizenship with Russia?

Is there any well sourced list of dual citizens in the USG? I saw the same list I think everyone did, but is there something more authoritative?

Haven't dove into it. Plates really full with Syria and Yemen.

The world is just so fucky man.

Does Russia allow dual citizenship?

Do your own research

Somehow i don't think trumprusconspiracy will do that.

Lol, nice cop out.

see it however you wish...

Do your own research

I'm full of shit

Same thing. Enjoy your day.

U mad bro?

Not his syle. He responds to questions with a different question and without addressing the original question. Question dodging. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Question_dodging

Lavrov's daughter has it.

"To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."

I've been told by Trump supporters that we shouldn't criticize Russia

Me too

I promise you that the op will not realize the irony of him using that quote.

There's a lot of deep irony in a lot of threads revelry. I love pointing them out

What is the irony?

I've literally never seen someone say that.

Here you go

Still dont see it

High level insider

Where?

High level insider

Still don't see it. Can you link it. Not that it changes anything

Who gives a shit? How is that relevant? "Somebody said something stupid once so therefore russia"

That's not what I was implying. I was just using Tacomano's logic

That's not his logic.

You think russia rules over us? You can criticize them all day long, the msm does it all the time. Isreal is the country that has the infulence over us. You pissed about the deal trump made with Saudi Arabia? Thank israel for that. While you guys are focused on russia, the US, Israel and Saudi Arabia are making plans to wipe out syria. Why do you think we are destroying the ME? It's because of isreal, we are there bitch. Go and try and criticize isreal, have fun being labeled an anti-semite. Russia and trump created fake news about Hillary, this is the infulence they have over us, I mean really? Go look into zionism and the greater isreal project, look into a real conspiracy.

The logic is flawed to begin with, and I was just pointing it out.

How so?

Think about it some more from another perspective

What from msm perspective?

Any perspective other than your own. Think outside the box. Open your mind

What are you talking about? You just told me to stop thinking for myself and let someone else form my own opinion. Do you understand anything I said earlier about israel? Have you even heard of the greater isreal project? Keep watching madow and feel like you have it all figured out.

I don't watch any tv show and I hate maddow

? Sounds pretty arbitrary. Firsthand accounts of real life trump supporters telling you not to criticize Russia?

I think you may be feeding into confirmation bias a bit here; or you're frequently involved in the most nonsensical toxic partisan debates on the planet. I don't know how long you've been in this sub but those of us who were here long before the election saw right through that parroted msm excuse.

This whole thing doesn't seem a bit red scary to you? They want us to believe that our own government has our best interest at heart, so they make a boogeyman.

Not that Trump is by any means a decent human being, he's the perfect figure head for the military industrial complex to foster division in our own country. Divide and conquer.. Hillary would've been the same kind of political shitstorm. As soon as the primaries were decided America's fate was sealed. The nazis and the cia are equally ruthless

Commenters in different subs, threads and forums would all say that. I've debated with a few "Americans" that were obviously Russian, and they would sometime forget to remove Russian tags to their links or change the language from Russian.

Or if you mention how Russia invaded Ukraine or how Putin killed Russians in the apartment bombings, they'll come off as weirdly defnseive of him and Russia.

And it's not just on Reddit. I've seen it the NPR comment sections and especially on Fox News. There are two regulars in the Fox News comment sections, where they only come on at late night and constnantly attack liberals non stop like it's a script.

I've tried debating with them a few times, but they somehow always forget that they talked to me before, so I'm thinking it's multiple people using the accounts

I've been told by Trump supporters that we shouldn't criticize Russia

For something entirely made up. I love all the straw mans on this sub lately. You can really see the bots and paid posted just clamoring away. The establishment must be frightened right now if they are engaging in this much mis-direction & propaganda.

Right on 👍

But criticism of both Saudi Arabia and Isreal is pretty common.

Hell, this most recent arms deal with the Saudis is one of the first times in a long time that I've seen our relationship with them framed in a remotely positive light.

Trump is the first president to blatantly ignore the emoluments clause and not release his tax returns (at least since Nixon on the last one). So possible conflicts of interest will always be possible as he has refused to be transparent.

Because Saudi Arabia and Israel are in bed with the western Military Industrial Complex.

So is Russia. It's Kayfabe.

Then why do they move missile defense systems into Syria and kill US backed terrorists?

Weapons testing for their arms manufacturers

Hahhahaa. So nothing to do with the Iran-Saudi proxy war? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Saudi_Arabia_proxy_conflict

Nope. More Kayfabe. Globalist bankers control your dinky governments to make you believe you are looking at the real conflict.

