I'm with you... it's all just propaganda and PR stuff. Red vs blue. "Make the public hate the other side more than they already hate us so we don't have to change anything"

Holy shit, this sub has done a full 180 and is now actively defending the government.

It's crazy how last night it was fake news. And now it's real, but who cares.

Than you have no real understanding of how politics, the intel community, Washington D.C. and human psychology work on a massive scale. Insiders talk to relorters of the record for many reasons, mainly money or to further agendas. Thats how it has always been and will always be. Its how human beings work, and you really need to understand that quickly. I'm so sick of hearing people suggesting that there is anything wrong with that. Notice how the press was used as evidence at the last Russian-Collusion hearing, referring to Trump being warned by Obama not to hire Flynn. Its because people DO say things off the record, for personal gain and patriotism. This "shoot the messenger" rhetoric thats been spreading around the far right subs (like this one now i guess), is fucking AWFUL for everyone and goes against everything this sub used to stand for.

Where you lost me: "Thats how it has always been and will always be."

I'm not content living in a world where we just bend over and accept this level of blatant corruption and deception by our government and press. If you want to accept it for what it is, fine.

"Blatant corruption and deception" Except its not? Its not organized and its not everyone. But people do talk be it secretaries, janitors, IT guys, FBI guys, senators, presidents, etc. The only way to get THAT out of politics is to get humans out of politics considering its human error. As for me, Id rather know as many facts as possible about as many things as possible rather than accept we live in a world where shady things never surface because we stopped all of the surpremely "evil" leakers and sent them all to jail. Dont be ignorant.

There's so many red flags with this whole situation

Seth Rich's story was clearly pushed here, but the Trump story was clearly pushed to everyone else, and they all have a lot of inconsistencies or otherwise reasons to be wary of the information, but this probably is the biggest red flag of them all.

If this was such privileged information, why would this be a good idea to give to the press? And why on Earth would you go into that much detail? No one would've known the details to the intel if this wasn't ran in the news and blamed on Trump. Trump didn't tell the entire planet what the intel was, he told Russia, who is a common enemy of ours against ISIS. This intel SOUNDS like it should've been shared to everyone, including our allies, I don't understand why it wasn't shared more openly.

The fact that WaPo felt the need to say "The source might be in danger" just tells ISIS they have a leak they wouldn't have known about if it wasn't for this story

I wonder why the Seth Rich story is being pushed here....

The Rich family strongly rebuked these reports as further evidence of conspiracy-theory thinking: "We've seen that those interested in pushing conspiracies will stop at nothing to do so."

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexcampbell/seth-rich-family-refutes-report?utm_term=.cbNyxO3ow#.vxa0xeNXr

Wheeler, a Fox News contributor and President Trump supporter

But as the Fox 5 story continues, the tangible evidence never appears. Wheeler says only that he "believes" the answer to his death is on Rich's computer, which is in the custody of authorities. The only piece of evidence Wheeler provides to Fox, other than his own belief, is an anonymous source in the police department who "looked at me straight in the eye and said, 'Rod, we were told to stand down on this case and I can't share any information with you.'"

https://patch.com/district-columbia/washingtondc/seth-rich-bombshell-fake-news-heres-why

A "national underground network" of pink pistol-packing lesbians is terrorizing America. "All across the country," they are raping young girls, attacking heterosexual males at random, and forcibly indoctrinating children as young as 10 into the lesbian lifestyle, according to a shocking June 21 segment on the popular Fox News Channel program, "The O'Reilly Factor."

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2007/rod-wheeler-claims-o%E2%80%99reilly-factor-lesbian-gangs-are-raping-young-girls

Seems like we have two sides saying the opposite thing, neither of which actually knows what happened given the emails are in FBI custody.

The accusations are being made by a past mainstream media correspondent who has had to apologize for lying before. They're based on him claiming "anonymous sources" said something vague.

wtf, I love anonymous sources now?!

Like I said, neither side has any hard evidence

Well we know which side has been lying their asses off for over a year now so gee golly it's tough which one to believe.

I don't know who you're referring to and I don't care

Get your copy pasta outa here! Its the 20th time you have poated the same thing... look at his profile clearly got a reason to be here

If this was about laptops and planes then it is old. We don't allow laptops on planes from certain places because of this intel. I'm sure by now Russia would know the specific intel this policy was based upon.

wikileaks puts out all the info they can, classified or otherwise, and people cheer it because it is about hillary. Snowden does his thing and people cheer that.

But some people have a trump statue at home where they take their Cheetos communion daily and if it something about trump they suddenly get concerned about things and want leaking to stop.

Classic.

WikiLeaks has only been leaking stuff about the USA, specifically​ liberals. They gotta have stuff on Russia, Europe, China, etc. I don think they've shared everything. And if they have them they're biased, which sucks. I think what they've said is true but it seems politically motivated when everyone just wants the truth.

as a critical thinker... ::scratches head::

Except the whole thing is we don't know what trump leaked... what are you talking about?

