haha yeah I noticed too...

And you never notice all the bugs in the woodwork.

The Flat Earth Movement is growing exponentially, and it isn't going away. It is not growing because of paid shills, or because the government wants to discredit conspiracy theorists. It is because there are too many lies surrounding everything having to do with NASA and the Flat Earthers have raised some incredible, valid points. So, sit back and enjoy the ride.

This ^{^}

It's used to discredit conspiracy theorists the same way the Moon Landing Conspiracy ^TM was used to distract people from the fact that JFK was offed by the CIA.

Wake up

The alarm's going off.. Beep! Beep!

Yeah everything posted here is true because it's posted here amirite

Well, you seem like an honest retard. Let's just take your word for that.

So you believe the moon landing was fake? Or that the JFK wasn't assissinated by the CIA? What do you believe then? Just trying to make sense as to why you'd call him a retard.

Removed. Rule 4.

Russian active measures to divide people within the US. United we stand, divided we fall

I hold the opinion that a "bullying" of movements like flat earth are the reason people like bill nye and neil degrasse exist in the media.

just a thought.

Oh of course they must be 'CRAZZZZZY'

https://youtu.be/56qUENYYjxE?t=34

Don't act like questioning everything is bad. More people need to ask questions. Some questions have answers, some don't.

Flat earth is bullshit. That's the answer

I'd agree with you, but that doesn't mean the globe is true. And i wasn't even talking about FE shit at all to you, i was just saying that it'd be stupid to not question everything and to go through life eating all the shit that's fed to us.

The globe us true. You can question whatever you want but when you choose to ignore hundreds of years of study and evidence because derp I'm a contrarian, you aren't doing anything useful.

Does 2 + 2 = 4. Who knows??? Maybe not, can't believe everything the globalists teach you I school. I think it equals banana because I'm edgy and I question shit. I am very smart

Ahh the "I'm right, you're wrong" argument. Very constructive. And then you use something based on a set algorithm to help your case? You can do better than that. We haven't even been to space before less than 100 years ago, so how can you put so much weight on everything before that? Before then, it was just theories; no one ever went to space and found out way back in the day. But you're so smart, aren't you?

What's their to be constructive of? You disagree with the facts because Durr I question the narrative.

How did they prove the Earth's shape with out going to space?? You're ignorant and retarded, I'm done wasting my time with you

http://www.geo.hunter.cuny.edu/~jochen/GTECH201/Lectures/Lec6concepts/Datums/The%20earths%20shape%20is%20an%20ellipsoid.htm

There's your answer. You're a stupid lazy asshole. Rather than educate yourself you refused too. You can find that page just by a quick Google search. All that information at your fingertips yet you're too lazy to educate yourself. That's incredibly sad.

Removed. Rule 4.

What's their to be constructive of? You disagree with the facts because Durr I question the narrative.

How did they prove the Earth's shape with out going to space?? I'm done wasting my time with you http://www.geo.hunter.cuny.edu/~jochen/GTECH201/Lectures/Lec6concepts/Datums/The%20earths%20shape%20is%20an%20ellipsoid.htm

There's your answer. You can find that page just by a quick Google search. All that information at your fingertips yet you're too lazy to educate yourself. That's incredibly sad.

It says they theorized ; that's the key word there. And when it says they determined it, it doesn't say how AT ALL. It just says they took some measurements in 2 places and BAM we know the shape of the earth (which isn't a globe, which is exactly what i was fucking saying dumbass. I never said the earth was flat, but i did say i didn't think it was a globe. Hmmmmmm lol). That was a terrible source man, it doesn't go into detail at all or explain how they measured it, or why they chose to measure those 2 places in the first place. But you don't need details or explanations, do you? You just believe it cause it says it's true, you don't even question it. That sir, is incredibly sad.

It says they theorized; that's the key word there

You continue to show your ignorance of science. Evolution is a theory, gravity is a theory . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

It is important to note that the definition of a "scientific theory" (often ambiguously contracted to "theory" for the sake of brevity, including in this page) as used in the disciplines of science is significantly different from the common vernacular usage of the word "theory"

It just says they took some measurements i

It's called geometry

Your stupidity and ignorance is glowing, I'm done wasting time with you.

