Meta Question: What are the conspiracy theories that you DON'T believe in?
8 2014-12-12 by OB1_kenobi
edit: wow, 89 comments and counting. Just want to say thanks for the response. I got the idea for this yesterday after I posted a clip by David Icke. One commentor expressed some doubts about the whole reptillian thing and that's what gave me the idea for this.
101 comments
19 [deleted] 2014-12-12
I DON'T believe that 19 saudi's directed by a guy in a cave pulled off 9/11.
I don't believe 26 kids were shot by Adam Lanza at Sandy Hook Elementary School.
I don't believe the Boston Marathon bombing was real.
I DO believe we have the most corrupt administration in history and the false flag attacks will keep coming.
4 down_vote_city__ 2014-12-12
Like, in that it actually happened or the arrested victims?
7 [deleted] 2014-12-12
The FBI had been following the two brothers for 5 years and knew who they were.
I believe pyrotechnics were used (I have a photo of the bald guy who launched the first firework). I have a photo of the guy who placed the pre-blown up backpack on the scene. We see stumpy pulling on his fake leg. We see Krystara Brassard running alongside a gurney yet later we are told she almost needed her leg amputated due to injury. WTF?
I could go on and on and on. And on.
"We need to talk about the Boston Marathon Bombing."
3 down_vote_city__ 2014-12-12
Would you mind sharing those photos? I'm curious now.
-1 [deleted] 2014-12-12
Oh, I've got tons. I don't know how to load them on reddit though.
I could point out some super shady shit going on from uploaded Youtube videos, tho
1 Bill_Murray2014 2014-12-12
What, so you personally took the photos because you were there?
If not, where did you get them from? Can you not link us to a website which contains them?
You can upload images to this website for free without signing up for anything. Then you can just link us to them.
-4 psynnn 2014-12-12
There were almost 200 injured...
1 [deleted] 2014-12-12
I would suggest you watch video of the "bomb" blasts and see for your own eyes if there were 200 people close enough to the pyrotechnics to get injured.
In all, there was one injury: the bald guy who launched the pyrotechnic burned his big head.
1 psynnn 2014-12-12
There were two bombs. Three people died. Dozens had amputations of varying degrees. There's no way thousands of people (spectators, emergency personnel, hospital staff, law enforcement, insurance agents) would be in on this without someone coming forward. Use common sense.
0 [deleted] 2014-12-12
Hello Psynnn --
I would invite you to use common sense.
The Boston Marathon Bombing was really a hoax.
It was a farce of grotesque proportions and highly treasonous.
All of the amputations were fake.
Crisis actors were used.
But I would not expect your typical American to be onto such corruption. Go ahead and keep trusting your leaders.
You'll be fine.
1 psynnn 2014-12-12
It's not my leaders I trust; it's the people I personally know who experienced all that first-hand.
0 [deleted] 2014-12-12
like jeff bauman attaching and strapping on a fake leg stump, helped by Christian?
1 psynnn 2014-12-12
What about it?
1 [deleted] 2014-12-12
you saw it strapped on first hand?
0 psynnn 2014-12-12
No, just saw him without legs.
-4 just_do_the_math 2014-12-12
All paid actors of course /s
-3 psynnn 2014-12-12
I always wonder if people believe that. It'd have to be THOUSANDS of actors and other involved in the coverup (assuming the hypothesis is "nobody got hurt").
2 just_do_the_math 2014-12-12
Have you ever tried making a career out of acting? A gig's a gig...lol.
3 [deleted] 2014-12-12
I believe what we saw was a pre-planned fireworks show/ smoke bomb and then actors who pretended they were injured.
1 johnknoefler 2014-12-12
I'm just glad to see people are waking up and are not fooled by cheap television stunts.
3 thonspiracy_ceorist 2014-12-12
C'mon man. He's talking about theories against the government that you don't believe. We all know, but this thread is meta.
6 de_la_sankarbocknov 2014-12-12
I was going to write the same thing he did. People can answer how they see fit. The MSM narrative is a huge fucking lie on each one of those topics.
2 [deleted] 2014-12-12
Oh, did I mix that all up?
Too early. I'll grab some coffee and re-think this.
9 FB777 2014-12-12
I represent only myself, but I can not believe in any theory at all. It is not about believe systems when you have a scientific approach. And theories are a scientific approach, some steps ahead of collecting scientific knowledge on a certain matter. With other words believes and knowledge do not mix together well. Believes are subjective and do not help in objective reasoning.
