Is there any proof that 4Chan just made it all up? Re: Pizzagate?

21 2017-01-19 by tpbRandysAlterEgo

Well I did it. I finally gathered up enough balls to post Ben Swann's Pizzagate segment on FB, and as I predicted the attempts to gaslight me ensued. I have to say that honestly, I am a Pizzagate skeptic. However, I do not deny the possibility that it could be true, and I do believe that something strange is going on and that it needs to be formally investigated. One FB friend mentioned that Pizzagate was completely made up on 4Chan before it snowballed here and r/The_Donald. Is there any veracity to this claim?

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4Chan didn't upload the crazy photos to comet's instagram.

Right, it started with a 4Chan rumor and snowballed after all the weird photos were found. I needed to remind myself that I am indeed not going insane. Its hard to do these days, when there is so much opposition.

4chan was investigating emails. In the FBI report it stated Hillary el al spoke in coded messages. They openly spoke about purjery, stealing the primary, "birddogging", arguable treason etc

That doesn't leave many crimes for code. This was an organic investigation where thousands of people combed tens of thousands of emails. The emails and associated people and social media is what put the issue together.

or write Podesta's emails, confirmed to not be a forgery during the Russian hacking investigations

4chan also didnt remove the hundreds of gigs of hidden data files that got deleted from comet ping pong hidden webpage the day everyone started researching it

Oh jeeze, I completely forgot about the back end encrypted password protected access to part of the Comet Ping Pong site.

Hundreds of gigs? They have too much time to cover up everything.

Since it is confirmed the emails are real I don't see how 4chan could have made ut up.

Just remember to ask the gaslighters if you'd be better playing dominoes on cheese or pasta

So this piece of evidence to me was the smoking gun at first, but I actually went back and read through the entire email thread and he is talking about a cheese basket he received from John Podesta. If we take the secret code out of it for a minute, while the use of "on" here is strange, it could make sense here in the context. Its like saying "Do you think I could run faster on cheese or on pasta?" Maybe its an inside joke and he sucks at playing dominos, perhaps the last time he played with John Podesta was over pasta and he lost. So now he's saying that maybe this round of dominos with his kids and grandkids he will play better after eating cheese. Again I end up finding a lot more evidence when we look at the actions of James Alefantis and co., after this was uncovered. The hot dog stand in Hawaii and the Hot Dog Fridays with $65K being spent on hot dogs and pizzza, those emails I can't seem to get my head around.

I give you credit for your honesty and perspective. Just the same, the emails + artwork + archived MSM articles paint a damning picture to me.

I agree with you, but I also can understand why a lot of people think this is stupid and crazy. I have actively tried to debunk this many many times over, and I just simply can't get it out my head. Something is amiss and it needs to be investigated, if at the very least to try to put a stopper on this and put this to bed. But I have a feeling they don't want it investigated because it will just further prove that something is wrong and illegal activity is taking place.

There needs to be more people like you. I think just about the same as you. If you just scratch the surface, it sounds absurd. But once you dig a little (not even that much), it's obvious that something very strange is going on at best. Because of the at worst possibilities, it needs to be investigated.

Podesta taught the Sandlers how to play dominoes when he was staying with them on Martha's Vineyard in August 2014.

  • 2014-09-01 Susan Sandler : "I so enjoyed having a chance to spend time and relax with you and Mary. Thanks for teaching me the domino game-I'm going to get a set!"

The following year, the Sandlers were back on Martha's Vineyard and were playing dominoes again. Herb Sandler jokes about Podesta changing the rules (Herb is over 80 years old).

  • 2015-07-10 Herb Sandler : "Everything has been fine, except that we missed you and Mary. ... Today-dominos. We won't be calling you for the rules."
  • 2015-07-11 Herb Sandler : "Last day in MV. Missed you. Susan whipped Sherry and me at Dominos. Using the Podesta method, she made up the rules as we played."

The hot dog stand in Hawaii and the Hot Dog Fridays with $65K being spent on hot dogs and pizzza, those emails I can't seem to get my head around.