All war is information warfare

All roads lead to Rothschild

Because this isn't about a conflict of interest or Russian collusion, the only ones that believe otherwise also believed Trump had a 98% of losing. The same people that rolled there eyes at a $1MM check from Qatar are pretending to care or have an understanding of conflicts of interest now.

because we saw an obvious propaganda campaign from russia to support the president. What does russia get in return?

we saw an obvious propaganda campaign from russia to support the president.

Who is this "we" you speak of? I saw nothing of the sort. Links to the actual propaganda?

Clint Watts:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4664397/clint-watts-3302017

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1705/23/cnr.04.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magazine/the-agency.html

A few months before trump won election, the same bots in the above story became Pro Trump Americans.

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

As for examples, the best ones come from fake websites that are removed after the damage is done.

"FBI agent suspected in Hillary email leaks found dead in apartment murder-suicide"

""ISIS leader calls for American Muslim voters to support Hillary Clinton"

"Pope Francis shocks world, endorses Donald Trump for president"

Thats the kind of stuff that, even if the headlines, fake stories, and fake websites dont originate from russia, the massive bot armies on fb and twitter endless RT it to spread it and lend it credibility.

Its just strange, because I'm on the internet a lot, I would think that I would have seen this Russia propaganda. Maybe some of it really is out there, who knows, but do I think it had any effect on the outcome of the election? Absolutely not.

You may not be aware of it because they pretend to be Americans in social media like Facebook twitter or reddit

So they are supposedly there, according to the CNN and NYT, but we nobody actually notices them? Do you think that the US has similar social media propaganda campaigns in Russia?

I'm sure we do.

are you not on twitter? bots are all over, angry pro trump bots who pretend to be debbie from wisconsin who loves guns gods freedom and MAGA

click on any donald trump tweet and youll see them for sure, really any political tweet.

How can you tell its a bot and not Debbie from Wisconsin? Just wondering.

Nothing I would go court with, but the same way you intuitively id bots on forums, instagram, fb. Formulaic profiles, no personal info, 1 pic. On twitter almost all posts are RTs of fairly extreme political stuff. Click on what they RT, see who else has RT'd it, see a bunch of other accounts with same formula and posting history

I saw TONS of fake stories spread on FB leading up to the election, all from dubious "news" websites that popped up out of nowhere.

dubious news websites are the source of half the content here as well. During the election they were getting spread like crazy

Clint Watts? The joker who said, in front of a senate panel, that the Russians had even hacked "me, personally"? lmaogtfo

Total thinktank tool

The guy who wrote the Agency article listed above was attacked online, he was setup to meet a neonazi and had pics taken to smear him. It's easy to attack someone online

Ok so both the Nazis and the Russians are trolling him? (I'm talking about an actual thing he said in front of a senate panel, wrt Russians hacking him)

no. you can read the article.

the gist of it was he went to meet someone who was supposedly working for the internet research agency in a cafe. She was accompanied by a man who said nothing and was not part of the meeting. after he leaves russia there are reports online of him meeting with russias top neo nazi (the silent guy). someone had photographed them together at the cafe in order to smear him.

interesting shit.

What we saw was the hope, expressed by Putin and others in Russia, that there could be a more constructive dialogue with Trump than there had been with Obama, a man Putin held in complete withering contempt. The Deep State saw which way the wind was going and deliberately poisoned the waters, so that Trump and Putin could not get together for a constructive dialogue. That's really what the whole Russia farce is all about -- keeping Trump alienated from Putin.

Exactly. This is all about continuing a maniacal hawkish foreign policy on steroids against Russia. Something the MIC has been doing for some time now.Trump threatened that by saying things that made sense and could reduce spending and warmongering wrt Russia on the campaign trail. Of course Russia wanted Trump over Hillary. She was a huge nat security threat to them while Trump was possibility of detente and amicable relations. It doesn't make Trump a secret Russian agent and as you will see Trump won't have the guts to stop a nonsensical cold war and Russia will continue to be the enemy. Trump is going to change anything.

When was the last time nearly every person in an administration has lied about their connections, meetings, debts, etc with another country?

Most of this wouldn't be an issue except for the constant lies. Why did Sessions need to leave out his Russia meetings? How about Kushner? Page? Flynn?

How long are the media going to keep up this tiresome Russia business? It was boring weeks ago. They've got nothing.

"How long are the media going to keep up this tiresome Seth Rich business? It was boring weeks ago. They've got nothing."

Do you realize how that sounds?

Does the media talk about Seth rich like they do russia?

Do most users here in this sub talk about Russia like they do with Seth Rich?

No, are they required to? Are people supposed to talk about things at the rate you want? You didn't answer my question.