Directly from what article? Atleast the ones I've read never specified anything more than 'classified info'

You are right. No I actually didn't read the Washington post one, I just don't really like the post.

Says a lot of nothing from unnamed sources... Yawn

If it wasn't then why are Trump and McMasters raging about "leaks".

The "leak" was whoever spilled the beans to the WaShit Post.

wtf I hate leaks now

So the WaPo article was true then.

Was it?

Define "true", and show how it is relevant in this instance.

I mean, did Drump pass "secrets" to Da Russians on a Julius and Ethel level?

Or are Zionists just tightening their GRIP on Drump's balls?

If it wasn't true then it sas fake news, not a leak.

What if this is actually a bluff?

Think about it... they admit that the President has the authority to declassify any secrets he wants and thus has broken no laws. Nothing in this story can lead to his impeachment.

What if there is no "source"?

Every member of ISIS that has spoken to another member about using a laptop to attack an aircraft is now looking at the other people involved and wondering if they're a CIA mole.

This story might have no other intention than to sow mistrust and confusion among ISIS members.

Occams Razor cant tell you anything in this case. I do think /u/KiwiBattlerNZ theory is far fetched, never the less its a very interesting idea. And it would be awesome it if was true. That would be some Tom Clancy level shit.

I am not a Trump supporter but his treatment at the hands of the US MSM makes it obvious that the free press is dead in the US.

http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1494904480867.jpg

That's what he was discussing, But Jeff Bezos who owns WaPo, provides Servers to the CIA, and hired Podesta makes sure to spin it into some sort of Oniony lie.

Its pretty smart actually. Put out fake news, it enters into the collective smearing your rep and destroying your standing, and then simply redact it and say 'oops' when you're called out on it

WIth that name you obviously make it hard to believe you don'T have an agenda

I'm glad to see that the irony wasn't lost on you.

I'll take "White House talking points" for 10, Alex.

Member when this sub was concerned with the content of the leaks, and not the source?

What? You should always look at the source.

He "leaked" public information that was widely reported on 2 months ago. This is just fake news.

Ok we will play this game then.

Why was the WH out denying it happened if it was "widely reported on".

When did the WH deny it happened?

Right up until Trump tweeted that it did happen.

Source?

Seriously dude? This was less than 24hrs ago:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/tillerson-mcmaster-deny-report-trump-shared-classified-information-with-russia/article/2623165

"The story that came out tonight as reported is false. The president and the foreign minister reviewed a range of common threats to our two countries, including threats to civil aviation. At no time, at no time, were intelligence sources or methods discussed and the president did not disclose any military operations that were not already publicly known," McMaster said in a press conference Monday evening.

That's been their story the whole time, they've never changed it.

The story that came out tonight as reported is false.

That's a straight up denial.

Then all of a sudden here comes Trump saying it happened and it isn't a problem:

“As president, I wanted to share with Russia (at an openly scheduled WH meeting) which I have the absolute right to do, facts pertaining to terrorism and airline flight safety,” Trump wrote. “Humanitarian reasons, plus I want Russia to greatly step up their fight against Isis and terrorism.”

It's one or the other.

Regardless, you haven't answered my original question. If the information was "public" and "widely reported on 2 months ago", why did the WH initially deny it was discussed?

Nobody denied anything was discussed.

The story that came out tonight as reported is false.

Yep.

Wew.

So McMaster denied the allegations in the Washington Post.

So he denied that any confidential information was discussed.

So my original comment that the White House denied the allegations was correct.

I'm pleased we've finally reached common ground and can move on to the question that I asked 14 hours ago.

Why was the WH out denying [the story] happened if [the information] was "widely reported on"

He denied any wrongdoing happened. He never denied nothing was discussed. The WH has had the exact same story this whole time. You're just strawmanning his statement. Never once did he deny nothing was discussed. Better luck next time kiddo

this is why mcmasters, etc are saying it wasnt a big deal, to try to keep a cap on its significance.

ive seen numerous places where trump admin advisors are very frustrated that he does not take their advice, but he DOES get pissed when the media starts talking about him

this is how they reign him in: tell the media he fucked up, he reacts

The media has been "reporting" that he fucks up every day, non stop since the election. It's the only thing the media has cared about. Trump, Trump, Trump. All the top stories are bashing our President and 99% of them come from super secret anonymous source that says the White House is in chaos, the administration is spinning out of control, blah blah blah fake news.

I'm not denying that there MIGHT POSSIBLY be some kind of Russia-Trump link

Of course there might be- but they are grasping at straws trying to find evidence of it. If there's an illegal connection- the NSA KNOWS about it. And if it's true, they should have nipped that shit in the bud well before we got to this point.