Some theories have higher probability and you may say that those with higher probability, less contradicting evidence and the ones that have been tested after years of research are considered more useful to understand the world we are living in than others. But which ones somebody considers useful may be different from individual to individual.
For sure there are some absurd theories that have no real value to be repeated and are considered to be unreliable. For instance the flat world theory and the official 9/11 conspiracy theory about Osama and his 19 hijackers.
1 psynnn 2014-12-12
I feel like the "official" theory has Saudi influence included, no?
9 cali_gunner 2014-12-12
Sandy Hook/crisis actors... just answering OP more than criticizing any evidence. I just never believed it wasn't a sick kid who chose a vulnerable target.
10 Thevents 2014-12-12
A kid who wouldn't touch metal, couldn't stand loud noises (wouldn't let mother wear heels in the house), and was so uncoordinated his mother was surprised that he could tie his own shoes.
Source:
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/03/17/the-reckoning
Hardly sounds like the traits of a master marksman to me.
11 down_vote_city__ 2014-12-12
As a side note, I also found it really...odd that the community / parents lobbied so hard for the complete concealment of adolescent autopsy reports from public record directly after the Sandy Hook incident.
That's, uh, public records, yo.
7 Ambiguously_Ironic 2014-12-12
And the school was demolished. And the newly installed cameras just happened to not be recording.
1 cali_gunner 2014-12-12
he was shooting kids at close range. doesn't take much skill. also your article says the mom taught adam how to shoot - seems like he could touch metal and knew marksmanship foundations.
4 spasticbadger 2014-12-12
Erm just think about it for a second, you are in his place standing in a doorway to a classroom with a gun pointed at a bunch of children. Do they stand still while you shoot each one? No they would be scrambling around over each other, hiding etc it would be very difficult to finish them with the clinical precision that is claimed.
2 cali_gunner 2014-12-12
you don't need clinical precision at close range with a handgun on children. it's fairly point and shoot like a camera. this isn't a long range shooting scenario where you evaluate time to target, elevation and windage. "erm" I think you have no clue about shooting.
6 spasticbadger 2014-12-12
I'm the one with no clue about shooting? ok.
-3 cali_gunner 2014-12-12
No you're an absolute idiot talking about clinical precision and how hard it is to hit children without combat experience scrambling to shelter in place in a small room.
6 spasticbadger 2014-12-12
Very difficult, especially with a handgun with what 13 rounds in it? There's no way. Someone here will have more info on this but there is no need to resort to name calling.
-3 cali_gunner 2014-12-12
he had more than one magazine and it takes 2 seconds to swap magazines. when people's ears are ringing and they're terrified and they're children there's hardly someone able to jump up in a two second window and disarm him like Jack Bauer. pull your head out of your asshole.
also I'm not calling names I'm calling facts.
3 Ambiguously_Ironic 2014-12-12
27 bullets, 26 kills. Sounds pretty clinical to me.
-5 cali_gunner 2014-12-12
little children aren't NFL linebackers with 400 years of slavery breeding in them. when a little kid gets shot they don't hulk up and start fighting back. go shoot a handgun and see how easy it is. if this was a fake school and fake deaths then how can this many people be in on it? it isn't 911 and a case of government privilege.
3 Ambiguously_Ironic 2014-12-12
No shit. Doesn't change the fact that 27 bullets were fired and 26 of them were kill shots. Not 26 or 27 bullets hit their targets , 26 of 27 bullets were killshots . This is a huge and important distinction and does suggest "clinical" accuracy.
How many people would actually need to be in on it? 50? 100? And this question is irrelevant anyway, we don't need to have an answer to it in order to notice the numerous and obvious problems with the official story and the apparent cover-up that's followed.
1 cali_gunner 2014-12-12
when you say kill shot you think video game instakill and you're not thinking rationally about people who bled out later or didn't die when the bullet touched them. little kids will die quicker than a bigger person who is more developed.
why don't you say anything about anders breivik being able to kill 90 children?
1 Ambiguously_Ironic 2014-12-12
When I say "kill shot" I literally mean a shot that led to death. Nothing more, nothing less. In no other shooting I can remember was the assassin so accurate. Try to find me another example of someone with a kill shot % that's even close to 96%.
There can be at the very least no argument that Adam Lanza, if he was the killer, was very skilled.
Why would I randomly have said something about him when that's not what we're talking about? Completely different case with completely different circumstances.