A theory is a theory. And sure man, try to justify your shitty source. Your gullibility and ignorance is glowing. Lol whatever, have a good life

A theory is a theory.

Lol already explained in my previous post yet you continue to repeat the same bullshit. Just stick your head in the ground, you're clueless. You continue to think that you're edgy and cool but in reality you're dumb and you don't know jack shit about anything.

Wow this comment utterly betrays you. Lol. Your hostility is a most encouraging sign.

Let me know when you can produce an accurate flat earth map that doesn't disprove the flat earth map like the current one does.

http://schr.work/the-flat-earth-map-disproves-the-flat-earth-theory/

Can you give an accurate map of the universe? Just pointing out how ridiculous it is that people expect them to know everything about it. Not saying it's true or anything, but come on, use logic when discussing things.

What does a map of the universe have to do with an accurate map of Earth?

The fact that if the earth isn't globe (which doesn't mean it has to be flat) and we're being lied to about it, it'd be about the equivalent of producing a map of the universe; impossible. How would anyone know? I was just pointing out that your demand for a map of flat earth, as if they're all NASA scientists who know the real truth (if there is one), is ridiculous.

We definitively know the sizes of all the land masses on earth. You can thus compare the size of various continents at different latitudes to see that the continent sizes are grossly distorted on the alleged flat earth map.

No flat earther has ever successfully refuted this argument.

Are you serious? That is your argument? "This random citizen who believes in flat earth made a map and it doesn't seem legit, flat earth is fake". The globe earth map is largely disproportionate as well, sooo does that mean the globe earth is fake? And who is "we"? NASA? It's funny how most people on this sub knows how corrupt and full of lies nasa and the elite are, yet when arguing against this, they use the shit NASA says. You can't successfully refute an argument when that argument is shit. Again, I'm not a believer of flat earth but if you're gonna actually argue against them, use arguments that will work. Maybe this is why that flat earth shit is growing, because a lot of people give shit arguments against it. It's comparable to when atheists waaay back when religion was "100% true" tried disproving it. The religion followers would use the religion that the atheists are trying to disprove to argue on their religions behalf.

Do you deny that we know the size and shapes of the continents or that they can be known?

I don't doubt that we aren't getting the full truth about the world we live in but I'm not saying the earth isn't a globe. I'm just trying to strengthen people's arguments, cause that's how you're going to get rid of this flat earth epidemic

The globe earth map is largely disproportionate as well

No, it is not. Flat projections of it, by necessity, are visually distorted - but latitude and longitude lines are accurately drawn to plainly show where disproportions are so they can still be used for navigation. And it is not just NASA that uses these globe maps, it is essentially all travel and commerce on Earth over the last 500 years.

This is true, my mistake, but there is a chance (however slim it may be) that it's just a planned coincidence that it works. I'm not saying it's wrong at all, but at least be open to the possibility that some things are beyond our grasp and comprehension. And if they are hiding something so important that they'd go to these lengths to hide, you better believe they thought it through.

So your argument is that it's beyond your own comprehension+NASA is lying.

Gotcha.

Stop putting words in my mouth. I've said multiple times that I don't believe the earth is flat. Even if it was, how fucking stupid could you be to assume there would be a cliff to nothing-ness? That would make no sense at all. I mean seriously? And ask better questions; here I'll ask you some questions along the lines of what you asked. How was the universe created? Where does it end? Please explain. And before you say that it's off topic; it's not. If the earth was flat than the entire way the universe we live in would be under different circumstances. I'm just justifying the questions i asked you.

So your entire argument is "we no nothing"? Good for you.

If not a cliff then what? A magical teleporter?

Well, people drive regularly from one end of the US/Australia to the other, and from one side to the other. Hell, I've done it myself going from south to north. Pretty hard to lie about how big the continents are, given that.

This proves nothing at all, besides the fact that it's a long ass drive to one end to the other.

Actually it can be readily used to prove that the size and shape of the country as reported on a conventional map is, at least, very close to exactly accurate and that the distorted size shown on a flat map is not.

