latest I could find is that it was downed by Ukrainian fighter jets - but this is to be taken with huge reserve , just as "official western story"

Two Ukrainian Government Fighter-Jets Shot Down Malaysian Airlines MH17

OCSE monitor mentions bullet holes in MH17

Shocking Analysis of the ‘Shooting Down’ of Malaysian MH17

Its weird how there are a bunch of videos of the plane's smoldering wreckage, but none of these Ukrainian fighter jets flown by invisible pink unicorns. One would imagine a single Ukrainian would've noticed and taken a video similar to this: http://youtu.be/pGe35Ci-1Lw

I mean, even Russia agrees the plane was shot down by a surface-to-air missile...

Plenty of sources have been claiming MH17 was shadowed by Ukrainian jets right from the beginning.

Man if only there was a single camera in all of the Ukraine...

Ukrainian Su-25 Fighter detected in Close Approach to MH17 before Crash: Photographic Evidence

But of course, this evidence "doesn't count" because it comes from Russia. Only evidence presented by the US and Ukraine is valid, right?

I would trust a random civilian's liveleak video of a jet firing on the plane.

Why doesn't those photos contain the plane actually getting shot down?

Where are the photos showing the plane getting shot down by BUK?

M8, your whole theory rests on the assumption that's fighter jets shot the plane down.

My whole theory is based on the fact that the rebels were pictured and videotaped operating SAM launchers in the area and had previously shot down a few military cargo planes. The phone taps from the Ukraine security services. The posts on VK by rebels that were talking about shooting down a plane on that same day (now conveniently deleted). This article in an Italian paper that interviews a rebel who admits they mistakenly shot down the plane because they thought it was a military plane with paratroopers in it.

Which stands up to scrutiny better?

If your actually interested in both sides of the story, I've done quite a bit of research on the topic and would be happy to provide links once I get on my computer.

PS, you dodged the question. Why doesn't the Russian defense ministry just release the sattelite photos of the plane getting shot down?

Your theory is based on the facts you chose to take at face value which defined a narrative pumped out by the Western/Ukrainian interest that has a stake in the race. At the same time, you turn a blind eye to the Russian side that also has a stake in the race.

I am looking at both sides equally and not turning a blind eye to either side.

I have already heard the evidence you listed, it has been shouted from the ends of the Earth by the Western media. While they were shouting it, they were also telling everybody not to listen to the Russian side.

Why doesn't the US release their satellite photos?

Why doesn't the Ukraine release the Air Traffic Controller tapes?

These are the questions you should be asking instead of proudly proclaiming that you have figured it out by using the "facts" that were fed to you (and millions of other people on the planet) by a media with a proven history of lies and manipulation.

K, so why hasn't Russia released the photos?

K, so why hasn't US released the photos?

K, so why hasn't Ukraine released the Air Traffic Control tapes?

Russia set the precedent. They have nothing to hide, so why haven't they released photos of the plane getting shot down?

Russia set the precedent.

How so?

Western media seems to have set the precedent. They immediately began claiming it was Russia. Immediately.

Literally no media has claimed was Russia. Pro-Russian separatists who may or may not have Russian backing, yes. Russia, no.

Somehow that still didnt stop the media from trying to pin fault on Putin.

Ex - fucking - actly .

Any evidence implicating Russian or the rebels would be public by now, so this silence is damning for the US administration and its Kiev puppet government.

You might have just won the gold medal in mental gymnastics.

Man, this thread was jumped on quick by the naysayers and the downvote brigade.

I think they use MH17 as a keyword.

Its amazing how quickly they can come in and ruin a thread. No actual discussion just "hurr durr, but the official story is true".

I see it too my friend.

Not really, it is common sense.

TIL logical fallacies are common sense.

Did you miss the part where the Western media started pumping out "news" the second the crash happened?

Did you miss the part where they tried so hard to present "evidence" that was completely laughable to anyone with a brain?

Did you miss the part where they vehemently said over and over again that they could prove Russia did it?

Did you miss the part where they never did?

And here we are.

But in your mind those events prove nothing.

In your mind, saying that you can present evidence for weeks and weeks and then "dropping the subject" entirely means nothing.

The Dunning-Kruger effect called...

In your mind, saying that you can present evidence for weeks and weeks and then "dropping the subject" entirely means nothing. The Dunning-Kruger effect called...

Nice comment to yourself :P

Stop hitting yourself

Stop hitting yourself

I would trust a random civilian's liveleak video of a jet firing on the plane.

Why doesn't those photos contain the plane actually getting shot down?

Where are the photos showing the plane getting shot down by BUK?