Running a hot dog stand was John Podesta's humorous idea of a low-stress job that he would get after being Chief of Staff. For example, in this July 2000 article , Tony Podesta says that John 'often says--in a voice that seems only half-joking--his biggest goal after the White House is to run a hot-dog stand in Hawaii. Even that might prove too stressful for a presidential chief of staff already getting the feel of beach sand in his toes. His true goal, Tony Podesta speculated, is to run "a crazy T-shirt store on the Big Island."'

About the supposed $65K, see https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5os4xy/if_pizzagate_is_truly_nothing_then_this_is_how/dcm64bv/

It seems to me they are just referring to the game of Dominoes, and a lot of people tend to have house rules.

Is this word linked with anything else to assume it is a "code-word"?

I am sure there is something wrong with the person. ( judging by the art, who would have that all around their house.)

These are reasonable and well thought-out arguments.

This is my biggest "guys, take a step back and think about it" piece of evidence. It reads as a joke, just a dumb one.

I'm skeptical of it all, but I help people digest the information, I push for a formal investigation, and I crusade on Twitter to get the word out.

It's probably real. Slim chance of it not be. But it needs to be really investigated and we need to be taken seriously.

Yeah, plus the disgusting email about the entertaining kids in the pool.

*dominant.

4chan didn't email Podesta telling him the kid's will be in the pool for entertainment

4chan is where it started to get attention and then it really started snowballing when it hit /r/the_donald

Do you think Podesta played dominoes better on cheese or pasta?

Great detective work there, I can feel it, you're really getting somewhere with that.

obvious partisan is obvious.

I think you meant to say regular person... who exactly would I be partisan for in this case?

Blue team, duh...

FYI, not all PG offenders/suspects are Demoncrats, some are Repugnicans. Try to research a little before you call everything a 4chan hoax. 4chan certainly did not post to JimmyComet Insta acct. Those pictures + wikileaks + MSM articles + CPP youtube videos + artists associated with Pedostas are what tipped the scales for me.

If you want to be infallible, just keep blaming Russia for planting evidence (and everything else) - nobody can disprove that. The 4chan narrative is already busted. You may not like me, but if you have any integrity at all, at least give me credit for cleaning up your lame-ass arguments. I wish you the best in trying to find your intellect.

I haven't said anything about republicans or democrats, it's nice that you have to make shit up though.

No, but they started it as a hoax, and none of that shit is evidence of the claims, it's wild speculation and that's why nobody takes this shit seriously. Have fun believing your 4chan shit, don't worry, when you want to come back to the real world we won't hold it against you, everyone was young and naive at some point.

Did you know that we can read your comments just by clicking your username? Now, you are just as busted for lying as your 4chan hoax narrative... You can thank me later if all this stuff I have written to you ever registers.

So, now that we have established that you lack intelligence and integrity, is there anything else we should add to the list?

Yes, and no where in my comments did I say I'm a dem. In fact pretty sure you can see that I voted for Johnson and would have for trump if he wasn't the clear winner in my state. Just because I don't like the fact that our president is quite possibly being blackmailed by Russia doesn't make me a dem.

Can you even make an argument that isn't filled with insults and inaccurate statements? This is like arguing with a cocky middle schooler who thinks they're smarter than everyone.

Your comments support the unsubstantiated Russia hacking/owning Trump claims. if you are a repugnican, then you are probably pro CIA-owning/call-boy using Bush side; which explains your vociferousness against PG investigations/investigators. 'Nuff Said.

I've been careful to say that they are unsubstantiated and aren't proven, I don't act like it's a sure thing, just that I think it's likely given what's been provided.

And again, wrong. I have a strong dislike for pizzagate because I think it is a limited hangout or distraction of some sort. You can see I believe in the whole mass pedophilia and child abuse shit, just that I don't think the pizzagate investigation is on to anything with the emails and artwork and such.

Nothing has been "provided" except for the testimonies of FBIAnon. everything else was found hiding in plain sight (including Jimmycomet Werkinonmanightcheese and ccwoolman Insta posts and comments). I saw these when they were public and ran through 3 TWTR accts trying to spread the word. Perhaps you will better understand my vitriol towards individuals who try to cast doubt on what is reasonably obvious.