The key is no one fucking knows what a "flat earth" map would really look like, if it was even flat.

Watch this, it's about the sizes of continents in relativity to the current map of earth.

https://youtu.be/lPNrtjboISg

For the most part, both sides of flat earth (for and against) give terrible arguments because every average Joe acts like they know what they're talking about. The truth is, hardly any of them really do.

You, of course, being the exception.

Lol I acknowledge that I know very little about this reality; something not a whole lot of people do.

Jesus fuck dude the flat earth bullshit was disproven by hundreds of scientists before NASA ever existed.

So many conspiracy theories are hurr Durr I'm going against the facts because I'm different and edgy, check out how cool I am.

Plato, Aristotle, ptolmey, and hundreds of others posited the earth was not flat. Does the Jewish NASA conspiracy go back over thousands of years? Is that you explain it all away??

Just use some fucking common sense. If the earth were flat how do you travel from the east coast go through Europe and Asia and then up on the west coast? Nobody will ever take conspiracy theorists seriously because too many of them are retarded

Jesus fuck dude do you know who regulates the history classes in the school curriculum? Don't be so naive. And just because no one understands how it would work doesn't mean it's wrong; that's a terrible way to differ between truth and hoax. Besides, if you read the shit i wrote i made it pretty clear I'm not a flat earther. IMO a flat earth would be ridiculous, but you get so caught up on the flat earth shit that you refuse to consider any other possibilities besides a globe. Check yourself before you try to act all high and mighty

Who regulates world wide education? Please do pray tell

Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean no one understands it you self important narcissistic prick

Isaac Newton has posited that the earth is not perfectly round. The earth is squashed at its pikes and bloated at the equator. Saying only NASA has any info on the earth is just plain ignorant and stupid.

The earth is round but not perfectly, NASA is not lying to you about that. Check yourself before you act all high and mighty indeed. Most questions you have about the Earth's shape have already been answered, you're just too lazy of a fuck to see out the info and instead argue from ignorance.

The Department of Education regulates the USA's curriculum dumbass, and never once did i say NASA has all the answers so stop putting words in my mouth. You know history so well though right, cause you were there? Damn, you should go do something to take out that hostility man. I acknowledge I probably don't know the real truth, unless it is the globe earth which i never said wasn't true . Holy fuck man lol

I said world wide curriculum because just about every where in our round spherical globe shaped world are people taught the earth is round.

History can't be true because I wasn't there? Go read Newton's original works you ignorant twat.

Stop arguing something and then back track out of it you coward. Take a fucking position and stand by it. You acknowledge that you're ignorant and haven't sought out to do any real research because you're lazy. Educate yourself.

Pay attention; I never stood by FE or globe earth. And since school teaches you, it means it's 100% true? Please. And just because i say that, doesn't mean it isn't, I'm just saying you seem very gullible. Again, there you go putting words in my mouth; guess that makes it easier for you to argue.

Ok sure, it is a working hypothesis. Let me know when you can accurately explain the gaping holes your assumed reality. You can not even prove the earth is round.

What gaping holes?

I haven't been trying to prove the earth is round? The fact that you even assumed such a thing based off what i was saying doesn't do you much justice. I haven't been trying to prove either (which you'd know if you actually read and processed what i wrote). I'm just trying to strengthen people's arguments where I see flaws. If you expect to convince flat earthers that the earth is round using some of these arguments, then it's obvious why they think they're smart and onto something lol. The point is, a lot of people on both sides of the coin give shit arguments and act like they know what they're talking about.

You should not be comparing two disparate points of view side by side. It's too complicated because the number of factors increase and you have to filter out some of the noise e.g. How much should we be talking about NASA, does it even matter? So we have convoluted discussions about how if NASA is fake, is that evidence the earth is flat.

So I say cut the crap out. Go straight to what we are told about the round earth. If science text books are saying a ship disappears over the horizon because of curvature - and we can prove that is false, that's a big scandal. So it does no good to advance the flat earth idea.

