There are no terrorists.

We live in fucking backwards land. Everything right and just is demonized and the demons are held as being right and just.

That's right...except for America

He is referring to the entire entity by they're own definitions I believe.

There are plenty of terrorists, they just don't all live in the middle east and 2 foot beards. They're all over the world, including in the U.S.

I thought Obama's drone strikes were creating terrorists.

The drone strikes are the terrorists

Is that what people mean when they say the drone strikes create more terrorists?

You niggas are crazy. Even if you don't believe in al queada(lolwut) terrorism is a specificdefinition. Terrorists exist all over the world.

Thank you for bringing that to my attention. I had no idea that there was a definition for terrorism.

We can't acknowledge it because of who the actual terrorists are. They're very professional, they wear suits.

They're very professional, they wear suits.

TIL everybody who shops at Men's Warehouse is a terrorist.

I guarantee it.

And anonymous!

You are too entrenched in the official narrative. The "terrorists" haven't won; they don't even exist, not in the Arab/Muslim fanatical bomb-everyone for Allah kind of way we've been told. Terrorism is a pretext for the expensive adventures overseas, not the cause.

The point is, the terrorists were the ones calling the shots on 9/11. Cheney mainly, bush was a puppet, a patsy if you will. Terrorists were the ones denying aid to natural disasters. Terrorists are the people holding this country hostage over demands that the richest of us keep getting richer, and the poor get poorer. Only a Terrorist would say that the brave men and women returning home from fighting the wars of the rich are potential terrorist threats. A Terrorist would continually lie to the people they are supposed to be leading.

They changed the meaning of the word Terrorist, to suit whoever they want to get rid of. It doesn't take much these days to wind up on that list. Hell for me saying Terrorist so many times in one post, I'm sure I'm getting looked into. You wanna protest? TERRORIST! You want money from the government to help you survive? TERRORIST! You want to be able to choose what substance you put into your body? TERRORIST! You want to grow a vegetable garden on your own property? TERRORIST!

Just hoping you'd respond to my question.

There are no Mujahideen anywhere on the planet?

Hello?

Most likely there were no terrorists, unless by that you mean the powerful people who made 9/11 happen.

Came here to say exactly this. The only terrorist in this world is America. If you don't know that, you're sad.

I hope you are joking. The world is bigger than America.

See

Stealing the world's wealth for the benefit of the top 1% of income earners? You're right, that's not terrorism. Thats life.

But, sure. My statement was oversimplified. America isn't the sole terrorist of the world. Obviously. But, they're terrorizing the most amount of people.

The very word, "terrorism" is relative. It all depends on who is defining it. Its rooted from the french revolution and was used by the governments being overthrown. If history tells us anything, it's original meaning and connotation haven't changed and will never change.

What about Chechnya?

Hello?

I didn't know about chechnya, but I answered your question above.

Hm, kinda. The point I was trying to make is that there are armed resistance groups who plan bombings and murders all the time. Is it really unbelievable that some of them would be able to carry off a larger scale attack like 9/11?

Pahaha, buddy. 9/11 isn't what we think. You can either listen to the variety of experts and professionals or you can listen to the report from a branch of Federal govt. Take your pick. I'm not saying I know what happened that day, but why the frick did those towers fall along with tower 7 that contained tons of SEC information?

I was 8 when this happened and even to me, the towers falling was completely out of nowhere. It shouldn't have happened and if only two planes had hit the buildings then they should still be around

I thought the experts and professionals were pretty unanimous that it happened the way the story goes... The popular mechanics exposés and all. I thought this was the fringe opinion on the matter.

Also, I don't think it's a convincing argument that an 8 year old couldn't conveive of how something happened so it must be true, you know what I'm saying?

So you're telling me, these 1,600 expert architects and engineers don't know what they're talking about? They just made a 2hr documentary to ruin the validity of their careers? No big deal, it only takes like 10+ years of schooling to get to their spot. So why not ruin your career you worked so hard for... Dude, shutup. 9/11 was a demolition. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK86S-HZxTE

You know, I thought shills would just go away after being harassed enough. But it feel likes that's all I deal with all day long. Majority of people are so uninformed.

But I just presented an article from a reputable magazine that contradicts what you're saying. You reply with a YouTube video.

What 1,600 expert architects are you referring to? Can you cite them please? I don't understand where you're coming from fully, I just want a clearer picture of your position.

Well, lets see what I can figure out from this source. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearst_Corporation

Popular mechanics is apart of the Hearst corporation who is also responsible for Seventeen, Cosmopolitan, Oprah, Esquire and many other mainstream magazines and newspapers.