And even if it's NOT an illegal connection, but just an unsavory one, like business deals- how the hell are we in this position where he is allowed to simultaneously be allowed to maintain a shady business empire while playing figurehead of US politics. This stinks!

But the idea of him making some comment to Lavrov about a laptop plot being some national security fiasco, is so overthetop ridiculous. And that WaPo supposedly knowns even more details than trump gave in his meeting- but is unwilling to release it to the public, is infuriating. Is the media supposed to protect the people from a corrupt and abusive government? I always thought to- but it seems like their goal is to distract and incite and provoke flame wars.

They've been whining about Russia for the better part of a year now. If there was evidence, any evidence, we'd know about it by now. The scary part is without the internet a democratically elected President would have been impeached over a bogus story.

Is the media supposed to protect the people from a corrupt and abusive government? I always thought to- but it seems like their goal is to distract and incite and provoke flame wars.

It seems that lately, the media, both political parties and government are all working full time and in cooperation to distract enrage, confuse, divide and conquer aimed at the Peasantry.

And it seems to be working - people are so overwhelmed that they are becoming dull-eyed and exhausted.

Could it be that they got the sensitive info that trump declassified by speaking about it but when WaPo went to publish it and ran it by whoever in the govt they were like "yea that's not classified anymore but it's still potentially dangerous so don't publish it"?

Well, one reason might be that they fear Trump might leak really important or damaging stuff so they want to undermine his poularity. Don't ask me if that's true, but it could be a possibility

It's Fake News.

Maybe the official felt that they had to prove that there was some meat to this and felt the risk of leaking it to WaPo was worth it in order to hinder Trump releasing information in the future. McMasters evasive defense was also suspicious; denying things that weren't claimed in the article and neither confirming nor denying the things that were claimed. Then right on cue we had Trump's ambiguous tweet of the day which seemed to imply he has the "absolute right" to leak whatever he wants.

Every day feels more and more like a reality TV show with scripted cliffhangers at the end of every episode. We get just enough dirt on both sides of the drama to leave us in suspense, not knowing who is the good guy and who is the bad guy; or if there even is a good guy and instead it's all just about either faction's malevolent agenda.

The Trump/Russia narrative has been fraught with logical inconsistencies since its inception.

Is that because "the establishment" is actually fighting for their lives, and are clinging to the one angle that could neutralize their enemy, vis-a-vis impeachment?

Or is that because "the establishment" is in full control, and this is presented to make us think that they're fighting for their lives, all while eating as many numbers of their own as necessary to maintain control?

Or is there no "establishment", and this is simply a different sect of Oligarchical interests, fighting a clandestine war for control of the purse strings and law books of this country, and both sides are trying to exterminate the other through the facade of foreign policy, tax codes, and intelligence agency feats of espionage?

Or, are the glaring plot holes attributable to human nature and confirmation bias, and Trump really did sell us down the river to Russia (to pay off some outstanding debt he had accumulated through numerous bankruptcies, in the same way that the Clintons have used the mechanism of the state to enrich themselves and cover for their nefarious business dealings) and no ones driving this ship and the world is run by the same type of idiot fuckups as your boss at work, and there is no all seeing eye controling your day to day life because that person probably can't even control their own idiot teenage son, the way none of us can do much because we're all clueless souls walking around in quickly decaying meatsacks trying to give meaning to an otherwise mind boggling existence seemingly born from the dust of nothingness into the mystery that is life?

Who fucking knows man.

Were the US officials cited in the story sitting in the meeting with Trump and the ambassador to hear him share this information?

Possibly. Per CNN: Who was in Trump's meeting with the Russians?

QUOTE:

US

Donald Trump -- President

Rex Tillerson -- Secretary of State

H.R. McMaster -- National Security Adviser

Dina Powell -- Deputy National Security Adviser

Missing? Jared Kushner -- Trump's son-in-law and top aide

Russia

Sergey Lavrov -- Russian Foreign Minister

Sergey Kislyak -- Russian ambassador to the US

A slew of other unidentified Russian aides

END QUOTE

Wouldn't it be considered a breach to give intel to people who are no longer government officials? How can they remain privy to this kind of info but other intel agencies are not?

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Why did they think it was a good idea to go to the WaPo about it and give them all of the information they need for a headlining story??

Indeed - the info was SO SENSITIVE that it was DANGEROUS to give it to DA RUSSIANS! , but it's perfectly cool for the Washitn' Post to MEGAPHONE it to the world? Suspicious motives at work here.

Obviously this news will reach ISIS and give them a warning that the US and now Russia have some kind of intel related to a laptop and a plane..

When you see the source of the "intel", this might all make more sense.