1 cali_gunner 2014-12-12
You are literally calling this a conspiracy based on the shots fired. You aren't credible. What is credible is that actual children existed and died, and now state courts are verifying such things in wrongful death suits.
http://foxct.com/2014/12/09/parents-of-sandy-hook-tragedy-file-wrongful-death-claims/
0 Ambiguously_Ironic 2014-12-12
Can you point out to me where I did that? All I'm doing here is disputing your earlier claim that "you don't need clinical precision" to do what supposedly happened at Sandy Hook because it's just false, period. Stop putting words in my mouth.
1 cali_gunner 2014-12-12
It's not clinical precision to hit a child above the waist and they die from the injury. if he felled the entire san diego chargers lineup with one shot each, fine.
0 redditeditard 2014-12-12
Wteverluvinf?
-2 TheRehabKid 2014-12-12
Can you provide a source of this "clinical precision"? I've heard this a couple times around here and still haven't found anything about his accuracy.
1 Ambiguously_Ironic 2014-12-12
He apparently fired 27 bullets while achieving 26 kills. K/W ratio of 26:1. That's over 96% accuracy and is almost unheard of.
5 TheRehabKid 2014-12-12
So....still no source?
Edit: Everything I'm reading says he fired 155 shots in 5 minutes. That's a 16.77% accuracy. Not really the crack shot you all want to make him out to be.
http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/28/17501282-investigators-adam-lanza-surrounded-by-weapons-at-home-attack-took-less-than-5-minutes?lite
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/newtown-gunman-adam-lanzas-home-held-arsenal-of-weapons-documents-show/
-1 Ambiguously_Ironic 2014-12-12
Here, let me google that for you since you are apparently incapable.
http://memoryholeblog.com/2014/06/10/sandy-hook-a-quantitative-criminological-inquiry/
There are literally hundreds of sources that 10 seconds of searching would have turned up. The number of killed and wounded is publicly available information - it's pretty obvious that you know very little about Sandy Hook.
3 TheRehabKid 2014-12-12
I'm not incapable, and had you read my post you would have realized that I did google it and found different results than you.
My whole point, which you obviously missed either out of ignorance or arrogance was that if you make a claim you should be the one to back it up.
And did you even read your link? It says nothing about how many shots were fired...which is what the original claim was. What your link does show is that while Sandy Hook was an outlier, it is still possible to kill that many and only wounding a few. You can't dismiss an outlier simply because it is an outlier
2 Ambiguously_Ironic 2014-12-12
26:1 KW ratio is almost unheard of and suggests an extremely high level of firearm skill. That's the inescapable and important thing to realize.
And if this were the only strange fact about SH, instead of one of hundreds of anomalies, you may have a point about this being an outlier. We'll agree to disagree.
1 TheRehabKid 2014-12-12
26:3, not 26:1.
And like I said, it's an outlier. Even someone bad with guns has a chance of doing it. He may have naturally been good at handling guns as well.
And what you consider an anomaly doesn't make it an anomaly.
1 Ambiguously_Ironic 2014-12-12
Haha. Okay man, I hope you feel better now that you've gotten that out of your system.
1 TheRehabKid 2014-12-12
Haha. Avoid all valid points and point out the one thing I edited out of my post (a little too late apparently) that has nothing to do with the actual argument. Typical.
1 Ambiguously_Ironic 2014-12-12
When you say dumb shit like that it makes it obvious that you aren't here to have a discussion and thus aren't worth my time. Sorry that I caught your edit and thus your obvious underlying intentions before you were able to hide them.
1 TheRehabKid 2014-12-12
Right. Forgot you can be derogatory and patronizing and still be taken seriously, you hypocritical, arrogant, nobody.
1 Ambiguously_Ironic 2014-12-12
Now do you feel better?
0 TheRehabKid 2014-12-12
It doesn't affect me one way or the other to point out facts.
But you just love dodging things. Hope you got your exercise!
0 Tchocky 2014-12-12
Yeah but you've not showed anything to support that ratio. You're just saying it happened like that.
2 Ambiguously_Ironic 2014-12-12
What are you talking about? 26 killed, 1 wounded. For a kill-to-wounded ratio of 26:1. These numbers aren't in dispute...
1 Tchocky 2014-12-12
You're right. Silly me. I'm still looking for a source on the shots fired statement, though. That needs backing up.
2 stealthboy 2014-12-12
The whole Sandy Hook thing as a conspiracy really bothers me. So many people would have to be in on it - how are they all remaining silent?
3 spasticbadger 2014-12-12
Money.