In fact, they even own 50% of the A&E tv networks. So popular mechanics is apart of the same corporation that released the video. So yeah.

We are both getting our info from the same base, yet there are completely polarized. This is why our society is so fucked. So much dissonance it's cray

Eugh.

Eeeuuuugghhh.

Dumb people are too dumb to understand nuance I guess. Fuck you.

I'm familiar with the "terrorists have won" meme. But I personally reject it, because it implicitly concedes that 9/11 was caused by the type of terrorists described by the official story. That, in and of itself, is a huge victory for the actual perpetrators of 9/11.

Just like Rumsfeld and Cheney wanted it.

Dang, everybody here is such a great comedian! I hope you guys get a lot more recognition, this is one of the best comedy subreddits I've ever seen!

Who really won? Nobody

The 0.00001% won.

aka terrorists

Mate, you need to spend some time not watching TV and thinking on your own. Believing the official 9/11 story is up there with believing in Santa Claus.

I'll give you just one of the hundred reasons it's ridiculous: - On 9/10 David Rumsfeld says Pentagon can't account for 2.4 trillion dollars. - On 9/11 the Budget Analysis department of Pentagon is destroyed, most of the dead people are accountants. - Same day building 7 of the WTC is destroyed, Pentagon's primary financial information backup site was in that building.

There are a thousand reasons 9/11 was shady, the 'missing trillions' are not a good hook to hang your hat on. The funds were not gone, they fell through the cracks due to poorly maintained, outdated and manual accounting systems. 90% of those discrepancies were reconciled within a year.

Right, "reconciled" after all the evidence and witnesses were gone.

And YES, there are many many many more reasons.

It's straight accounting, there are no witnesses and evidence is replicated ten different ways in twenty different places. Personally I believe that Dov played a key role in the attacks, but I don't think covering up accounting fraud was why he was hired.

Accounting of a big organization is extremely complex. Data can be replicated billions of times, but without people who understand it, it doesn't matter. E.g. the data on how to build an intelligent machine is copied a hundred trillion times in each of the 7 billion people on Earth, still no one is able to understand and use it.

Accounting of a big organization is extremely complex.

No, it really isn't. Mostly, it's just adding and subtracting.

Yeah, also programming is just ones and zeroes, brain surgery - just cut and glue.

No, not at all like that.

Real, actual adding and subtracting, just like you (presumably) learned in elementary school.

Get a bill...add to what we owe and add to cost/inventory/whatever.

Pay a bill...subtract from what we owe and subtract from cash.

That's it.

Yeah, just another idiot. Never mind the tens of thousands of pages of laws regulating corporate accounting ...

Outside of Sarbanes Oxley, there are very few laws regulating corporate accounting. We're a self-regulating profession.

Which is irrelevant anyway, because the federal government is not subject to the same rules.

says that you shouldn't believe anything people say

believes some guy who made a youtube documentary

Your best argument - someone said it on youtube, so it's not true ...

Proof?

Underwear bomber was an inside job. It was an intelligence agency that conducted the operation. Maybe they had stock in L3 and it's back-scatter scanners. Point is, the 19 year old moron they had carry out the attack was a "patsy" in every sense of the word.

Honestly, we recognize that "insider trading" is a real thing. The fact is, that the government didn't have to create 9/11 to benefit from it. They just had to see it happening before it did and figure out a way to gain from it.

Google: Susan Lindauer and Richard Fuisz

Underwear bomber was an inside job.

Well, of course, because if he wore his underwear on the outside, that would be kind of obvious.

I had 7 up votes and now I am downvote brigaded. Look up the Detroit lawyer who ran for congress and read his statement (not accepted as evidence) in regards to what he witnessed. His name is Kurt Haskell.

stop this "9/11 inside job" crap

Absolutely not.

Anyway, it wasn't even a pure "inside job" since Mossad was so intimately involved. I prefer the term "false flag."

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And the hundreds of thousands of people who witnessed the planes hitting live, and in person, are what, exactly? All government agents?

Crisis actors of course!

Stop it. You're not helping.

The U.S military industrial complex made up the "terrorists" to justify the excessive amount of money the tax payer has to feed them annually. Also to help the pro war polices being drafted out of Washington that in turn goes full circle helping the war mongering fascists spend your tax $.

To say the terrorists won means you have to first acknowledge they attacked us. Good luck getting anyone around this place to say so.