I'm not comparing the ideas themselves, but rather the arguments people choose to make. As for the ship disappearing over the horizon, atmospheric density along with the particles in the atmosphere would give the same effect, so it's arguable but I know what you're saying. I'm not advancing the FE idea (I've clearly stated I'm not a flat earther), because even if the earth wasn't a globe, it likely wouldn't be flat, IMO. People are so caught up on the FE shit that they don't even consider other possibilities.

You need to look into it. I'm not going to dig for you because there are many of these on yourube. Atmospheric density would produce distortion and you'll have to judge that for yourself.

And I don't even want to nake the leap that is it's not round, it's probably flat. I want to know why science is wrong on such a basic level.

You are strengthening shit. Your argument is "we can't comprehend what's real man"

What is the definition of "real"? The truth is, no one fucking knows but we go through life pretending we know what reality is. And I've said multiple times I don't believe the earth is flat. The fact that you assume i do means you haven't read what I've said carefully.

No I just think you are bored.

See, you're acting as if I think what I'm saying is true. I'm just contemplating ideas and you're too close-minded to see that. But to your sarcastic statement; do you know aliens didn't blow up the WTC, no matter how crazy that may sound? No, you fucking don't, and just because i make that factual observation, you probably jump to a conclusion that: "omg he thinks aliens blew up the towers". Do you know this reality you're perceiving is even "real"? You may ignorantly think so but the truth is you don't know. I'm guessing you think what is real is what you experience with your 5 senses (touch, hear, see, feel, and taste) but I'm sure you know that those are just electrical signals being sent to your brain. For all you know, you're a brain in a bucket hooked up to electrical wiring that sends those signals to the brain to make you perceive the 5 senses. If you think that's impossible than you are fucking dumb and naive/ignorant. Maybe you're in the matrix. What is life? You don't know, so get off your high horse. You may think I'm crazy but you're the crazy one for not acknowledging these facts. Open your damn mind. No one understands what the consciousness is or where it's produced. Sure there are theories but that's all they are; theories. You can choose to blindly believe them because "it makes sense" and it helps you continue on with your life, or you can acknowledge you don't know shit.

"I know that I know nothing"~ Socrates

You can choose wisdom or ignorance, but i don't give a fuck; that's your journey.

Speaking like a true philosophy 101 contrarian.

I realized this stuff in highschool; it's common sense.

And I get downvoted for stating the truth. Pitiful.

Is sure seems like the last few days is overloaded with FE

Is sure seems like the last few days is overloaded with FE

All I've seen for the last week or so is people shitting all over FE'ers, not them making posts supporting their conspiracy theory. There have been multiple front page posts railing against FE, going quite against the oft repeated claim that people here should have open minds.

This No True Conspiracy Theorist shit has got to stop.

Same here. The only FE shit I've seen is from people concern trolling that they are taking over this sub when it's been the opposite. The nay-sayers are the ones shining the light on this idiocy.

Either that or people are starting to realize how much we've been lied to.

You can shoot me now :)

Nope, just means our schools are failing teaching kids science.

It's odd that it picked up here a bit the last a few days. it definitely died down on youtube some what. There is only so much material out there and it's all becoming rehashed over and over again. I remember on YouTube the live 24/7 flat earth debates going on, a few months back that seemed to halt it's momentum because there was no way you can support a flat earth model with what we perceive everyday. I'm honestly surprised flat earth didn't evolve into some other "fake space" meme by now.

It gets pushed at certain times because the charlatans need clicks on their videos for money.

That is all it is about, people don't actually believe it is flat, they just want to make up something to make money off of.

it was probably that t_d mod trying to start shit arguing with himself

I, too, have noticed the unusual amount of Flat Earth posts in the New queue. It's difficult to believe that so many people suddenly decided they want to talk about Flat Earth at the exact same time on Mother's Day.

Dude at church for mothers day today the pastor mentioned it. Not saying he believed in it or anything just that hes noticed a lot of young people talking about it

Better question is what are you doing in a church on Mother's Day? Or do you always visit your local con-man on Sunday?

Its called mothers day so you do what makes your mom happy, that being said churches/pastors are like anything else some genuinely good people some full of shit

That is true.

