Here's a new one. Can we vote people "off the island," so to speak?
0 2014-04-02 by facereplacer2
I nominate u/AZSnakePit, someone who is clearly just spouting readily disprovable information, trying to distract, defer, and antagonize. This thread is under so much attack. Look at his history. His only interest is in shutting down discussion.
It's time for him to go.
26 comments
5 [deleted] 2014-04-02
I dunno, seems like bullying.
While you're probably right, "trying to distract, defer, and antagonize" is just a personal opinion and we all have just as much right to be here as everyone else.
-4 facereplacer2 2014-04-02
Look at his history. I'm not bullying. He is. He has no interest in "conspiracy." He just wants to be a dick.
3 [deleted] 2014-04-02
His comments seem to be more playing devil's advocate re Sandy Hook rather than trolling.
I'd say trying to start a witch hunt is bullying.
4 SpaktakJones 2014-04-02
I just read through some of his comment history, seems pretty normal. If your gonna call someone out like that you need to do it with quotes and what-not. Looks like he disagrees with the hoi poloi about Sandy Hook, big whoop.
As far as the 'sub being under attack.' Anything labeled conspiracy is going to be scrutinized. But I remember a quote by Cicero:
"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague."
Watch yourself lest you become what you fear. Your dangerously close to trying to incite some old-school commie group-think mob action, "Quick someone's different, Where's my torch?"
Simple rules, don't feed the trolls and look past the smoke.
-4 facereplacer2 2014-04-02
I normally would agree with you. Interesting comment. However, He needs to be banned. I am sick of seeing him and his dumb comments and his history suggests he doesn't even want to be here, he just wants to call people stupid and throw out red herrings. I stand by my request and think if the mods won't kick him, we should.
3 C_Hitchens_Ghost 2014-04-02
Fortunately, you are no Richard Tater.
2 SpaktakJones 2014-04-02
Just ignore him, one of my professors said something the other day that really resonated with me, "Why let a guy live rent free in your head?"
-4 facereplacer2 2014-04-02
It's not even that. I think he is brigading or bringing people in.
There's no way the vote tally should work that way in this sub. No way.
4 SpaktakJones 2014-04-02
I don't get it? -3 votes on digger and 5 for him? People like snipes, no conspiracy there. Fact of the matter may simply be he has the vox populi.
-1 facereplacer2 2014-04-02
Snopes gets things wrong all the time and this thread should naturally be suspect of it.
0 SpaktakJones 2014-04-02
Snipe not snope, as in a witty insult.
3 Balthanos 2014-04-02
It's easier to shut someone down with facts than it is to use personal attacks. That's why rule 10 exists.
If you feel that a user is "trolling" bring relevant instances to the mod teams attention. They can handle it from there.
But what you are suggesting seems to directly conflict with the rules. It sounds more like you personally attacking an individual instead of following the subs guidelines.
I'm not defending the person you are suggesting be removed. I'm only pointing out the irony in your suggestion.
-1 facereplacer2 2014-04-02
Well then, it's rule 10. I don't know why dude even comes here if he has 0 interest in discussing any of this. It's all "debunked because I said so."
-1 facereplacer2 2014-04-02
Plus, this sub is for users of this sub. The only reason u/AZSnakePit uses this sub is to tell everyone how stupid they are. I don't want him in here? Do you?
4 Balthanos 2014-04-02
Methinks this user pushed one too many of your buttons and you have made this somewhat personal. It's a lot easier to not engage with individuals who intentionally try to push your button or attempt to manipulate their opponent through emotion.
I have a feeling if the user sees this thread not only will they find that they "have won" but you will have encouraged them to continue along the same path.
Find the source of their motivation and deprive them of what they desire. This is the only real way to deal with those individuals. If it's just a single individual they will eventually tire of their antics when deprived of any response.
-3 facereplacer2 2014-04-02
It's not personal. He's brigading or something. I do not trust the tallies in the Sandy Hook thread he was trolling forever. And I think we're getting outside people, potentially on his invitation.
2 Balthanos 2014-04-02
My statement above still stands. The only way to discourage users who are argumentative is to deprive them of the argument they wish to create.
-5 facereplacer2 2014-04-02
It's the brigading. The obvious brigading and this guy is not contributing positively. This is rule 10 out of control.
2 my_newz_account 2014-04-02
Awareness is more powerful than getting rid of them. Getting rid of them would be to the same affect of using a band-aid on a stab wound.
Keep showing they are scum to the point where it is mundane and their words useless because people become aware of the situation, instead of just outing them now and those in the future had no idea he ever existed.
1 Sabremesh 2014-04-02
I agree.
This subreddit should be a place where people can discuss conspiracies without being assailed by the braying donkeys that drown out conspiracy discussions elsewhere on reddit and the web generally.
In addition to the brigading from the trained chimps at r/tard, there are half a dozen hardcore "braying donkeys" who get a kick out of disrupting conversations in /r/conspiracy , and SnakePit is undoubtedly one of them.
3 C_Hitchens_Ghost 2014-04-02
And we don't want to see the threats directed at us? We just want to remove them and carelessly forget at how much we can learn from faults exposed by others?
Noone gets the disruption we get, we're a training ground. We are willing targets just by coming here. I expect this treatment. I don't comprehend why the rest of you don't.
4 Sabremesh 2014-04-02
I'm not saying I don't expect it, I'm saying we should take steps to prevent it, and steps to remove the users if they are continually disruptive.
You may find it character-forming, but I've been here long enough to find the unrelenting waves of skepto-chimps and braying donkeys incredibly tedious.
2 C_Hitchens_Ghost 2014-04-02
I have to agree that their is some balance that must be met. We don't want to keep the crazies too far away, lest they actually get abducted and have awesome evidence. But, we also don't want 600 pages of troll bait.
It's a difficult task to resolve.
-4 facereplacer2 2014-04-02
Exactly. They have specific subs for a reason. The fact that "our" sub (and I consider it that because this is my primary reddit page) is constantly under attack and we're powerless to do anything about it is frustrating. I mean, are Steelers fans trolling the Browns fans?
We need a hero. We need RoboMod. A mod that is unafraid to shoot trolls in the dick when they try to rape a thread into submission.
Bad analogy. I had fun though :)
0 AZSnakePit 2014-04-02
LOL. Just you then.
I'm keen to hear all these cases where I am "just spouting readily disprovable information". Because you never seem to mention your counter-evidence in the many threads when I'm picking your arguments apart.
-1 Balthanos 2014-04-02
One minute one downvote.
3 [deleted] 2014-04-02
His comments seem to be more playing devil's advocate re Sandy Hook rather than trolling.
I'd say trying to start a witch hunt is bullying.