Also, does Russia not have airliners? Didn't one of those planes CRASH under "suspicious circumstances" over Egypt on On 31 October 2015? If the threat is real (IF) , why would we NOT want to give other countries a heads-up - including Russia?

That's pretty specific information for a newspaper to be sharing, and to me seems more dangerous to our operations than the information being shared with an ambassador in a private meeting since it's much more publicly available

Obviously neither the "leaker" nor the WaShit Post cared about any damage to intel and security from divulging the info - or they would have kept their mouths shut. They were interested in doing damage to Trump.

If we’re arming ISIS to fight Assad’s soldiers (we are), while fighting ISIS at the same time, does that make us an ISIS ally or enemy?

Yes. Yes to both.

ISIS was Bred and Fed by the US to give the "West" an excuse to stay active in Syria after the botched False Flag attack - perpetrated by the US and Israel - in Ghouta, Syria in 2013. Before then, no one had ever HEARD of "ISIS".

If Russia is helping Assad defeat ISIS, does that make them ISIS allies or enemies?

Russia is TOTALLY HATED by ISIS - who was doing just fine playing the little proxy-war game while the US pussy-footed around - pretending to fight them... But when Russia came back (after being distracted by the Ukraine fiasco), Russia and Assad kicked ISIS ass . Totally pissed the US, the Turkey and ESPECIALLY the Israelis off!

If Trump shared critical information about ISIS with the Russians, couldn’t that be seen as sharing intelligence on a common enemy?

Only if the US is really fighting ISIS. Remember, this whole "Syrian Civil War" is fake - it was started as a COUP by the Mossad, CIA and other "Western" nations to get rid of Assad for ISRAEL'S BENEFIT .

Former French Foreign Minister Roland Dumas explains in this 2 minute clip from live French television.

It seems possible that Trump is either VERY STUPID - or - that no one has TOLD him that this whole thing is Israel's charade - and in this case, Israel and Russia DO NOT share common interests. Israel is VERY UNHAPPY that Russia is fucking with their Game to take out Assad and snatch part of Syria.

If Russia is fighting ISIS, why would sharing intel on them be a danger to American intelligence or America in general for that matter?

It wouldn't.

Why would a source reconsider cooperating if their info was shared with a country whose allegedly fighting the enemy they provided the info on? Tagging onto that - WHO ARE OUR ALLIES IN THE FIGHT AGAINST ISIS? Israel?...

No, Israel is NOT "fighting ISIS" - indeed, they have been underhandedly SUPPORTING and actively aiding Jihadist groups such as al Nusra (an al Qaeda branch) that the US considers TERRORIST organizations because these are fighting Assad - and Israel wants Assad DEAD.

So, Who is REALLY fighting ISIS? Primarily Syria, Russia, Hezbollah, Iran, and Iraq - all enemies of ISRAEL.

Who is this US partner that provided us with the information?

NY Times - Today: Israel Said to Be Source of Secret Intelligence Trump Gave to Russians

SURPRISE!

If the partner isn’t a governmental body, why do they get to determine how their information is used?

Because they're Israel. Duh! /s

Would they have even known that this information was shared with the ambassador if it weren't for this article? If so, how? Do they have a mole inside the WH or some kind of bugs?

Israel has moles in EVERY NOOK AND CRANNY of every facet of the US Government - in the White House, in Congress, in the Military, in Intelligence, in every bureau you can think of (and some you can't). They also have moles and agents in EVERY major news media organ - including the WaShit Post.

You can bet that it was a Zionist mole who reported the "leak to da Russians" to the WaShit Post. On the bright side, if the "intelligence" came from Israel, there's a VERY good chance that it was eiher fabricated or tainted. Remember, Israel is not fighting ISIS, their enemies are fighting ISIS - and that includes Russia.

Finally, Israel is NO ALLY of the United States. They and their Zionist operatives are a back-stabbing, abusive, duplicitous leech that uses the US as a $ugar Daddy and a Golem to fight their wars FOR them (Iraq, Libya, Syria), and as a Political Tool to pressure OTHER countries into serving Zionist interests.

They are embedded to the HILT in the US - and have similarly infested all of Europe, and many other countries around the world.

If Trump didn't start rethinking the idea of moving the Israeli embassy, we all could have had productive days at work today.

They've been whining about Russia for the better part of a year now. If there was evidence, any evidence, we'd know about it by now. The scary part is without the internet a democratically elected President would have been impeached over a bogus story.

Ok we will play this game then.

Why was the WH out denying it happened if it was "widely reported on".

Is the media supposed to protect the people from a corrupt and abusive government? I always thought to- but it seems like their goal is to distract and incite and provoke flame wars.

It seems that lately, the media, both political parties and government are all working full time and in cooperation to distract enrage, confuse, divide and conquer aimed at the Peasantry.

And it seems to be working - people are so overwhelmed that they are becoming dull-eyed and exhausted.