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0 cali_gunner 2014-12-12
I hate this sub of gossiping idiots.
5 jafbm 2014-12-12
Anything to do with Satanism.
2 Ambiguously_Ironic 2014-12-12
Read a book called The Ultimate Evil by Maury Terry. Satanic cults have been a reality in this country for decades at least.
-4 jafbm 2014-12-12
I know. But only Christards think they are legit. Atheists like me realize they are more fakery
2 Ambiguously_Ironic 2014-12-12
I don't know what you mean by "more fakery". How much do you know about the Process Church, for instance? My guess is not very much at all. You really should look into it - that book I cited is a great resource to get started. The existence of Satanic cults is not in dispute, regardless of whether their beliefs themselves are legitimate or "real" or not.
-1 jafbm 2014-12-12
What's the point? I mean, that's like saying "you really should look into unicorns, they are neat"
2 Ambiguously_Ironic 2014-12-12
If people were committing murder in the name of unicorns and/or based on their belief in unicorns, then it would be important to look into this belief system, would it not? Are you suggesting that it's better to continue pretending like Satanic cults don't exist and that, for instance, Son of Sam was a lone killer rather than part of a group of people working together (i.e. a conspiracy)?
You sound like the mainstream media who've done nothing but downplay and deny the existence of Satanism for the last 30 years. Your personal belief in Satan/God/religion is wholly irrelevant here. I don't believe in a literal "Satan" either but that doesn't mean I deny the reality of Satanic cult activity.
1 jafbm 2014-12-12
Where's your evidence of people committing murders? Show me the evidence
1 Ambiguously_Ironic 2014-12-12
Well Son of Sam was a member of a Satanic cult so there are some murders for you to look into.
Also read the book I mentioned or look into the Finders and the underground tunnels discovered under the McMartin preschool.
Or read this.
Or read up on the Process Church and its links to Charles Manson and Scientology.
0 Dude_wtf_seriously 2014-12-12
Thats exactly what you're supposed to think... good job toe-ing the line.
3 ToplessMan 2014-12-12
I don't believe that there are large lizard humanoids living beneath the earth, eating our children and controlling our entire species by shape shifting into our skin and placing themselves in high government positions.
Another theory I don't believe is the Hollow Earth, the theory states there is no core and there is infact an entire unexplored "world" within our earth. Where aliens and humans co-exist (also mammoths apparently). There are said to be many entrances to this inner earth, the ones I remember are located at the Poles. It is a very fascinating theory though and if you have time to kill, give it a google.
3 just_do_the_math 2014-12-12
Hahaha I don't think those count as "theories." That's like saying I don't believe science fiction is non-fiction.
1 ToplessMan 2014-12-12
Some people are 100% sure these things are real, I believe reptilians are covered massively by David Icke. I'm pretty new to the whole conspiracy game really. Just dropped in after 9/11, it just seemed to coincidental that the US gained the perfect excuse to invade yet enough country full of resources. Anyways, not to stray from my point. Some people feel so strongly about these theories that they have dedicated their lives to getting the word out. Yes, they are absurd. However I don't think people like David spread the word because they think that they're a neat "story to tell".
1 lisabauer58 2014-12-12
I like the hollow earth one. I am not big on many ideas but this one sparks my curiosity. I like to imagine that life in the hollow world would actually show people upside down from us. If the core itself is like a sun then the people, lakes, mountains etc are the under skin of ourselfs above. Its an interesting idea which makes me think that gravity has some kind of line where those above and those below utilize and that gravity does not become stronger closer at the core. Fun stuff. :)
1 OB1_kenobi 2014-12-12
When I was 15, I read some books by Edgar Rice Burroughs. Besides Tarzan and John Carter of Mars, he wrote about an inner Earth realm called Pellucidar.
Brave adventurer finds his way in by accident, meets up with primitive people and has all kinds of adventures. Classic Burroughs stuff. I'm pretty sure that his books and the theories about this are based on a book from the 1800's called The Coming Race. It predates the other stories and refers to some sort of underground/inner Earth realm.
3 canihaveahint 2014-12-12
Fuck bigfoot
1 bodhidharma6 2014-12-12
Are there actual conspiracy theories surrounding bigfoot? Like, theories that it doesn't just exist, but that shadowy organizations are actually hiding it?
1 just_do_the_math 2014-12-12
If you look hard enough I'm sure you could find "evidence" that shadowy organizations are hiding it. Bigfoot something something petrodollar.