The Russia talk (with precious little evidence) is a distraction from the known pedo ring (which you acknowledge to be true). PG is a stupid name, but I came too late to change it. You should go ahead and try to cover now by telling me what you think could be more important than the safety/sanctity of children.

My first paragraph is referring to the dossier not pizzagate, as in I think it's real based on the dossier and what some people have said about it, that's what I mean by the provided part.

Pizzagate doesn't need to be distracted from imo, if they wanted it to fail they could just as easily infiltrate the movement and fill it with misleading crap, which considering the amount of misleading stuff that gets a lot of attention I do find that plausible. Trump does have business connections with Russia, and has lied about knowing Putin, so I find it reasonable to look into.

I don't acknowledge that this is a pedophile ring, there may be something with Silsby trafficking and Clinton connection to that, but I don't think it has anything to do with the coded emails, symbols, ping pong pizza and Pegasus museum stuff, instagram accounts, or many of the other connections that have been drawn. It could also be drugs or guns, which iirc, were ran through Mena in the past.

And come on, let's not use the "think of the children" argument, we can care about more than one thing at once and that's been used by the media to push their agenda, we've even called it out on here iirc (after any school shooting it seems to be used).

Have them explain the pizzas for sale that are offered at a discount because they won't make it much longer and to be sure to finish your pizza or there will be repercussions.

Oh man. I swear I starting to block all of this out of my memory, I forgot about this too. Do you have the link for this thread on Voat? I couldn't find it ...

I'm getting most of my info from individual yutube vids.

Remind people that pizzagate is more than just Comet Ping Pong. Have them look into cases like the Franklin scandal, Michael Aquino, the Finders and the CIA, Cathy O'Brien, and the Dutroux Affair. This is all strong evidence that something sinister and widespread is going on

No, 4chan and reddit are where people initially started amassing all of the evidence that they found, comparing notes and finding new people/places to investigate.

The idea that PG is a "fake story" is just a straw man that MSM mouthpieces use to discredit the idea with NO examination of evidence, whatsoever. The lack of information within these hit pieces, in itself, should be a red flag to anybody who asks questions; but, A significant portion of the population gobbles up these articles as truth - a victory of the American Educational System, if you will.

Things probably aren't all as bad as they seem, though. I submit that it only looks that way because the idiots that I mentioned above are Facebook's prime demographic. Who is dumber, the idiot or the one who insists on arguing with said idiot?

So I've tried to be very clear in my post, that I would must rather be wrong about this and have it thoroughly investigated, than have any lick of this be right and have it ignored and ridiculed. That was just met with more ridiculing and advising me to stay off the internet for a bit, lol. Its not easy to do the right thing, but I'm not going to shut about this. Something is amiss, and we owe it to our children to make sure these perpetrators are exposed.

I am encouraged by your sense of duty and responsibility. Just the same, maybe my experience is a cautionary tale.

I started following PG investigations in last days of October. I was much more about the initial George Webb line of investigating the CF and CGI (arms, oil, money,). After seeing the FBIAnon threads, I started looking into it, and sure enough I started running across the same themes/information that anyone who followed the trail will find.

Just after the election. much like yourself, I was driven to share what I considered overwhelming evidence to help protect children and bring abusers to justice. I used my TWTR acct to get the word out as best as I knew how. My account was suspended in December. I appealed it, and just got the notification a week ago that the suspension is permanent. I started two other accounts, but they were both shadowbanned in short order (I found out from followers who were kind enough to tell me). Now, I can't start a new acct unless I give them my digits (eff TWTR!!!). In addition to this, I also got a 48 hour ban from all of reddit for "concern trolling." PG has been attacked by MSM, but the social media sites are more dangerous. They attack people who try to spread truth about this mess. It's all being done to shape the popular perception that it is a "crazy fringe theory." Firstly, it would not surprise me at all if your likes and positive comments from FB friends are being suppressed or redirected - one of the initial ideas of FB was to make insecure sheep feel popular with digital "friends" and "likes." It has the opposite effect on people with "unpopular" views or ideas. Also, if you are going to talk about PG, make sure you do so on an account that you are willing to lose.

