Since OP conveniently omitted posting a source on this quote Let me bring some clarity here:

Jean Monnet, founding father of the ECSC, has often wrongly had the following apocryphal lines attributed to him:

Europe’s nations should be guided towards the super-state without their people understanding what is happening. This can be accomplished by successive steps each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation.

In fact, these weren’t Monnet’s words at all – but those of the Conservative politician and author, Adrian Hilton, in The Principality and Power of Europe, published in 1997. Yet this is almost by the by. That so many have ascribed the quote to Monnet is because so many have been so shocked at what the European project has since become.

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Edit: not that I'm pro Europe on the contrary

Monnet could totally have said this though, what the European project has since become is what he worked for.

Thank you, I just spent 5 minutes reading through the article to find that quote to no vail

Ctrl+F "Jean Monnet, founding father"
There are no anchors to link directly towards

Oh, by article I meant OPs Wikipedia article, not the one you provided

Ohw... today is a good day to derp hard :p

Federation would be good, they aren't even suggesting that, what their suggesting is Soviet Union style , no borders between states ,every state would be the same multicultural shithole and with a leader "chosen by god knows who". This is literally the 2nd try for communism(UBI) in Europe and we need to fucking leave it immediately.

All those tens of thousands rioting in France for the last few only have to go and snatch up about a 100 key people and they would get it all resolved.

Instead they're burning up their own cars, neighborhoods, and fighting with pawn cops which is pointless because the 1% will keep circumventing everything to get what they want

Those french aren't fighting the eu and for their survival , their fighting their government and for lower work, but yah La Pen needs to Win

yeah i know, that's what I meant; the french citizens really only need to grab about 100 people via direct house visits and round em up in a prison camp, while taking over the Gov via a coup, and they'd get what they want over night.

Do the same in all of E.U. and U.K. one country at a time, because the street protests will only put a new puppet in power who will have his arm twisted by IMF/Germany/Others to 'play along'

You're thinking of a welfare state, communism is where the workers have all the power and owns the means of production. Also doesn't allow private property.

communism is where the workers have all the power and owns the means of production. Also doesn't allow private property.

Lived in communist Romania , workers were slaves and powerless , state owned everything.

UBI is communism make no mistake about it , it's a reformed version anyway.

Private property,lol ... like you would be able to open and own a small businesses in the future and stay competitive.

Only mega-corps would exist in the future , they will swallow all medium sized and intermediate sized businesses, and communism 2.0 will be live.

That's not communism then. It's a fascist state. McCarthy just led a misinformation campaign to get everyone afraid of a system that would actually defeat those at the top.

McCarthy just led a misinformation campaign to get everyone afraid of a system that would actually defeat those at the top.

Then why did many leading communists and intellectuals of the day praise Stalin's Russia and Mao's China? Other than Trotskyists no one seriously suggested they weren't. Only when the scope and depth of their crimes was revealed did people start going "oh, they weren't really communist or socialist".

To this day you'll find Soviet and Maoist nostalgia pieces on /r/socliasm -- until outsiders show up and then it's back to denying it. /r/communism is unabashedly pro Stalin/Mao/Kim, which is kind of ironic considering their SJW stance and the fact these guys ruthlessly opposed it denouncing it as western decadence. Stalin was the one that re-criminalized homosexuality after all.

Because most of those crimes are western propaganda. Stalin's kill count they always claim is innocent civilians was the count of Nazi's/soldiers/and criminals put to death. Maos? It was a farming plague. But regardless, both those regimes could not achieve full socialism due to capitalist pressure and wartime economy practices. Both started out okay, Russia and China were feudal shit countries before, and transformed to a major industrialized world power in a ridiculously short span after turning towards socialism.

Because most of those crimes are western propaganda.

Except all the ones confirmed from the Soviet archives, straight from the horses mouth. Btw isn't this what he was saying? One minute they're not really communist, the next minute you're jumping to their defense.

Correction: you lived in reformist Romania. True communism died with Stalin(rip).

Holy shit, you're either an economic illiterate, trolling, or joking.

I just tend to ignore anyone who claims any country is/was communist. There never has been a truly communist country and anyone who knows the correct definition of what communism is also knows that a truly communist country is an impossibility that will never happen.

Common response from anyone who hasn't even tried to learn one thing about Marxist/Leninist theroy. Tell me where communism has failed, and I'll tell you that it wasn't communism, but the reformists who ruined communism.

Ok, communism failed in Stalin's USSR, along with every other other country that ever claimed to be communist.

So leading the world as a nuclear power and wining the space race is proof as failure?

Neither of those assertions support the claim that the USSR was a successful communist country.

Communist countries have never actually existed because the concept of a communist state is an oxymoron. Calling your country communist does not make your country communist, don't let names like the Democratic People's Republic of Korea fool you.

Of every country claiming to be communist, none of them have ever achieved a stateless classless society, an impossible requirement for communism.

wining the space race is proof as failure?

Winning the space race? Unfortunately for Stalinist tools history did not end in the 50s/early 60s. They were ahead .. and then they weren't, and then they were surpassed.

It's absurd as saying X one a 100 yard dash because he was in the lead for the first 5 yards even though he ultimately lost.

They failed because they were communist. Educate yourself.