Combination of both. Some people are so frustrated with nasa they latch into the first conspiracy that agrees with them that they are being swindled. Enter flat earth... Doesnt mean it wasnt planted. The only proof the offer is nasa lies nothing to do with the earths shape. Nasa could censor shit to cover up all the ufos monitoring us

Exactly. Evidence that NASA is frequently full of shit or covering things up does not equal evidence for Flat Earth. In fact, Flat Earth might be propped up in order to smear people who (rightly) question NASA by associating them with absurd Flat Earth "theories."

It's funny how people agree with this but then use shit NASA says to debunk flat earth. I don't believe the earth is flat, and I'm not saying it's a globe either; just pitching my 2 cents lmao

I don't believe NASA is lying all of the time, but I would bet they're probably lying and/or covering things up once in a while. Regardless, you don't need NASA at all to disprove flat earth.

History repeats itself.

Someone doesn't believe a conspiracy that I do believe in? Must be paid shills, and the fact they're trying to tell me I'm wrong only proves I'm right!

Someone believes in a conspiracy I don't? Must be to distract from a conspiracy that I do believe in, which only proves I'm right!

Someone doesn't believe a conspiracy that I do believe in that has no basis in reality? Must be paid shills [or dolts], and the fact they're trying to tell me I'm wrong only proves I'm right!

Someone believes in a [fake] conspiracy I don't? Must Might be to distract from a [real] conspiracy that I do believe in, which only proves I'm right they might be shills or bots!

What defines 'real' or 'reality'? You are telling them they're wrong; hypocritical much? It's called a fucking conspiracy THEORY for a reason; it's a theory. God damn, grow up.

If I posted a "theory" about evil space aliens and their giant tortoise of destruction, you would–with an open mind–enquire about how I came to such a theory.

If every explanation I gave you was full of make-believe, faulty understanding of high school physics, and ignorance, you wouldn't believe it would you?

And then if you tried to explain to me how radio waves can bounce off things like air, or the surface of the moon, and I just responded "NASA is lieing," you would think I'm a fool, right?

Literally nothing posed by the FE crowd stands up to scrutiny. We could be here all day discussing why each one of their reasonings is fundamentally flawed, but that would take a long time and get nowhere... Which is precisely the point of FE, isn't it? To well poison and time suck.

I'm just pointing out that "I'm right, you're wrong" is a childish argument. Idk why you put theory in quotation marks; it is a theory, no matter how stupid it may sound. I'm just trying to better this community because we will get nowhere using immature arguments.

It's not about how stupid a theory sounds, it's about how foolish the explanation is.

You calling my argument immature, does not make it so. I am simply saying, evidence supposedly supporting FE is fabricated to fit the "theory," and does not hold up to scrutiny. Theory is used in parentheses because FE is not an actual theory, it's make-believe.

The first comment you made was, but alright man. A theory is a theory, and people expect FE people to know every damn thing about it as if they've been studying it for the past 500 years. I agree that a lot of the arguments for FE is ridiculous, but if you're going to convince those people they're wrong, use logical arguments instead of just telling them they're wrong. That's all I was getting at

My post was a "FIFY" making fun of someone using what you might call an immature arguement... I don't see you going after him.

I'm not sure what that means, but fair enough. His comment had some truth in it cause a lot of people think that way, which you replied in almost the exact way he was making fun of.

Perhaps they fear Flat Earth will lead to a "gold strike":

http://www.whale.to/c/995625_10153097224666079_5100027453164879955_n.jpg

What game is this?

I just cant understand how people can actually believe thay nonsense. Really. A flat earth lol. Laughable

I dont know a single person that believes the earth is flat. Not one

There is no way the flat earth movement is growing, just a psyop

Lots of closet flat earther's out there. They will be more vocal once they have a better understanding. It takes time to digest.

The earth IS flat, it is time/space that is spherical. The earth only appears flat because we are bound within 3 dimension, being the primitive creatures that we are. What possible practical use for taking that perspective, however, is entirely beyond me.

BTW on a related note, 'Fintan Dunne' AKA 'Nude Infant' just posted something bizarre about the Sun and Moon being the same entity. If you haven't heard of him, consider yourself lucky.