I don't know who won but Halliburton sure can't be upset with the outcome, billions in no bid government contracts to rebuild Iraq. Personally signed off on by their former CEO Dick Cheney/Vice President/Heartless Devil-Goat human hybrid creature.

watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGo1DqmfHjY

fighting a shadow you can only win so much...

"the terrorists actually won and we can't even acknowledge it?"

Certainly no acknowledgement here.

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I dunno if I agree about the Ron Paul bit but sort yourself out /r/conspiracy if a well know anti semetic is posting the most intelligent response on the thread!

You can look at this two ways. One is to see that OBL set out to bankrupt the US via asymmetric warfare, and that GWB stupidly obliged him. The other is to see that OBL was a CIA asset, that 9/11 was presaged on Federal Reserve Notes and in popular television, that the WTC was demolished, and that the implosion of the US economy has been engineered.

Yes. The first one is what happened; the second is a magical fantasy land where mentally ill people on the internet have "figured it all out."

TIL the mentally ill on the internet are more important to focus on than the mentally ill running the 'free' world.

Did I say that? No.

But since you brought it up, no, it's not more important. But making idiotic claims about 9/11 being "an inside job" genuinely harms the ability of small government and liberty advocates to accomplish anything, because we get unfortunately and unfairly lumped in with such stupid claims.

genuinely harms the ability of small government and liberty advocates to accomplish anything

To be fair, I see you guys getting in your own way more than anyone else. When you're not overtly navelgazing and too busy telling everyone else about how they're doing it wrong.

It's like Bruce Springsteen. The music is good, but the fanclub leaves a lot to be desired.

Who won the war on terror?

Who won the won the 2012 elections?

Who won the drug war?

The Federal Reserve

What is the terrorists' objective?

Officially, it is to convert all persons to Islamic fundamentalism through the use of force. I like the Koran, and I like Muslims, but I have not been converted to Islamic Fundamentalism, and never will be. I am also not afraid, and I do believe that I am serving Allah, if Allah is truly the single God of all the universe, by reacting with tolerance towards all people, not hate.

If the terrorists' objective was to spread Islam, it didn't work. If it was to kill infidels, it may have technically worked, but at such an extraordinary cost to those who believe in Fundamentalist Islam and Islam in general that it could not be the reason.

If anyone did plan the attacks, and understand what the effects would be, their objectives would have been:

-Create a massive surge of negative emotion through a world-wide visible ritual of death.

-Turn brother against brother to cause more death, destruction, and killing worldwide.

-Facilitate approval towards those in power who disapproved of the terrorist act.

TL;DR If the terrorists wanted to spread Islam, they failed. If some higher power wanted to cause massive fear, destruction, death, and centralize power, they succeeded.

Why would terrorists give two shits about privacy rights in the USA?

They don't. These "terrorists" who we are fighting against in the Middle East are more worried about getting electricity. Most of the people we are actively engaging are still living in the stone age. Fuck, when we got over there they thought we were Russians in some villages. They are so out of touch that they didn't know the Soviets left.

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Well, after the White House was burned down, there was a 100 year ceasefire until the Federal Reserve Act.

Since our American government is the terrorist, once you look at the man behind the curtain, it is of no surprise. It was their intent to win from the beginning. The only thing left to ponder over is what happens next. This has been happening for 60-70+ years. I fear it will only be more and more grim. Fortunately most people are ignorant to these issues and get to live a life of blissful materialism. Critical mass is approaching though, you can bet on that. Somewhere down the road, some event will start a shitstorm. It's not guessing as much as viewing facts. Every empire before has collapsed, with some calamity. History will not exclude us.

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The terrorists we see on tv were created by the occult secret societies. It's why you see a lot of loony society type organizations associated with occult secret societies.

such as?

It's straight accounting, there are no witnesses and evidence is replicated ten different ways in twenty different places. Personally I believe that Dov played a key role in the attacks, but I don't think covering up accounting fraud was why he was hired.

Underwear bomber was an inside job.

Well, of course, because if he wore his underwear on the outside, that would be kind of obvious.

Stealing the world's wealth for the benefit of the top 1% of income earners? You're right, that's not terrorism. Thats life.

But, sure. My statement was oversimplified. America isn't the sole terrorist of the world. Obviously. But, they're terrorizing the most amount of people.

The very word, "terrorism" is relative. It all depends on who is defining it. Its rooted from the french revolution and was used by the governments being overthrown. If history tells us anything, it's original meaning and connotation haven't changed and will never change.

Hm, kinda. The point I was trying to make is that there are armed resistance groups who plan bombings and murders all the time. Is it really unbelievable that some of them would be able to carry off a larger scale attack like 9/11?