Care to use a source that isn't a .com or some blogspot. I would like to see facts not opinions.

Sorry, already proved it wrong. You don't get to dismiss something based on where it came from. If the contents of the page were wrong, you could prove it.

So how does Capitalism work?

What was 1882, 1893 1929? 2008? I could list a 50 more examples of when Capitalism failed, and required heavy governmental intervention.

Telling someone to educate themselves, then links to a blog from a person that can't even be bother to cite the work is fucking hilarious. The following articles are equally stupid, "Communism causes poverty" I can walk 2 miles away and find some extreme poverty, in the Capitalist standard of the world.

I'm glad you are questioning Communism for it's failings, I hope to god you are doing the same with Capitalism.

What was 1882, 1893 1929? 2008? I could list a 50 more examples of when Capitalism failed

No, you couldn't, because Keynesianism isn't capitalism and the IMF's system is not capitalistic.

Telling someone to educate themselves, then links to a blog from a person that can't even be bother to cite the work is fucking hilarious.

So you have no refutation at all.

I'm glad you are questioning Communism for it's failings, I hope to god you are doing the same with Capitalism.

The failings with "capitalism" aren't capitalistic. We don't have a capitalist system.

I should point that that Keynesian policies were never instituted until AFTER the Great Depression. So yah Captialism has failed multiple times before Keynes was even fucking alive. You keep believing what you want though.

How can one refute ignorant opinion, like I said you didn't even give a article that has citation, it's a literal opinion piece. My opinion will be just as in depth, that article is a fucking joke, without shred of intellectual weight.

I see what you are doing there, let me do the same. that was never really communism that failed then, there never has been communism.

Captialism has failed

So you still don't comprehend what words mean.

How can one refute ignorant opinion

If it's wrong, you can provide evidence against it.

like I said you didn't even give a article that has citation,

Your point is what? Is the content false? If so, you can prove it.

it's a literal opinion piece.

Rather, it's a fact piece that hurts your feelings, so you can do fuck all about it.

I see what you are doing there, let me do the same.

Not really, no. You don't understand it at all. In no way am I saying that capitalism has not been tried. You, however, are shitposting about communism not being tried.

there never has been communism.

Every communist nation on Earth has enacted all of the tenants of communism.

Have fun with your blog there, it's a real winner.

You have no argument. You have no refutation. You have nothing to add whatsoever. You are wrong and have been proven so. Stop acting like a titanic infant.

Was it 'true communism' when the Soviet Union turned on their anarchist and socialist brethren during the Spanish civil war? Was it 'true communism' when he murdered thousands of otherwise loyal communists because they could potentially oppose him? Was 'true communism' when he invaded Poland WITH Nazi Germany? Was the mass rape of Polish, German -- and even Russian -- women when the Red Army advanced west 'true communism'? Was 'true communism' when the tartars were forcibly expelled from Crimea? Nothing says social justice like ethnic cleansing!

How this post is necessary on /r/conspiracy is beyond me. Almost every European state was founded the exact same way. The same as in Switzerland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonderbund_War will happen in Europe, all over again. Because they can't get enough, they absolutely have to make a world state.

The only hope there is would be that exactly as the same in Switzerland will happen and the EU dissolves into a direct democratic, highly federated state...

I don't know why anyone thinks it's possible to avoid federation or increased interlinking with surrounding populations. Eventually that will make the real struggle (between crazy rich sociopaths running everything into the ground and the common people of humanity) more apparent and people won't be able to think "oh well at least we're not britain" or "oh well at least we aren't the french" or "oh well at least we're not americans".

I used to believe that one big eu was a good thing, we needed to unite since we're sitting in between USA and Russia. Now I think that the best thing is splitting USA and Russia up into small countries like the EU used to be and still in in most ways.

When a country is small you know where your leaders live and they know that you know so they tend to be less corrupt.

We need 1000 more nation states. Not less

It is utterly amazing to me that people do not understand this.

And many here should take note - first you bring an economic union into the conversation , and you can then slowly, over generations, get to where you need to be.

The instructions are laid out pretty easy to see.

Europe is kind of like the US 200 years ago.

The US got stronger and stronger as a federation as it implemented more institutions.

The EU bureaucracy has no desire for the clear and easy to see lesson of US history, and instead wants to run Europe from Frankfurt, and Brussels with absolutely no democratic input from the people, or common sense economic policy.

It's amazing to me.

It's like a dictatorship of the technocrats.

It has to be this way, for now - until they get 9/11d.

Then they'll get their Federation of a United Europe - and we'll inch closer and closer.

It's like a dictatorship of the technocrats.

Except for the European Jewish Congress, which is a select club of altruistic gentlemen.

One King to Rule Them All

It's not like nationalism ever hurt Europe, how could anyone want to change it?....oh, now I remember, something about a couple wars...

Except for the racism, genocide and military conquest killing millions, Hitler and the EU are going for the same thing? Who knew?

Thanks Reddit!

Correction: you lived in reformist Romania. True communism died with Stalin(rip).

That's not communism then. It's a fascist state. McCarthy just led a misinformation campaign to get everyone afraid of a system that would actually defeat those at the top.

They failed because they were communist. Educate yourself.

So leading the world as a nuclear power and wining the space race is proof as failure?