My advice to you is to share the information IRL, where the sheep have much less of a herd mentality - and you have the opportunity to connect with individuals personally and to walk them through the information. That is the most effective (and safest) way to spread the word, IMO. I wish you the best of luck and emotional peace as you go forward - I believe you will need it.

Thanks for your response. I'm not active on Twitter other than to read others posts, and thankfully I don't actually have a big FB following. Unless I'm posting pictures of my family or talking about fun outings or vacations, I won't get more than 1-2 likes on my posts. Perhaps it has been active suppression or redirection, or people in my FB friend group just don't give a shit about my political ramblings. I did have a coworker come and talk to me (she's the only coworker I'm friends with on FB because I trust her) and she was curious about PG. I was worried enough to post anything on FB honestly, but I think I crafted it in a way to not prevent me from getting banned, because obviously I want to keep my personal account I've had since 2005. Thanks for your advice!

I've eaten at Comet Pizza a few times in the neighborhood and never saw any of that crazy stuff.

So? Nobody says that they don't make pizza. Dig a little or why even come to this sub?

There was a guy busted for selling drugs out of an ice cream truck, I'm sure plenty of people got yummy ice cream from him for years and didn't even know it was a front for a drug distribution ring.

At first I thought the 4chan archived posts were just BS. An actual FBI source posting these kind of far-fetched crazy theories? Yeah right.

But what solidified it for me was that, in those forums, the FBIanon said that a document dump would be coming very soon. Lo and behold, in the time frame that he alluded to, the FBI Vault twitter account awakened after being dormant for years and posted a bunch of official FBI documents that led Reddit and 4chan "investigators" on a bunch of new rabbit holes through new leads related to these "far-fetched" theories. It's staggering where these connections from the official FBI documents, paired with the authenticated Podesta leaks (and past leaks that touch on related DynCorp/Stratfor matters), have led us since November.

This is the one thing that got me... It was way too coincidental for the FBI twitter account to become active again and the documents it was releasing even gave nods to 4chan. I don't really see this brought up very often, but this was the most convincing thing out of all of it.

4chan is pretty blatant about anything they do for the LULZ. they don't hide things when they're planning to create disinfo, it just stays on the board. obviously pizzagate came from /pol/, not /b/.

I am encouraged by your sense of duty and responsibility. Just the same, maybe my experience is a cautionary tale.

I started following PG investigations in last days of October. I was much more about the initial George Webb line of investigating the CF and CGI (arms, oil, money,). After seeing the FBIAnon threads, I started looking into it, and sure enough I started running across the same themes/information that anyone who followed the trail will find.

Just after the election. much like yourself, I was driven to share what I considered overwhelming evidence to help protect children and bring abusers to justice. I used my TWTR acct to get the word out as best as I knew how. My account was suspended in December. I appealed it, and just got the notification a week ago that the suspension is permanent. I started two other accounts, but they were both shadowbanned in short order (I found out from followers who were kind enough to tell me). Now, I can't start a new acct unless I give them my digits (eff TWTR!!!). In addition to this, I also got a 48 hour ban from all of reddit for "concern trolling." PG has been attacked by MSM, but the social media sites are more dangerous. They attack people who try to spread truth about this mess. It's all being done to shape the popular perception that it is a "crazy fringe theory." Firstly, it would not surprise me at all if your likes and positive comments from FB friends are being suppressed or redirected - one of the initial ideas of FB was to make insecure sheep feel popular with digital "friends" and "likes." It has the opposite effect on people with "unpopular" views or ideas. Also, if you are going to talk about PG, make sure you do so on an account that you are willing to lose.

My advice to you is to share the information IRL, where the sheep have much less of a herd mentality - and you have the opportunity to connect with individuals personally and to walk them through the information. That is the most effective (and safest) way to spread the word, IMO. I wish you the best of luck and emotional peace as you go forward - I believe you will need it.