Funny how a plane can fly from Los Angeles to Japan without falling off the edge

Sorry I wasn't clear. The earth is flat, but time/space bends it into a sphere. I would follow that with, it is the mass of the earth that causes the bending, but then I would be talking in circles.

I'll be here all week. Try the veal.

I work with one so I know they are real.

They are real. The point is to fill the conspiracy theory community with the biggest morons of society. They've definitely been successful. Just compare the conspiracy material from the 70s-90s. Much less partisan whining and other bullshit.

Times have changed, and so have the conspiracy theories. The internet is widely available now, and idiots, contrarians, and insane people have there forums, and want to share their ideas.

Trying to say " They " is in any way responsible for this is like saying you can force a meme to make it happen: you can't. People share ideas that appeal to them (Minions, image macros, ideas), or disgust them (r/Shitredditsays, r/Kotakuinaction, Trump). Group dynamics are more of a natural phenomenon more than anything.

It's easier to dismiss all conspiracy theories when the most prevalent theories are insane.

It's better for government for people to error in the direction of "we don't have the technology" than get close to the the truth which is we've had free energy since tesla and space capabilities since Roswell. Military moon bases have existed for decades.

Funny how in this ubiquitous world of record devices nobody can get a clear recording if a UFO or an alien.

You will never have free unlimited energy. Nothing in world exists to disprove the conservation of energy

You will have close enough to unlimited

http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=Tesla&st=any&qo=&lh=aq&qc=0&s=&c=&fp=0&l=30&o=r

The flood of Flat Earth theorists is just to discredit this sub. Plain and simple.

plain and simple......................lol they got you

Please, enlighten me oh wise one.

Pay close attention for a few weeks. It's either a lot of flat earth hoax posts or a lot of pizzagate hoax posts. You may see a few of one when the other is spammed heavily but that's been the trend for months now. It's likely the same people (& their sockpuppets) doing both.

People push this crap to get clicks for their videos to get money.

No one is truly stupid enough to believe it all, but some people like larping/role playing (and making money from people doing so).

if it is a psyop it will backfire. It will make Alex Jones look like CNN to the blue pills.

We have to remove this due to personal information. If you wish to appeal this, please do so through modmail.

The admins have been cracking down on PI, taking action against several of our moderators. Until we get a clearer idea of what they expect (we're in communication now) we've decided to preemptively ban voat PG links. If you take issue with a specific removal, please contact us via modmail.

Shit. Haven't gotten that far in the queue yet (we usually work most recent to oldest), I'll be removing it, and I'm sure facing a pretty huge backlash. Thanks for the heads up (though I'm not sure if you intended that.)

I personally think there might be something to this, but as a mod of this sub, we're on thin ice with the admins, and until we can get a straight answer out of them, we have to take this more cautious route.

Someone doesn't believe a conspiracy that I do believe in that has no basis in reality? Must be paid shills [or dolts], and the fact they're trying to tell me I'm wrong only proves I'm right!

Someone believes in a [fake] conspiracy I don't? Must Might be to distract from a [real] conspiracy that I do believe in, which only proves I'm right they might be shills or bots!

I don't believe NASA is lying all of the time, but I would bet they're probably lying and/or covering things up once in a while. Regardless, you don't need NASA at all to disprove flat earth.

What does a map of the universe have to do with an accurate map of Earth?

You should not be comparing two disparate points of view side by side. It's too complicated because the number of factors increase and you have to filter out some of the noise e.g. How much should we be talking about NASA, does it even matter? So we have convoluted discussions about how if NASA is fake, is that evidence the earth is flat.

So I say cut the crap out. Go straight to what we are told about the round earth. If science text books are saying a ship disappears over the horizon because of curvature - and we can prove that is false, that's a big scandal. So it does no good to advance the flat earth idea.

Funny how in this ubiquitous world of record devices nobody can get a clear recording if a UFO or an alien.

You will never have free unlimited energy. Nothing in world exists to disprove the conservation of energy

You are strengthening shit. Your argument is "we can't comprehend what's real man"