Do you realize the irony in what you just said?

I never said the media should be required to talk about different topics the same. I was responding to your point. You are the one implying both topics are somehow equal. Yet, the media only talks about one. You are implying they should be talking about neither or both.

Do you realize the irony in what you just said?

^ case in point

Do you realize how that sounds?

Like the truth based on the EVIDENCE we have?

Yep

yawn yes, it is so tiresome. I'm feeling very tired. Are you also feeling tired? We should stop looking at this, go lay down and sleep. We have time to sleep.

Israel and Saudi both have their own billion dollar lobbies. They write legislation they pay Congress to introduce on their behalf. We literally have legislation and laws passed that another country wrote...

how many of them lied about it beforehand? I think that is the distinction, not that they met with them, the fact that they lied about it.

Israel and Saudi Arabia are US allies. Russia is not

Duck that. They aren't my allies. Our founders said to have entangling alliances with none. Saudia Arabia and Israel do a 100x more damage to this country than Russia. They are a virus

They aren't my allies either. I'm just stating a fact that diplomatically Israel and Saudi Arabia are US allies.

That's why Trump went to Saudi Arabia and signed a $110 billion arms deal.

Being allies to our corrupt politicians should not and does not protect them from scrutiny. They are a greater threat to our democracy than Russia

Is Russia a threat at all to you?

No, Russia is not a threat to American citizens at all. They are a threat to our imperialism and the corrupt establishment that has lost its way for a long time now. They pose no threat to you or me. They pose a threat to our terrible foreign policy.

Here is my question to you. Why the inconsistency? Israel and kSA subvert American democracy on a level that has never been seen before and not a word. If unethical influence in our democracy is your concern then why don't you have the principal to call it out all the time, not just when the narrative is to your liking.

You seem bothered when people talk about Seth Rich too much on a conspiracy forum. You are bothered with Assange. What motivates you to take these positions. Are you that enamored with the establishment DNC?

OPie has a good point. When was the last time Russians pulled off a terrorist attack on American soil?

This times a million

American standards are double standards.

To be fair, isn't the issue that it was undisclosed contact?

Not just undisclosed but lying about the meetings and contacts.

The Trump people didn't disclose their meetings. That's why.

When was the last time politicians were investigated for their communications with Russia with the same scrutiny being used in the Russia investigation?

Investigate ties to Israel.

Hang the fucking traitors!!!

I'm not fans of SA or Israel but the US gov't consider them allies and Russia an adversary. Important distinction.

I cant believe this distinction has to be made.

Russia's government is basically like ours. Corrupt kleptocrats. Saudi Arabia and Israel are oppressive regimes known for insane human rights violations. Women in Saudi Arabia are literally second class citizens and Israel's treatment of Palestine is completely fucking bonkers. If any of those three countries have to be our allies, I'd rather be allies with Russia than those two sponsors of terrorism. Fuck the US government for deciding those horrible countries are our allies. They're all shit, the US government included.

Good question. Israel openly bribed that one senator with $1m to do that whole open letter criticizing the iran nuke deal.

And then John Boner invited that motherfucker into congress to shit talk obama and anybody else working on the iran deal.

Asking why we don't seem to care about the political influence of Israel or Saudi Arabia does three things:

It let's us know that we should care, regarding the previous admin.

It tells us that we should care, for the current admin.

It reinforces the idea that collusion between the Trump admin and Russia occurred. That's a narrative I'm not gonna buy. And not because I support Trump. I never have. I don't buy it because it's bullshit, and because I know better.

To me that says you're either a real slick poster, or you didn't consider that.

To everyone else, the Israeli government is the lynch pin to half the world's fuckery, but a lot of you already know that.

"But they're our friends" - MSM

Clint Watts:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4664397/clint-watts-3302017

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1705/23/cnr.04.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magazine/the-agency.html

A few months before trump won election, the same bots in the above story became Pro Trump Americans.

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

As for examples, the best ones come from fake websites that are removed after the damage is done.

"FBI agent suspected in Hillary email leaks found dead in apartment murder-suicide"

""ISIS leader calls for American Muslim voters to support Hillary Clinton"

"Pope Francis shocks world, endorses Donald Trump for president"

Thats the kind of stuff that, even if the headlines, fake stories, and fake websites dont originate from russia, the massive bot armies on fb and twitter endless RT it to spread it and lend it credibility.

Duck that. They aren't my allies. Our founders said to have entangling alliances with none. Saudia Arabia and Israel do a 100x more damage to this country than Russia. They are a virus

dubious news websites are the source of half the content here as well. During the election they were getting spread like crazy