1 bodhidharma6 2014-12-12
Made me gag on my mouthful of coffee :)
1 canihaveahint 2014-12-12
lol. I don't think so. But here's a fun story about the Giant toothy aboriginals who once roamed wisconsin .
3 MehNmp 2014-12-12
I fully believe the moon landings were real. Everything else I can understand being a conspiracy (SHES,9/11,7/7 etc.)
3 BrianMayFan 2014-12-12
Same here. I find it hard to believe that 50,000 people involved from the bottom of the ladder to the very top at NASA were somehow in on the conspiracy. Clinton can't even get his dick sucked in The Oval Office without the world finding out for god sake!
3 Not_Joking 2014-12-12
I do not believe that the security apparatus of the USGOV is conspiring in earnest to advance the well being and general welfare of the citizens of the US of A. I just can't find enough evidence.
0 just_do_the_math 2014-12-12
Well, whether the USGOV is doing so purposefully, show me another country that has had such an increase in the general welfare of it's citizens in it's history.
2 psynnn 2014-12-12
I don't believe Sandy Hook or the Boston Bombing were faked in any way. Also, I don't think any of the buildings that collapsed on 9/11 were done through explosives.
1 etatrudna 2014-12-12
Personally? HAARP, contrails, parts of 9/11, vaccination hysteria, Sandy Hook, the wildly overblown child satanic Euro royalty thing, Russia, ISIS, global warming, Jewish takeover conspiracy.
This is going to send me to the bottom of the page in a hurry, but I downvote all of that stuff.
The real conspiracy is that the global movers and shakers and bankers are stealing world blind and will blow all of us up in the process. The rest of it is a sideshow.
5 Ambiguously_Ironic 2014-12-12
You're way off about the global pedophilia rings. Literally tens of thousands of children per year are victims of it and law enforcement and the media are complicit in the cover-up.
Read this.
4 JamesColesPardon 2014-12-12
Couldn't it be then said that at least some if those events listed were created, or facilitated, specifically as distractions ?
4 etatrudna 2014-12-12
They were created by low information gossipers as distractions from the real shitshow, which is most of the wealth from all the planet and all of its inhabitants is held by less less than 100 people. These are the people pulling the strings, and these are the psychopaths who are leading us us into self immolation.
4 hypercompact 2014-12-12
I pretty much agree with this. I don't believe in an omnipotent government like most conspiracy theorists do. The conspiracy is greed and agenda setting for more gain and more greed. Not crazy false flag operations that could blow up in their faces. There are bad and incompetent people in the world as well (I mean people who DON't work for the government), simple as that. The answer the every question is not: "That's what they want you to believe."
-1 cali_gunner 2014-12-12
who do you think these movers, shakers and bankers are? which religoethnic group do they largely consist of?
1 BeardslyMcGee 2014-12-12
White Christians?
-1 just_do_the_math 2014-12-12
Umm, all of the religoethnic(?) groups that have access to natural resources and economies that harness those natural resources? Like the Russian oligarchs, African precious metals bandits, others.
1 User_Name13 2014-12-12
UFOS, anything to do with extraterrestrials at Area 51, I think those "conspiracy theories" are planted by disinfo agents to make us, conspiracy theorists (though I'm not a big fan of that phrase) look bad.
1 [deleted] 2014-12-12
There are certain topics about which I feel strongly (9/11, Boston Bombing, Osama Bin Laden, Federal Reserve, CIA Drug Dealing). There are certain topics about which I am on the fence, or have serious questions (crisis actors, Sandy Hook, vaccines, chemtrails, Moon Landing), and others which I find patently silly (Reptilians, 9/11 laser beams, holocaust didn't happen). And on that note, fuck all the, "Hitler wasn't such a bad guy, I'd let him babysit my kids," bullshit on this sub lately.
0 Bill_Murray2014 2014-12-12
Sandy Hook, Boston Bombings, Aurora, chemtrails, 9/11 (MIHOP), moon landing hoax, the Reptilian shapeshifting elite, Illuminati related conspiracy theories including the NWO, the conspiracy that the Rothschild banking dynasty own every central bank in the world, short of North Korea and Iran.
0 redditeditard 2014-12-12
Aliens
1 Ambiguously_Ironic 2014-12-12
When you say dumb shit like that it makes it obvious that you aren't here to have a discussion and thus aren't worth my time. Sorry that I caught your edit and thus your obvious underlying intentions before you were able to hide them.
1 johnknoefler 2014-12-12
I'm just glad to see people are waking up and are not fooled by cheap television stunts.